Going to the Dogs Over Anthony Fauci

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. Jaybird says:

    Well, you can’t make an omelet.

    In any case, Fauci has admitted at least once to lying in order to serve the greater good. While I’ve got no problem with lying for the greater good, it comes with a cost of me not knowing whether to trust what he’s saying right now. Is he saying it because it is true? Is it saying it because it serves the greater good? I don’t know.

    Maybe that’s not a problem. “You don’t have to know why, just do what you’re told!” is one of those things I grew up with, after all.

    But I absolutely understand why people don’t trust him after he admitted lying. I guess I understand why people still trust him to be serving the greater good. But I kinda think that the greater good would be best served by him stepping aside and disappearing again. And he’s not doing that.Report

    • Damon in reply to Jaybird says:

      “While I’ve got no problem with lying for the greater good”

      Well, I do. Cause in my industry, which doesn’t impact the health of millions of people, there’s a federal law that prohibits lying to the gov’t. That law flows down to company policies too, so employees tell the truth. if we are less than 100% certain, and we most always are, we couch our words in non absolutes, using phrases like “our current understanding of the situation is…” and such.

      Fauci could have said something similar, in fact, most medical professionals I’ve every run into are very much NOT making comments of 100% certainty, so “f” Fauci for lying. I’ll never trust a word out of his month again. He had the option to speak with more ambiguity, he choose not to.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Damon says:

        (they already had myocarditis, people are only finding it because they’re screening apparently-healthy patients.)Report

      • Philip H in reply to Damon says:

        Say it with me – correlation (two things occurring together) doesn’t imply causation.

        You know what’s MORE likely then COVID-induced myocarditis ( if the 1 in 100,000 figure below is correct)?

        Being struck by lightening in a lifetime spanning 80 years – 1 in 15,300
        Finding a 4 leaf clover – 1 in 10,000
        Getting audited by the IRS – 1 in 220
        Getting food poisoning – 1 in 6
        Dying in a car crash – 1 in 107
        Dying in a hurricane – 1 in 62,288
        Your home burning down – 1 in 3000
        Being killed by falling furniture – 1 in 5,508
        Dying by bee stings – 1 in 59,507
        Chance of dying in a mass shooting – 1 in 11,125

        Perspective is a beautiful thing . . . as are probability and statistics.

        Some vaccines are associated with myocarditis,5 including mRNA vaccines,1-4 and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently reported a possible association between COVID-19 mRNA vaccines and myocarditis, primarily in younger male individuals within a few days after the second vaccination, at an incidence of about 4.8 cases per 1 million.6

        Twenty individuals had vaccine-related myocarditis (1.0 [95% CI, 0.61-1.54] per 100 000) and 37 had pericarditis (1.8 [95% CI, 1.30-2.55] per 100 000).

        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900Report

      • JS in reply to Damon says:

        “s it stands, the number of young men they are permanently maiming is large (see the myocarditis stats)”

        One, no it’s not. First, those myocardia stats are about 5 in one million, and of those, the vast majority will see no permanent damage. Most won’t even notice there was a problem, the bulk heal up within a week or two.

        Second, myocardia is ALSO triggered by viral infections — because the reason vaccines can occasionally cause myocardia isn’t because the vaccines due it, it’s because your immune system overreacts to what it thinks is an infection and it’s this over-reaction that causes temporary swelling of the heart lining.

        It’s risk with any vaccine, and a risk with any viral illness. Fortunately, as noted, very few people get it at ALL, and of those, very few of those have any issues after a few weeks.

        All of which I’m fairly certain you know, but you decided to just….lie about it.Report

  2. InMD says:

    I think whatever purpose Fauci served as the official policy face of this has long passed. On one hand I think he had no favors done for him by the Trump admin’s incoherence in the early days of the pandemic. On the other he absolutely made his own decisions about messaging, up to and including lying and being wilfully misleading. The guy is obviously ambitious and has a very high opinion of himself, and it shows. My suspicion is that no thought was put into his elevation to spokesman. He simply was there and had the right title and credentials. Hopefully they think a little bit harder in who his successor in that role should be.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

      You know that Fauci was one of the guys in charge during the AIDS crisis?

      It’s weird how the same names keep popping up, no matter the outcomes of what happened last time.Report

      • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

        Bureaucracies implement the plans already on file with the people already retained.Report

      • Oscar Gordon in reply to Jaybird says:

        Not only in charge, but said some pretty nasty things about AIDS victims too (IIRC).

