A Good, Old Fashioned, All-American Satanic Panic
I wonder if somewhere within Proctor & Gamble someone who has been with the company long enough got a good chuckle out of the latest social media trend of Satanic Panic.
Oh yes, Proctor & Gamble of yesteryear, more specifically their Pampers brand of diapers, was getting the Satanic Panic treatment back in 1985 as if one of their cherub-faced mascots had rubbed their diaper-encased bottoms all over the prince of darkness himself like Lil Nas X has, to get the modern-day devil fear stoked back up.
LEAFLETS charging that the Procter & Gamble Company is an agent of Satan have recently surfaced throughout the New York metropolitan area and the company is starting a campaign to counteract the rumors. Among other things, the leaflets say that the company’s logo represents the Devil and the company’s profits are used to support the worship of Satan.
Yesterday, Procter & Gamble held a news conference to deny the stories, which it said prompted 5,600 calls last month and 4,000 calls so far this month to its headquarters in Cincinnati. Sixty percent of those calls were from New York, New Jersey or Pennsylvania, the company said.
The company has established a toll- free number, 800-354-0508, to handle the calls. It has also hired two investigative agencies to trace the rumors and take legal action against the people who spread them.
”They simply are not true,” W. Wallace Abbott, a senior vice president of Procter & Gamble, said of the stories. ”We haven’t the vaguest idea how it started; all we know is people are believing it. Do you know how hard it is to fight a rumor?”
This is not the first time Procter & Gamble has waged such a fight. The rumors linking the company with the Devil first began on the West Coast in 1982. Someone, Mr. Abbott said the company has no idea who, began sending mimeographed letters to thousands of California residents saying that the Procter & Gamble logo of the man in the moon and 13 stars was really a symbol of Devil worship
The thirteen stars around the moon of the logo, that P&G relented and changed, dated back to 1882 and was representative of the original 13 colonies. Not some occult symbol. But accuracy or truthiness never stopped a good Satanic Panic. Ask Dungeons & Dragons players of the 70s and 80s. Or kids just trying to watch a cartoon like He-Man, Smurfs, or Thundercats and buy merch to go with it but getting blocked because that was Satanic. Plus there were the daycares that were actual occult sacrifice centers, so those were Satanic too. Oh, and re-runs of Mr. Ed, because he is so totally about secretive, subliminal messages, so that’s uber Satanic. And if you listen to music backwards you get all sorts of messages about killing yourself and serving the devil, so that’s muy satánico. And even if you weren’t Satanic in the 80s, there was a book and cottage industry based around the fact that you actually were. You just couldn’t remember it until the right people used the right methods to bring those memories out of you, because those are mega super ultra-Satanic.
And then there was heavy metal music. Which was totally and utterly Satanic. Except almost none of it actually was, the edgy darkness being more for the shock and awe value of it than actually hailing the dark lord. That particular strain of Satanic Panic reached its peak in 1990 when a judge ruled that legendary metal outfit Judas Priest was not liable for the murder-suicide attempt by Raymond Belknap, then 18, and James Vance, 20 who “had spent six hours drinking, smoking marijuana and listening to the metal band’s Stained Class album, after which each man took a shotgun and shot himself. Belknap died instantly, but Vance lived, sustaining serious injuries that left him disfigured; he died three years later.” Vance and his parents sued claiming subliminal messages, not the hours’ worth of hard partying and bad life decisions, had made the tragedy happen. The judge disagreed. But probably only because he was in on the worldwide network of Satan worshipers himself, or something.
See, that’s the beauty of a good Satanic Panic. Like all good conspiracy theories, all proof against it is really proof that it is real. Meanwhile, the Satanic Panic Patrol is so busy chasing their wildest nightmares around they just end up looking foolish at best, or worse destroying innocent people’s lives. After six years of investigations and five years of trial the McMartin daycare case resulted in zero convictions. The Judas Priest case. The West Memphis Three, who did 18 years in prison before Alford Pleas commuted their sentences and DNA indicated they had nothing to do with killing anyone. Heck, even the Amanda Knox saga had Satanic Panic make a cameo. Not to be out done, politics also has its share of Satanic Panics. The lunatic fringe of today that buys into Pizzagate and QAnon conspiracies of massive political pedophilia rings are just a logical hop, skip, and a jump from the suburban Satanic Panic panickers, who are just the latest version of a crazy that goes back to the Middle Ages and before.
Satanic Panic is the worst kind of dumb conspiracy theory: an unoriginal one.
Perhaps the peak of Satanic Panic 1.0 (or whatever scoring you are using at home) in the halcyon days of the 80s/90s was Geraldo Rivera’s post-Al Capone’s vault debacle with a hell of a primetime special. At the time, Geraldo’s Devil Worship: Exposing Satan’s Underground was the highest rated two-hour special in television history. And even at the time, folks sort of felt maybe the guy who just got owned on live TV by an empty vault might be overselling Satanic Panic just a smidge:
Back in 1988, mustachioed talk-show gadfly Geraldo Rivera aired a very special two-hour exposé on America’s foremost seducer of innocents: Satanism! The host somehow managed to spin heavy metal album covers and disparate crimes into a sensationalist yarn about a million-strong Satanic conspiracy overtaking the nation.
Among the many absolutely ridiculous moments are when Geraldo posits that Satanism should have a warning label like cigarettes, Geraldo notes that “use of new vocabulary” is a symptom of occult interest, and Ozzy Osbourne defends his music via satellite feed (the singer is surprisingly lucid, despite looking like he just rolled out of bed).
