Wednesday Writs: DNA, Databases, & Incriminating Sexual Assault Victims
WW 1: “Why didn’t they report it?” say the skeptics when a person is finally brave enough to disclose they were raped, sometimes years later. And there is a very long list of “whys”. Because they might not be believed. Because they fear retaliation. Because they are scared to face their rapist. Because they can’t stand the thought of being touched and intimately examined after what their bodies have gone through. Because they don’t want to go through the rigors of a trial. Because they want to forget it and move on. Because their DNA might be put into a database and used to charge them with a crime someday.
What?
Yes, this is apparently a thing that is happening in San Francisco, and who knows where else:
San Francisco’s district attorney said Monday that police used a database with DNA collected from victims of rape and sexual assault to connect some of them to crimes.
Dist. Atty. Chesa Boudin said the San Francisco Police Department crime lab had been using the database to “attempt to subsequently incriminate” victims of rape and sexual assault, a practice he called “legally and ethically wrong.”
To be transparent, as a person with an interest in true crime, watching the perpetrators of decades-old murders fall like dominos at the hands of DNA technology is very satisfying. I’ve written about this multiple times here at Ordinary Times, and fully admit that I love to imagine these most heinous perpetrators, elderly now and long having believed they’d gotten away with it, sitting in their homes shaking in fear, awaiting The Knock at the door.
Just this week, Pennsylvania State Police announced they’d solved the murder of 10-year-old Marise Chivarella, raped and strangled nearly 60 years ago. The perpetrator died over 40 years ago and unfortunately won’t get his earthly justice, but Marise’s surviving siblings take some solace in knowing the truth.
However, with the use of DNA comes controversy and ethical questions, especially when the criminal themselves has not volunteered a sample to the databases used by law enforcement (such as when familial DNA is used, as in the Chivarella case and, more famously, the Golden State Killer.) Many people question the constitutionality and the real privacy concerns raised, while others think it is fair game and worth the cost if it identifies society’s monsters.
No matter where you fall in that debate, this practice by police in San Francisco should anger you. Maybe you think, “nah, it’s fine; just don’t do crimes.” But consider that mere presence of one’s DNA at a crime scene is not definitive proof of culpability. You leave pieces of yourself everywhere you go; do you want to go to jail for burglary because your hair was found at a place you visited that was subsequently burgled? Note that not every crime in which DNA is used is as serious as murder or rape; the woman in the San Francisco story was implicated in a property crime.
If you really want rapists off the streets, you should want to make reporting their crimes a victim-friendly process. It is difficult to ease the psychological trauma the process will have on a victim, no matter how sensitive the system may try to be. But assuring them that their cooperation will not later result in their own prosecution seems to be a fair concession. Federal law already prohibits entering victim DNA into CODIS (Combined DNA Index System), the database used for identifying suspects in criminal cases. But local jurisdictions like San Francisco can keep their own databases, to which the federal law does not apply. Nothing stops them from entering any and all DNA they obtain into their systems “just in case”. Like so many other issues, this one must be tackled at a local level.
WW 2: Pending at the Florida Supreme Court is the applicability of the state’s version of Marsy’s Law, a codified set of victim’s rights, to police officers in excessive force cases. “Marsy’s Law” protects an alleged victim’s identity. In Florida, two police officers involved in fatal shootings claim they were victims of aggravated assault and as such, their identities cannot be released to the public. The officers sued the City of Tallahassee and lost but an appellate court found in the officer’s favor. This week, the Volusia County Sheriff received permission to file an amicus brief, in which he will argue on the side of disclosure, citing the need for transparency and avoiding further erosion of public trust. Pinellas County’s sheriff made a similar announcement last week.
WW 3: Gun manufacturer Remington will pay $73 million to families of 9 Sandy Hook shooting victims in a settlement announced this week, just over 9 years after the tragedy:
In their lawsuit against Remington, which has since filed for bankruptcy, families of the victims argued that the gun maker irresponsibly marketed the weapon to at-risk young men such as the Sandy Hook shooter through product placement in violent video games.
The company denies liability and made no comment about the settlement.
WW 4: “Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights. Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks,” reads the statement of the Duke of York on the announcement of a settlement of the lawsuit filed against him by child sex trafficking victim Virginia Giuffre. The settlement for an undisclosed amount comes after Prince Andrew’s attempts to have the lawsuit dismissed failed.