        I’m sure he’s walked those statements back since then, but the fact that he made such statements would make me hesitant to put him in a position to make public statements.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

          The stuff I’m finding that he said about AIDS was speculation over whether it could be transmitted casually (like, just housemates living together rather than via sexual contact or blood transfer).

          Wash your hands!Report

        • Rufus F. in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

          I don’t recall what he said about AIDS victims. I will say it’s worth reading How to Survive a Plague by David French, which is about how people with HIV lobbied for better drugs and ran up against the federal government’s unwillingness to sufficiently fund research and Fauci’s obstinance about any drugs he felt weren’t sufficiently tested. The book goes into how activism actually changed the relationship between patients and the medical establishment and how drugs get approved. It’s been a while since I read it, though, so it’s better to get the book.Report

    • Marchmaine in reply to InMD says:

      I think the cautionary tale we learn from CDC and Fauci is similar to the cautionary tale we learned from the DoD and Afghanistan: fundamentally our institutions are about distributing money… we want to believe that they are doing it according to expertise; but expertise is what puts you in charge of the money granting machine… it doesn’t necessarily mean you are executing the ostensible core capabilities well.

      In fact, it is possible that our institutions have forgotten what their core competencies are supposed to be… what with all the money that needs distributing.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Marchmaine says:

        Support the Troops!Report

        • Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

          Our best intelligence suggests that the virus couldn’t possibly come from anything related to the WIV or our grant money as determined by our grant recipients.

          Oh, here’s the 2019 report indicating that some of our research funds were used *NOT* for Gain of Function but for ‘accidentally’ changing the spike protein on a coronavirus that is definitely not related to ‘the’ bat virus… and, what’s that? The 2019 report wasn’t filed until 2021? Well, mistakes were made. But not any mistakes that might impede future funding.Report

  3. Chip Daniels says:

    These two posts today, Burt’s on the anti-vax lunatics and this one about the smear campaign against Fauci, prompt the question- Where is this coming from and why now?

    Only a few years ago anti-vax madness was a fringe of both political parties and barely worth considering.
    Now its formed the core belief of the political party which is poised to take power in 2024.

    What changed? Why did the Republican leadership embrace anti-vax with such gusto?

    Rather than swat the individual flies of the unending Gish Gallop of anti-vax nonsense, its more enlightening to look at the bigger picture of what happened and where this is going.Report

  4. John Puccio says:

    Fauci has used his influence to push several “noble lies” beyond the masks. From ‘two weeks to flatten the curve’ to steadily ‘nudging’ the threshold of heard immunity, to his participation in the Lancet letter denouncing the lab leak theory and the aforementioned role in GOF research. So it’s no surprise that half the country doesn’t trust him.

    But just like Andrew Cuomo who was ultimately done in for being a grabby old creep, Fauci will eventually go because of the dead puppies.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to John Puccio says:

      “flatten the curve” was never about reducing the overall number of cases, it was about reducing the frequency so that instead of an indigestible peak there’d be a series of manageable pulses. And that is in fact what happened.

      “Fauci will eventually go because of the dead puppies.”

      Americans will set a man on fire then kick his still-living charred body out of the way to give a puppy a piece of cheese.Report

      • “Two Weeks to Flatten The Curve” was also used as justification for harsh lockdowns that extended far beyond the curve being flattened, hence the public perception that “Two Weeks” was misleading. It wasn’t going to be a short term sacrifice and “they” knew that at the time and “they” felt the noble “fib”was necessary. People notice when you keep moving the goalposts.Report

  5. Fci needs to be replaced by someone who’s an expert in both immunology and public relations, will never misstep, and even the MAGAs will respect and admire. In the meantime, drink your bleach, shine bright lights up all your cavities, and eat your ivermectin.Report

  6. DensityDuck says:

    (looks at four years of articles about “Trump’s Administration Does Something Horrible” and “Trump White House Plans To Do Something Awful” and “Trump Sells Kittens To Toaster-Struedel Companies”)

    yeah, sure does seem odd that people would focus on the head of a bureaucracy as the avatar of that bureaucracy’s actions and declare them responsible for everything the organization does. can’t imagine why that would happen.Report

  7. DensityDuck says:

    “this is about a tiny population of grifters who are determined to turn a global pandemic into yet another front in the Culture War.”

    it’s amusing that you put it this way, as though “I am morally superior because I wear a mask and social-distance” was never an attitude that anyone anywhere ever espousedReport

    • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

      Also, it’s okay for people on our side to not mask at important events (even though the help must mask).

