Sunday! “Germinal” by Émile Zola

Rufus F.

Rufus is a likeable curmudgeon. He has a PhD in History, sang for a decade in a punk band, and recently moved to NYC after nearly two decades in Canada. He wrote the book "The Paris Bureau" from Dio Press (2021).

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18 Responses

  1. LeeEsq says:

    Emile Zola’s style of near journalistic realism is really out of style these days. The authors that go for the very lush descriptions tend to be genre writers because part of the point is to give readers a sense of adventure and wonder as they explore a new world. With the growing acceptance of graphic novels, illustrations can do that better than words. Literary writers want to focus more on very personal stories rather than grand social themes with a few exceptions. I’m reading the Book of Jacob slowly and because it is set in the past, it has to go for the journalistic realism that Zola used to capture.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to LeeEsq says:

      One of the thngs he does really well that is extremely hard to pull off is having these huge casts of characters who are all fairly different from one another, but all really believable. Writers get encouraged to write what they know, which means most of us write about ourselves, but he’s really good at depicting huge cross-sections of society in almost microscopic detail.Report

  2. LeeEsq says:

    The big mistake of Marx and other Communists wasn’t necessarily failing to understand capitalisms adaptability, but they also made that mistake but not understanding who their real enemies were. For all their railing against the bourgeoise and capitalists, Marxism was more popular as a political movement in areas where the traditional aristocracy was alive and kicking. This is because it is a lot easier to stir up class hatred against Lord and Lady Fuzzybottom who believe you owe them a life of luxury because of their hereditary superiority than business people that make cool stuff for you to buy. It also explains why Marxism was popular in the imperial colonies of the European nations since Europeans justified on their belief that being white made them hereditarily superior to everybody else.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to LeeEsq says:

      I think it is really significant that places like Russia that were still fairly feudal went Communist without any ‘intermediate phase’ of capitalism, and I definitely think most people are not opposed to, say, Steve Jobs in the way Marx would have expected. But, when I read Marx, I’m really struck that even something like miniumum wage laws would probably thwart what he saw coming, and he didn’t foresee the possibility. On the other hand, most of the things workers won that we take for granted they did through struggle, so he was right there.Report

      • InMD in reply to Rufus F. says:

        I think this is it in a nutshell.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

        Marx and other socialists definitely didn’t see well-regulated capitalism or even partially regulated capitalism earlier. They also didn’t believe that living standards would rise under capitalism. Edward Bernstein was considered an apostate when he showed that living standards were rising under capitalism and socialism needed to adjust itself to reflect that.Report

  3. InMD says:

    I’ve never tried the book but I saw the movie version from the early 90’s with Gerard Depardieu. It’s been years since I watched it but maybe I’ll see if I can stream it to see how it holds up.

    My rule on the politics in art issue is that it’s fine to do it, but please be artful about it, lest you insult everyone’s intelligence.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to InMD says:

      I forgot about that movie, which I haven’t seen. I think there might have been a miniseries version fairly recently. It has a surprising about of sex and violence and nudity, which makes it surprising there hasn’t been an HBO series yet.Report

      • InMD in reply to Rufus F. says:

        It certainly sounds like it checks all of the boxes!Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

        People want the fantasy of the 19th century with beautiful upper class people in elegant clothing and fancy surroundings or tough badass people in the American West or other frontier zone. They don’t want the reality of 19th century working class life in a French coal town even if there is plenty of sex and violence.Report

        • InMD in reply to LeeEsq says:

          Dude do you have any idea how much I would kill for such a thing to be given the budget of whatever the next MCU travesty is? Just as like a social and economic experiment?Report

          • LeeEsq in reply to InMD says:

            I’d like to see that to but I don’t know if I’d kill for it. I suspect we might be weirdos this way. I’d even be satisfied if Hollywood made fun for adult movies like the Seven Percent Solution or the Great Train Robbery like they did in the 1970s and 80s more today.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    “Contemportary art hardly ever asks these questions any more, which is why we look to older works of fiction from a time when capitalism was in its infancy. Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the Twenty-First Century recommends Marx’s Kapital and Zola’s Germinal. It strikes me that Marx’s big mistake was his failure to understand how adaptable capitalism would prove to be, how it changes to survive. Still, the sections of Kapital dealing with what it was actually like to work in those mills remain powerful literature. Germinal by Émile Zola, meanwhile, is a sort of fever dream of hell on earth that still hits hard, even if you’ve never set foot in a coal mine.”

    Counterpoints: Parasite, Shoplifters, Squid Game, Nomadland, etc are all about this in one way or anotherReport