WW 5: UC Berkeley may have to reduce the number of new enrollees it planned to admit – freshmen and transfers – by thousands this fall as a result of a court ordered freeze on the University’s efforts to expand. The court ordered the enrollment freeze as part of a lawsuit by community members who oppose the “environmental impact” of the school’s growing footprint, citing a housing crisis in the area. Many prospective freshmen received letters like this:
Students across the nation and world are receiving these letters this morning. pic.twitter.com/Qi5nLSWr7h
— 🏳️🌈 Lori Droste (@loridroste) February 15, 2022
WW 6: As jurors deliberated in Sarah Palin’s defamation case against the New York Times, the trial judge made a surprising and rare move: he announced his belief that Palin had not proven any malice on behalf of the Times and that he would dismiss the case, even if the jury found in Palin’s favor. This is called a “judgment notwithstanding the verdict” (or JNOV, as we lawyers call it, for the Latin “judgment non obstante veredicto”.) So why bother letting the jurors continue to deliberate? To make a fuller record for the inevitable appeal. If the jury found in Palin’s favor, and the Court’s decision to dismiss the case is subsequently overturned by an appellate court, the jury’s verdict could be reinstated and remove the necessity for a new trial. And if the jury found in favor of the Times, an appeal would be much harder for Palin in light of the verdict. As it turned out, the jury agreed with the judge, finding the Times not liable.
WW 7: In 1997, Brandon Jackson was convicted of armed robbery in Louisiana by a non-unanimous jury. The use of a non-unanimous jury was a holdover from the Jim Crowe era, designed to minimize the voices of black jurors. It worked as designed when the only two black jurors on Jackson’s case voted to acquit but were overruled. He was released last week after 25 years, but only by the grace of the parole board. Non-unanimous juries were ruled unconstitutional in 2020, but the change was not retroactive.
WW 8: 230 people claim that Hertz rental car company had them falsely arrested for theft of rental cars when they fail to find their cars in their lots or due to errors in their computer systems. Facing a lawsuit, the company has tried to hide the exact number of customers it has reported for theft, but a court has ruled they must disclose this information.
The Berkeley people are gonna offer on-line admission in place of the real deal, right? Because thats the same…and *Berkeley.*
::eyeroll::
Chickens come home to roost.Report
dunno about no chickens or nuttin, but stuff like this or payment in lieu of taxes (PILOT) arrangements are typical in densely-populated areas with expanding higher ed institutions. sometimes it’s a reasonable deal for offsetting costs (generally, but not always, future costs) to municipalities and taxpayers, the reasoning going that non-profit entities have lower tax bases by dint of what they pay to localities – like non-academic use building taxes, usage fees, permits, muni bonds, and so on – and therefore need to offset it with a per-head fee.
that said, i’ve been a part of hilarious pilot-style attempts in non-urban areas and that was basically the saddest set of extortion-via-the-keystone-cops meetings i’ve ever been a part of. protip for municipalities great and small – if you’re going to claim the institution costs you extra in fire and police activity (not future potential costs, mind you), you should probably keep records of things like fire and police calls to the institution, rather than just throwing your hands up and yelling gimme gimme. (also pretty sure that’s a violation of state law, or some law somewhere, but that’s neither here nor there.)Report
WW8: What a nightmare! The fact that it reached the triple digits should result in multiple firings.
I mean, sure, you have one car reported as stolen because it’s parked in E3 instead of E8 and that’s something that could happen to anybody.
Somewhere around 7 or 8 mistakes that result in police incidents in this short timeframe should have had a direct report to the President of Hertz making a direct report to the President of Hertz.
230?!?!?!?Report
What percentage of Actually Stolen Cars is that 230?
On the one hand, you’re not wrong, instead of “230” it should have been “0”.
On the other hand, I can see how someone with a lot to do and not much time might tell themselves that their job was to deal with theft of company property, not to keep customers happy, and that if they’d kept their rental papers (“which they were supposed to do anyway,” this person thinks) then they wouldn’t have anything to worry about. Rather a more utilitarian view, more so than we’d like people to take for things involving criminal-law enforcement, but I can see how someone would get there without being a sniggeringly-evil Captain Planet villain.Report
Given that 230 people apparently had sufficient standing to be part of the lawsuit, I’m guessing it is 0.