      It’s okay. They’re outside in a tent. It’s for an important cause. The help is getting paid a *LOT*.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to DensityDuck says:

      This is an example of what Burt was saying, that because someone doesn’t like The Other Team, they suddenly discover a distaste for smugness or elitism or medical testing or whatever, and therefore they develop a need to oppose vaccines or masks.

      To test this, just follow the logic.
      “Liberals are smugly wearing masks or smugly not wearing masks while the help does.”

      Therefore…what? What logically follows, regarding masks?
      They never say, because their desired conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        You’re right that most of the time people aren’t wearing a mask at you.

        Thing is…sometimes they are.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        Therefore…what? What logically follows, regarding masks?

        Is it important to wear them?

        Or is it optional?

        Under what circumstances is it optional?

        If the answer to that question is “you just hate people who believe in science”, then let me say that I still don’t know what logically follows, regarding masks, except that Our Betters seem to be operating under the assumption that they are not required for themselves.

        And, let’s face it, if there’s anything that will make me feel safer taking my mask off, it’s the people telling me how awful this disease is deciding that it’s *FINALLY* safe enough to unmask.

        Did you get your booster yet?Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

          This is the desired end goal, to take a simple health practice like masking and turn it into something complex and unknowable, subjective and of personal choice.

          The goal can’t be reached with declarative sentences (e.g. “masks don’t work”) so instead the strategy is just to throw dust clouds of confusion.

          Should a surgeon wash his hands before operating? Who knows, it’s terribly complex, the data is unclear and besides doctors perform terribly cruel experiments on puppies.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            Its frightening how you just “sounded” like Trump.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

            The confusion comes from establishing a bunch of rules like “wear an N95 mask” and then noticing that our leaders are not only not wearing N95 masks, but they’re not wearing masks at all!

            If the rulemakers are not following the rules, they are the ones throwing dust clouds.

            And the fact that I, an N95 mask-wearer, am accused of throwing confusion around instead of the leadership that is not wearing masks is an additional bit of confusion being added.

            Did you get your booster yet?Report

            • John Puccio in reply to Jaybird says:

              Are you’re saying I should *stop* wearing by bedazzled lycra mask?

              If virtue signaling while looking fabulous is wrong, I don’t want to be right!Report

              • Jaybird in reply to John Puccio says:

                Scientists did a study and errything about masks and covered t-shirt masks (single and dual layer) and N95 masks. Dual layer were ever-so-slightly better than not masking. Single layer were, they were surprised to find, worse than nothing.

                People keep saying “mask up!” and not “wear an N95 mask!”

                But you can get t-shirt masks that match your outfit. N95 masks are much less likely to look fashionable.

                But if the goal is not “protection” but “communication”, well, t-shirt masks may even do a better job than those bland N95s.Report

              • John Puccio in reply to Jaybird says:

                Agree, they should be either mandating N95 respirators (they are technically not masks) or just forget about face coverings.

                Your CVS mask does nothing but wear it for the entirety of this transatlantic flight anyway.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                See we already covered this extensively and here you go repeating the same falsehoods.

                Factually incorrect nonsense, easily understood by a careful reading of your very own link.

                You keep trotting out the “it’s so confusing” stuff but it’s not true.

                Masks work except for a tiny set of special circumstances which rarely occur. You know this, but pretend not to.

                This once again what Burt and Saul and others keep speaking to, that this is not good faith ignorance, or caution or hesitancy.

                At this point it can only be explained as a deliberate attempt at sowing disinformation.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                A careful reading of my very own link said that single layer masks were worse than nothing, double-layer masks were “meh”, and the masks that worked were N95.

                They did a scientific study and everything.

                (Wait, does this mean that you read the scientific study? And came to a conclusion based on it?!?!? Does that mean that we can ask you about scientific studies now?)Report

              • Michael Cain in reply to Jaybird says:

                And yet early on, it was recognized that a multi-layer homemade mask where the middle layer was from one of those blue shop towels — non-woven — was almost an N95 mask. A pain to breath through, but no more than the N95 mask I’m wearing almost 18 months later.

                This is the same as the people who leave their nose outside the mask — no inconveniences for them, no matter the consequences. My wife is suffering progressive dementia. I bust my butt to make “Use the nasal steroids so you don’t have chronic rhinitis symptoms and can wear the mask” work. I have zero f*cks left to give for people who say they can’t breath through a mask and haven’t worked through “Why not?”Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Michael Cain says:

                I’ve been going to Safeway semi-regularly since I got vaccinated and, through the summer, didn’t wear a mask and then, starting in August again, I was informed that I would be masking in public again.

                Since then, we’ve gone from about half of the people in Safeway being maskless (not counting employees) in September, to, the last time I went, 90% of the people in Safeway being maskless (not counting employees).

                I am continually frustrated that I am being defected against in our iterated game.

                Not only by people down here at my level (which, I mean, I kinda expect that).

                But by our betters. I wish that they would set an example for me to follow, rather than one that I am exceeding.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                First, that’s not what it said. You’re leaving out the parts about friability and why that’s important.

                Second, this is why I keep mocking the “I did my own research” thing because like many people, you read a scholarly paper outside your field of expertise, failed to really grasp what it was saying, and yet used the sciency jargon it contained to spread a virus of misinformation.

                Look, this is not an insult. You, like every person on this blog is a well educated highly informed and intelligent person.

                But no one here is an expert in epidemiology or public health. And an hour of Googling or Facebook searching doesn’t make you one.

                When your research has you concluding that the experts are wrong, your first instinct should be “I must have missed something” not “Hur hur those experts are wrong”.

                And your second instinct should be “I should probably check with people who really know”, not “How fast can I spread these micro droplets of misinformation “.

                Until you can say forthrightly “Masks greatly reduce the transmission of the virus in almost all cases”, you’re just spreading nonsense.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                ” this is why I keep mocking the “I did my own research” thing because like many people, you read a scholarly paper outside your field of expertise, failed to really grasp what it was saying, ”

                (this is the part where you tell us, sir)

                (this isn’t twitter)

                (you can write a comment as long as you like)

                “your second instinct should be “I should probably check with people who really know”…”

                do you have another study to suggest, one that was done by the people who ~really~ ~know~, because this would be a great place to drop itReport

              • Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck says:

                Here’s from the CDC.

                Does the CDC have recommendations on the types of masks? YES THEY DO!

                Hold your mask up to the light. If you can see light through it, then it is not CDC approved. They specifically recommend wearing a disposable mask underneath a suitable cloth mask. You know, if you can’t get an N95.

                I don’t know if this counts as disinformation, though.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to DensityDuck says:

                You and I both wouldn’t understand it if I did, any more than I would understand an astronomy paper by Michael Siegel, or an engineering paper by Oscar Gordon.

                We don’t know the difference between a good paper and bullshit paper which is why autodidactism is a game of fools.

                The experts in the field say that mask wearing works. They also say that washing our hands works, and that condoms prevent the spread of HIV, the earth revolves around the sun and that smoking leads to lung cancer.

                How many of those things did you independently research and study and form your own conclusions for, as opposed to just trusting the experts?

                Why is it always just that one thing, where people become suddenly and inexplicably distrusting of experts, while remaining wholly credulous about everything else?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                I read a scholarly paper and it said that some masks did not work and other masks worked.

                My argument is, and remains, you shouldn’t merely say “mask up”. Because some masks don’t work.

                My research did not have me conclude that the experts were wrong, my research concluded that they were right and them being right meant that, here, let me copy and paste this:

                that single layer masks were worse than nothing, double-layer masks were “meh”, and the masks that worked were N95.

                It’s weird that you interpret that as me saying “masks don’t work”.

                You should be interpreting it as me saying “some masks don’t work, some other masks do work, wear the ones that do.”Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

                According to your linked study, in almost all contexts masks work. In a very small set of unusual circumstances, they don’t.

                So yeah, saying “mask up” does work because the vast majority of masks are of the kind that work, even if meh.

                We started this thread by you asking :
                “Is it important to wear them?”

                Well you yourself answered yes.

                So why continue to ask this, as if there is some vigorous debate?

                At various points along the way you’ve tossed out red herrings like that the elites weren’t wearing masks, or that they falsely claimed that N95 masks were ineffective, but those were just distractions because you can’t form a logical path to a conclusion with them.

                And at the very end, you arrive at “well, in a vary small set of rare circumstances, its possible that wearing a mask is counterproductive”.

                Yet again, what logically follows?