Maybe it’s one. Maybe. But these are people who are part of the lawsuit itself. The number of customers reported for theft is what Hertz was fighting to be sealed.
If *THAT* number is 231, we’ve got ourselves a situation.
But I don’t know what the number actually is. We should wait for the Avis commercials to find out, I guess.Report
Corporations are well known for shooting the messenger, backing over the corpse and then burying it in the Meadowlands . . . this is not really any different then any other “they should have known better” thing for any corporation in the last 20 years or so.Report
It seems to me that this is one of those “should have known better” incidents that will result in a hit in the ledger.
Which makes it *SIGNIFICANTLY* different than killing a few ecosystems.Report
I wasn’t arrested, but I did once get a call from the cops after I’d dropped a car off with Enterprise while they were really busy, and therefore didn’t stick around for a receipt. The person I gave the keys too must not have put them where “returned” keys go, and they never bothered to look to see if the car was on the lot, so after a few days, they reported it stolen. I imagine this happens not often, but frequently enough that rental car companies must be aware of it, and the bad part here is that they went straight to arresting their customers.Report
From the article:
Sometimes the problem arises after a renter changes cars or extends the rental period.
This is even worse than I thought! I mean, like, the situation that you had happen was unfortunate but, like, I understand how it could happen (and, without pointing fingers, what could have been done to avoid it). I mean, I’m not saying that it was *GOOD*, but just that, hey, I have seen multiple instances of friction result in stuff like that and, as such, yeah. I can see how that ended up happening.
And Hertz arguing that they can’t make the internal info public because competitors might use that against them?!?!?!? YES!
I mean, it’d take a pretty stupid company to run a commercial that says “if we can’t find the car you rented from us, we won’t call the cops!” but I’m sure that a decent copywriter could come up with something that would dissuade Hertz from doing this again in the future to a degree that, apparently, being found liable in a court of law failed to do.
Jeez louise.Report
The number of times it happened is what’s truly amazing. After a few incidents, you’d expect someone to say, “You know what, something seems to be wrong with our system; we keep reporting cars stolen and then finding them right where they were supposed to be in our lot.” And you know, maybe some low-level worker did, and their manager, or their manager’s manager, realized that it was going to look bad, and didn’t say anything, to the tune of 230 people arrested and many millions in a legal settlement.Report
FWIW, that’s a common practice at Hertz. Cars will be returned, they can’t find it, and they report it stolen. Because it’s easier for the cops to find it (usually in the hands of whomever they CURRENTLY have rented it to, or parked in one of their drop-off lots) than for them to locate their own mistake and figure out which office their car is at, and if it’s currently rented out.
They also have a fun practice in which they overbook cars, and when you show up for it — they tell you they’re out, but you can rent from another location (generally an airport lot) for…considerably more. Because desperate people will have rented a car for 10 days for 500 bucks and, when stranded in a strange city, will sometimes pay 2000 for that exact same car.
In short: Don’t do business with Hertz. They’re worse than the norm.Report
Yeah, that’s what the story is about.
I will say that everyone I’ve rented with overbooks, because they have an average rate of cancellations/no-shows, combined with people not returning cars on time, so I’d say about 1/3 of the times I rented cars from various companies (I used to be carless in a state with no interurban public transit to speak of, so I rented fairly often), the type of car I’d rented was completely out, and I’d either get a free upgrade to a better type they did have, or be offered a smaller option at the lower price (once I had to drive a little Fiat from Austin to the middle-of-nowhere; that was an adventure). Occasionally I’d have to wait an hour or more for a car to be returned so that I could take it. That’s definitely the default car rental business model.Report
Herz had 25 million cars rented last year.
So one out of 100,000
For perspective, 3500 were reported to the cops as stolen.
So for the VP who deals with this sort of thing, 230 is 6 or 7 percent of that.
Hertz has approximately 12,000 corporate and franchisee locations. So the typical location would zero incidences of this per year.Report
“We only reported 0.014% of our customers who did nothing wrong to the police!” is not a good ad.
Maybe Avis could do an ad that says “out of all of the customers we had that returned our cars to us, we reported a grand total of ZERO! to the cops.”