                Just wear a better mask, that’s what follows. In every single case, the logical conclusion is “Wear A Damn Mask”.

                There is no logical path that concludes with “masks are unnecessary”.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Chip, you say “masks” and I make distinctions between different kinds of masks.

                You know, like they do on the CDC page.

                Do you *NOT* make distinctions between types of masks?

                You should check in with the experts.

                They make distinctions between types of masks.

                There is no logical path that concludes with “masks are unnecessary”.

                This is why I argue for stuff like N95 masks and get upset when Our Betters appear unmasked in situations where they ought to be wearing masks.Report

              • DensityDuck in reply to Jaybird says:

                Interesting to come back to this one six months later.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Jaybird says:

                But don’t most people recognize that wearing a t-shirt mask is like saying “good morning” to co-workers you don’t actually know? Not a “show” as a display of virtue, but a “show” as in we all know we have to wait a few more months before they drop these nonsense regulations. I don’t want to spray anyone if I cough, but we’re all probably going to get some variant of this thing anyway.

                I guess I don’t know the answer to this. There may be a lot more delusion than I realize. The fact that we’re masking children shows that we’re not particularly connected to reality. The large number of people who’ve dropped out of the workforce is another indicator.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Pinky says:

                It has reached a point where it is orthogonal to the need to map to reality. If it does, it does so coincidentally.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

                There may be a lot more delusion than I realize.

                I don’t know whether to laugh at you or metaphorically punch you.

                The fact that we’re masking children shows that we’re not particularly connected to reality.

                1) In many places they are no longer masking kids. 2) Until the CDC agrees with the FDA (probably next week) kids had no other line of defense, especially in places where vaccination remains low and thus community transmissibility remains high.

                But don’t most people recognize that wearing a t-shirt mask is like saying “good morning” to co-workers you don’t actually know?

                No they don’t. If they di, they wouldn’t wear them, and agencies like the FAA wouldn’t have had to specifically ban face coverings from bandanas or single layer anythings (which I heard on Southwest last night repeatedly).Report

              • Pinky in reply to Philip H says:

                What? You’re defending the masking of kids while saying they’re not longer doing it? Shouldn’t you be angry that jurisdictions are discontinuing it, if you think it has a benefit? If not, then why did you say that kids have no other line of defense?Report

  8. Greg In Ak says:

    If there is any lesson in Fauci it’s that knowing science, being an administrator and offering policy advice are a very different skill set from being an effective science communicator. Certainly to communicate you need to know your stuff so any spokes weasel can’t do it. But just anybody can’t clearly comm what to do and why.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Greg In Ak says:

      Agreed completely. Scientists are, by and large, terrible science communicators to the public. And I have no doubt Facui’s comms staff were and still are apoplectic about some of his answers. Sadly science graduate programs didn’t train for anything except peer reviewed publication until well into the 2000’s. You can now get graduate degrees in science communications . . . .Report

    • John Puccio in reply to Greg In Ak says:

      Dr Fauci is not just a good communicator, he’s an excellent one. By any measure, scientist, bureaucrat, politician or otherwise.

      The majority of his career has been spent doing hight profile, high stakes public engagement. He did not rise to the level he has achieved by not being an incredibly effective communicator. This isn’t some researcher that has been hiding in lab for the past 40 years.

      The problem isn’t that he doesn’t stay on message, the problem is the messaging is constantly changing.Report

      • Pinky in reply to John Puccio says:

        But if he were a good communicator, he would have made it clear that the science is always progressing, and that the virus, treatments, et cetera are always changing. “Here’s the best we understand right now” versus “if we all do this I think we may be going back to normal by July 4th”.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

          Politicians crave certainty. They want to know – RIGHT NOW – how their decisions will play out. They don’t like anything less, and will eviscerate anyone who is being cautious as a waffler. Plus, as a senior bureaucrat, Dr. Fauci was most certainly getting major talking points from a White House that wanted to minimize the threat. He was dealing with those contrary pulls in the midst of both a generational pandemic and science in real time. And many many times he said “here’s what the science says now” to a bunch of politicians who didn’t things to change so they could MAKE A DECISION and move on.Report

        • John Puccio in reply to Pinky says:

          But that sort of goes to my point. That’s not a communications issue. That was the messaging that I can only assume was agreed to by Fauci and other public policy people.

          The sum total of the inconsistencies in those messages is the issue. That is what undermines their ability to persuade a large portion of the public.

          Let’s put it this way, if you were on Fauci’s comms team, you have a lot easier job than if you worked for a lunatic like Trump or a cognitively declining Biden. The “circle backs” to “clarify” what they said/say deserves serious hazard pay.Report

          • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

            Politicians are inconsistent all the time and yet manage to persuade all sorts of people. Its never considered a sin when they do it so I’m not sure why its a sin for Dr. Fauci – who again was and still is trying to balance complex intersections between science, policy, politics, economics and communications.Report

            • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

              I agree that some of the inconsistencies are due to evolving understanding of the virus, how it is transmitted, the efficacy of X, Y, Z, etc. And if that was the only thing we were talking about, there would still be be people who who are dead set against what he says – mainly because they just don’t want to continue living this way. Let’s call them the deeply cynical. But when you add the documented “noble lies” that are told because the public can’t handle the truth (there are several) – he has admitted trying to ‘nudge’ people by fibbing this or that – throw in vaccines (there will not be mandates), suspending the J&J jab, ignoring natural immunity – and then add in the big ticket items like the orchestrated dismissal of the lab leak theory and the role his agency plays in gain-of-function research (that’s not *really* gain of function…) — it really should not be a surprise to see that half the country doesn’t trust him anymore. Those are not communications issues, per se. Those are all choices, some worse than others, but they add up.

              Anyway, that’s my take. I could be wrong, I often am…Report

          • Pinky in reply to John Puccio says:

            I’m saying that many (most?) of those inconsistencies reflect the developing science and situation. But if he’s failed to convey that instability, that’s a miscommunication on his part.Report

            • John Puccio in reply to Pinky says:

              Sorry, I think I replied to you to Philip above. I guess I’d add a point here to Philip. I think most people would hold public health policy experts to a much higher standard than a politician. It’s assumed they are all liars. That’s why they run attack ads. Easier to tear someone else down than elevate yourself.

              In terms of persuasion – I totally agree that they have been a failure. I concede persuasion IS an element of effective communications. People will say they did everything they could and anyone not on board is just a nutjob. But they didn’t. Education efforts have been preachy and tone deaf. Blaming Fox News or Red State governors. Once everything became political, heels were dug in. The public health leaders should have done a better job of staying above the fray, but the did not. If they were actually interested in being persuasive, they would have tried harder and been more transparent.Report

      • Imagine if he had gone in front of the cameras and told the truth. “N95 masks are probably useful, but we lack adequate stockpiles even for the front line people. The supply chain for PPE runs through China and will almost certainly be cut. The national stockpile of ventilators is useless because we haven’t paid for the ongoing regular maintenance on them. Testing will be inadequate to keep track of what’s happening for months because the CDC screwed up.” How’s he supposed to close that? “Pray that we haven’t run up against the worst case, as contagious as measles and lethal as smallpox”?Report

        • The first rule of public relations is never knowingly lie. It always come back to bit you.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

          I know what would have happened had he done that. His resignation letter would have been on his desk waiting for his signature when he got back.Report

        • If you’re locking down society and enforcing the strictest of strict social distancing policies where you’re not suppose to leave your house, why do you need to lie? You can’t say, we need N95 respirators for our medical staffs for whom it provides *some* protection? I mean, do you really think whatever they said to deter the public from buying N95s made any difference? I don’t.

          Meanwhile supply ramped up pretty quickly and lying about it only hurt credibility, which has had a much more lasting effect.Report

          • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

            NIH never issued any stay at home orders. Hell the federal government never did that. States did that, usually on the advice of a number of sources, some federal and some state. And got pilloried for it, or have you managed to forget the storming of the Michigan state capitol?

            The Trump White House’s number one message to agencies at the time was don’t panic the markets. I am reasonably certain that talking point was in there precisely to keep from panicking the markets, whether it would have or not.Report

            • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

              Whoever issued the lockdowns and where in Spring 2020 is largely irrelevant since I’m not aware of many places in the the U.S. you could do much of anything once the virus got going. The vast majority of the public was doing exactly what Dr Fauci recommended. The decisions he made in the early months are not the reason for his unpopularity with half the country today. The mask reversal was just the first of the “inconsistencies” that garner more attention because his emails indicate he advised personal connections not to bother wearing a mask. Honestly, that is more problematic for him than the “noble lie” of saving respirators for front line workers. If you are a person who hates wearing a mask, it’s a hard thing not remember.Report