(cut to police beating a black guy on the ground)
(guy yelling)
“THAT HURTS! HERTZ! HERTZ!”
(cut back to the Avis guy)
“We’re number two. So we try harder.”Report
I wonder what the real number is. Like, bloody fingerprints? A bag of cocaine fallen under the seat? A car returned with a ding on the bumper and washed by the renter, with a report of a hit-and-run in the neighborhood?Report
You’d think that that would be something that they’d want out there.
“Yes, we called the police on Mr. Smith. There was a dufflebag in the trunk that was leaking blood. When we called the police, they opened the bag, they told us that they found three arms in said duffle bag. Three *LEFT* arms.”Report
Worth noting in the context of WWI that, while it would be an exaggeration to say that it was the original source of the contemporary abolition movement, the flame of that movement was carried for many years, prior to BLM and increased public consciousness of police killings, mostly by survivors of domestic and sexual violence, and their advocates, also mostly women (e.g., Mariame Kaba and Angela Davis), in no small part in response to cops’ tendency to criminalize the women victims of such violence. Therefore being skeptical of the collection of DNA by an institution that not only distrusts you, but often actively attempts to incriminate you, seems pretty reasonable to me, and means cops are putting yet another barrier between the victims of sexual and domestic violence and justice.Report
RE: WW1
Every person added to the database gives us more information about them and everyone else. So me adding my DNA in there tells the cops about my brothers and cousins. Some of my cousins are members of a sub-culture known for problems.
That is the nature of the technology.
So yes, from an informational standpoint I can easily see the cops adding everyone they can to that database. Victim, criminal, normal, whatever. I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually make it a condition of employment.Report
Think the cops’ info will be in the database?Report
I think eventually everyone’s will be. We’ll be DNA’ed at birth or something.
After we get used to it and change our expectations, this is a massive tool that is mostly going to be used for good. All rapists will be caught. Babies won’t be mixed up in the hospital. A lot of the cop’s jobs for identifying people will just be magically done.
This is mostly good news but it will also bring up some pain points.Report
In a country that can’t stand to issue a national ID card?Report
As of three years ago, roughly 26 million people had willingly shared their DNA.
That number is only going up and the current generation is the most sensitive about privacy because we grew up with it. In the future it will be less scary.
We already have the technology to find people via relatives, so me sharing mine says a lot about my children and even their children.
There will be hold outs for a generation. It won’t make a difference because after enough relatives do it everyone will know about them anyway.
In the future everyone will be (or effectively will be) in a single massive DNA database.Report
Does anyone remember getting fingerprinted by the police as a kid so that if you were ever kidnapped they could identify you? Whatever came of that? And how does this differ?Report
Fingerprints are not static, they change over time. If you got finger printed 5 years ago, chances are pretty good your fingerprints have changed enough to fail on a partial match.Report
It’s different because of permanence (your DNA never changes), ease of digital storage, accuracy, usefulness, ease of evaluation, and odds that you’ll leave enough information to be evaluated.
So it’s fingerprints on really good steroids in multiple ways.
It gives so much information that it even identifies your relatives.Report
After we get used to it and change our expectations, [a universal national ID card] is a massive tool that is mostly going to be used for good.
After we get used to it and change our expectations, [in vitro genetic editing of human embryos] is a massive tool that is mostly going to be used for good.
After we get used to it and change our expectations, [governance by AI algorithms instead of participatory democracy] is a massive tool that is mostly going to be used for good.
After we get used to it and change our expectations, [anything can be] a massive tool that is mostly going to be used for good.
But will it? This is why we have science fiction, so that we can think about what the implications and possible dark sides of new technologies might be, and prepare to mitigate them. And we have to do that with today’s morals and today’s expectations.
I join the OP (that is to say, @darkmatter) in predicting this [universal DNA databasing] will mostly come true. Whether that’s a good thing or not depends on what you think.of life in the Panopticon.Report
Yep.
What we see in authoritarian regimes is how information becomes a two way mirror where the citizen is transparent while the regime is opaque.Report
WW5: This whole debacle is NIMBYism at its worse. As a YIMBY, it also makes me depressed about the sheer unrelenting power, force, and imagination of the NIMBYs. The big issue sociologically speaking is that NIMBYs are a vast baptist-bootlegger coalition and this diversity gives them strength and shields. You have:
1. People who just want to keep housing stock low because it keeps their housing prices high. Obvious bootleggers;
2. People stuck with old politics. There was a time when it was probably good to stick to developers who were just tearing everything down. A lot of these people are now in their 70s and even 80s but can’t seem to give up their old worldviews;
3. People of various ages, races, and ethnicities, but generally low-income levels who may be temporarily displaced by development and gentrification or fear that they will. This is the baptist shield.
Group #1’s interest are easy to identify and venal and should be ignored and dismissed. Group # 3 is tough to deal with because I have tried many times to explain that they are only shooting themselves in their own feet with their anti-development and anti-building stance but to no avail. They don’t see that there is a lot of demand and a huge supply backlog and that yes, yuppie gentrification buildings. Blocking buildings will only lead to more displacement.Report
I thought you rented. Doesn’t that make you a YIYBY?Report
I bought a condo in 2019. Renters have backyards in their cities too.Report
Oh good! Homeownership is a great investment. I’m sure that when/if you finally move out, you’ll be able to pay cash for your new place.Report
WWI: Seems to me that Ubiquitous Data necessitates an important updating of the 4th Amendment via a case something like this. What constitutes security in persons, papers and effects vs. untargeted searches and seizures?
Trolling some data sources might(?) be ok, but we need various levels or rings/fences around data absent probable cause.
Honestly, the ‘back-door’ for law enforcement as DM notes above is probably freely given genetic information from relatives. At which point, probable cause to search the victim database might over-ride any thing else. Nonetheless, probably better than just searching for matches in data that ought to be considered protected effects.Report
You could do a fence of “You can only troll the DNA DBs for cases of violence against persons and only after the case has gone cold for at least 5 years.”Report
I think its a separate issue of keeping the DNA that is provided as a victim completely separate from DNA DB’s in the aggregate.
Theoretically that data would be available under probable cause, but not just ’cause its there in digital form.
Honestly, I’m not 100% sure that DNA trolling by law enforcement is a good idea in the same way I’m not sure advanced surveillance and digital analysis of the entire citizenry isn’t an apriori violation of the 4th.
Where are all my liberals and living constitution folks who see that emerging technology is making questions of ‘privacy’ and ‘security’ in person and effects relevant in ways where the framers had no earthly notion such things could even be dreamed of. The fact that the Govt is moving into these spaces un-opposed… or even cheered… has to be addressed earlier rather than later? No?
And as of now I think we’re closer to later than earlier.Report
There isn’t going to be a constitutional solution. It needs to be statutory and I think is only likely to happen as part of or in reaction to a voter referendum, if at all. The government, particularly at the state level is slowly developing an appetite to regulate data captured in the private sector. You see less willingness to do it when it could result in restricting state agents.
Part of the problem is how fickle the public is. No one wants victims to be abused but neither does anyone want someone who does something serious walking out of police custody. The headlines write themselves.
Unbeknownst to many it’s been common practice for years now for police departments to ‘swab’ anyone who is arrested for any offense as part of the booking process. Sometimes it’s helpful. When I was interning with a circuit court judge in law school I saw a guy who was caught and convicted for a 15+ year old cold rape case as a result of literally trolling the database. I’m comfortable saying he almost certainly would have never been caught but for this process.
At the same time you’re letting a bunch of state agents who aren’t always particularly competent or operating under remotely sensible incentives build something with enormous potential for abuse.
But let’s also be realistic. If we restrict what what SF is doing, one day, a situation will arise where a woman who killed someone or did something else heinous will walk in and out of a police station without being arrested. If it is discovered the victim and/or their relatives will ask emotionally resonant questions about ‘how this could have been allowed.’
So all of that is to say we have to pick our poison. There will never he a policy without outcomes that pull on the heart strings.Report
Sure, legislation would be lovely.
I’m not sure that there’s *no* situation in which the Courts (eventually) step in and decide that Govt. surveillance has exceeded the Constitutional protections afforded by the 4th. But I wouldn’t hazard a guess as to whether I think it probable or even likely.
I work in the Data space and while all of my customers are using their data for good (Hey, we know what kind of Cheese InMD likes, so we’ll put some in his room next time he visits!) But then I also see how much and what kind of data we’re getting and, um, it’s a lot more than cheese preferences. And my customers don’t really have an angle on whether you ought to be at liberty or not. At least not yet, not until there are new monetary advantages to selling that information to people who might.
Is that happening already? From what I’ve heard, yes.Report
We’re still adapting to big data, i.e. computer databases and neuro nets.
Target put together a way to use product purchase habits to tell when a woman is pregnant before she’s announced that to anyone.
That’s a big deal from an advertising point of view. Most people have pretty fixed purchasing habits. What you buy this week will be very similar to what you buy last week.
There are key points in your life when purchasing habits become fluid and you become a lot more receptive to advertising before your habits become fixed again. Pregnancy is a big key point. Knowing that fact before the other advertisers is a massive advantage.
Of course this is intrusive and people hate that, so the solution is to next your discount coupons for baby stuff with discount coupons for chain saw blades and tires so the whole thing looks random.Report
WW5: Joining my brother on this. Housing is really getting ridiculously expensive. The only way to bring things under control is a massive building program. The NIMBYs, especially the wealthy and influential powerful ones, are going to use every tool available to stop this.Report
This one got tweeted out a little bit earlier.
Gotta say: If you don’t have antibodies against this sort of thing, it can really do a number on ya.Report
Seems important to note that it only takes one person to trigger an appeal. This particular person seems to be a bit of a dunderhead based on the linked interview.
A process that allows for a single individual to appeal and thus delay a project seems flawed and rife for abuse. Maybe that is a bug, maybe a feature. Hard to know as I’m not clued into the local politics.
They should build. And build and build. But not just because Berkeley wants to add seats. If all the new residences go to undergrads, that doesn’t do much to alleviate the broader issue.Report
much like the Blue Slip procedure in the Senate.Report
And the Soup Nazi episode of Seinfeld.Report
My alma mater has a benefactor who has a solution. It’s just an astonishingly dystopian one, is the problem.Report
Speaking of DNA collection conspiracy theories…
Seriously, I would have sworn that this was nuts a couple of days ago.Report
WW6: I have appeared before Judge Rakoff and participated in a NYC Bar Association musical comedy roast of him, which, being the ego junkie he is, he loved. He always thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. Trouble is, that’s true only 98.4% of the time.
That said, if he thought the evidence would support a JNOV, I’d be inclined to take his assessment unless I sat through the testimony myself and had a reason to see it differently.
But he seems to have outsmarted himself this time. He obviously expects, probably correctly, an appeal that would tee up a Supreme Court case that, if successful, would change the legal standard he and the Court of Appeals are currently bound to apply. He wanted the jury’s verdict in the record to avoid the one thing judges hate most, a retrial. If the jury found in Palin’s favor, it might be possible simply to reinstate the verdict. Now he has screwed that up.
Normally, at the close of the evidence, the defendant moves for judgment as a matter of law (“JMOL”), which is determined using the same standard as a JNOV motion. In all but the clearest cases, the ordinary hack judge (I mean no criticism; I usually prefer ordinary hack judges.) will reserve decision on the JMOL motion in the hope that the jury will come out “right” and bail him out. If the jury comes out “wrong,” the ordinary hack judge will then bite the bullet and grant a JNOV motion, but he would prefer to avoid the necessity. And if the ordinary hack judge is wrong in granting a JNOV motion, there’s a jury verdict that can simply be reinstated, avoiding the dreaded retrial. Sometimes, the ordinary hack judge will tell the lawyers which way he is leaning, possibly to induce a settlement.
Judge Rakoff, however, said outright that he was going to grant the JMOL motion while letting the jury issue a verdict. That is unusual, and, as it proved, unwise. Perhaps he figured that the jury would come out “right” anyway, so it wouldn’t matter whether he was right to grant the JMOL motion. But somehow it came to the jurors’ attention that the judge had decided that the case was meritless, so there’s a good chance that the verdict for the Times was tainted. If the JMOL grant was correct, no harm, no foul. The jury’s verdict, whatever it had been, would be irrelevant. But now, if the JMOL is reversed, it will probably not be possible to fall back on the jury’s verdict, which would otherwise sustain the outcome. There will have to be a retrial after all.
If Judge Rakoff had just done what the ordinary hack judge would have done, none of this would have happened. What was he thinking?Report