Even at the time, the documentary was roundly trashed as histrionics. I mean, why discuss improving mental health treatment for teenagers when you can blame what’s widely considered Iron Maiden’s best album?*
At the time, Geraldo’s Satan scare brought NBC the highest ratings ever received for a two-hour documentary, but its lurid subject matter didn’t pull in the advertisers.
Funny that. The folks with actual skin in the game immediately sensed they didn’t want their brands associated with it, no matter how many eyeballs it drew. For reference, when a late-80s Ozzy — who was legendarily higher than a bad haircut on a giraffe most of the time during that period — is warning you to slow your roll, you’ve lost the plot. But Geraldo did manage to get one actual heavy metal Satanist on the show.
“How much can you influence kids?” King Diamond sets up his retort in that clip while wearing his full stage makeup: “I think people are too clever to be influenced by a band on stage or going out and listening to an album to go out and do the same. ‘Cause if they were that easy to influence, watching the news, you get the real thing, and everyone knows that’s right into your living room.”
Which is the crux of the Satanic Panic. Or the Violent Video Games Panic. Or the Rap Music Panic. Or more recently the WAP Panic. The material isn’t knew, but when such things land with a group that scheming folks can make hay for their own causes with you get crossed streams of self-interest and moral outrage. Moral red turns money green quick, if you know how to push the right buttons. The Satanic Panic button certainly pushes folks. Which is why Lil Nas X was lap dancing Satan and selling out “Satan shoes” in the first place. Savvy marketer that he is, the controversy is a force multiplier for his brand; every think piece and Twitter thread about it is linking to his pic, his YouTube vid, his brand expansion, making him sinful amounts of money while the erstwhile good and godly folks of social media lose their ever-loving minds.
It’s in the finest American tradition of a Satanic Panic. It isn’t the first. It won’t be the last. You can ask King Diamond, who after 40-odd years of being the rare breed of actually Satanic person in a Satanic Panic is circumspect about such things these days. Oddly enough, despite his Satanic bone fides he spent much of the 80s and 90s fending off criticisms of being a fake or not really metal. As early as 1984 even the normally tolerant Heavy Metal press was dubbing him “hokey Satanist” despite him being very serious about his faith beliefs. Not to mention dealing with the public perception he admittedly invited upon himself.
Mercyful Fate also had a major influence, along with Venom, on the Norwegian black metal scene of the early 90s. Not only for their heavy music and satanic vibes, but also for King’s image, copied in the ‘corpse paint’ worn by bands such as Mayhem and Emperor, which defined the whole aesthetic of black metal. King acknowledges the influence that he and his band had on black metal, but he recalls his shock at the genre-related events in Norway in 1993: the burning of churches, and the brutal murder of Mayhem leader Oystein Aarseth by rival musician Varg Vikernes of Burzum. “These were sick, crazy, twisted things,” he says.
That leads him to address the great conundrum in his life. To distance himself, and Mercyful Fate, from the horrors of Norwegian black metal, he states: “I don’t think anyone could have misinterpreted what we were doing.” And yet in the very next moment he admits that he has been misunderstood for his entire adult life. “I’ve tried to explain this so many times,” he says. “People ask me: ‘Are you a Satanist?’ To answer, I have to ask them a question first: ‘What does that mean to you?’ If you think it’s someone who sacrifices animals, or worse, no. Are you insane? I would never harm an animal. If you think that’s it, you’re crazy.
That’s exactly it, though. That is the really soul-sucking part of a roused up Satanic Panic. It makes people crazy. It has to, because logically it just doesn’t hold up. There’s no earthly way there are secretly millions of Satan worshipers stealing babies and sacrificing animals. There is no evidence outside of the convicted looking for an excuse that a genre of music alone is the source of bad behavior, any more than video games were despite that myth enduring for going on 40 years now. Same with television before that. If we checked someone, somewhere probably thought the telegraph and Western Union was Satan in the wires at some point. The “evidence” presented saying so is no more convincing than the anecdotal evidence of us sneaking out of backwoods country churches to listen to metal, or rap, or whatever else in a car of off a cassette someone managed to get a hold of lead to most of us turning out reasonably normal. For the ones who didn’t, the type of music they listened too is far down the list of things wrong with them. Same with murderers who happened to listen to metal, or worship Satan, or whatever other excuse they come up with for their wicked deeds.
Maybe it is heretical to some Christians, but if you have a little bit of faith and belief, then someone you don’t know getting their grind on with the forbidden one really doesn’t affect your life at all unless you let it. Like D&D players you didn’t know in the 70s. Or metal heads and thrashers in the 80s. Or the explosion and mainstreaming of rap in the 90s. Or Lil Nas X in devilish thigh-high boots making it rain on himself while the church folks gasp in horror. Or whatever it will be next time after the current Satanic Panic subsides a bit.
Maybe it would be fairer to hold Baptists and Satanist to the same standards, but that doesn’t feel as good as raging against the dark, mystic arts. Then again, we can’t even get into the nuances of what actually makes a Satanist. Take, for example, the differences between the Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan, neither of which actually believe in a real, literal Satan anyway. And if you think their doctrinal beef over differences outsiders might see as nuances, pedantic, and shades of grey, you haven’t been to a Baptist church lately for a good, old fashioned red v blue carpet business meeting. The nuances of art and performance? Pfft, forget about it. Maybe Geraldo, who isn’t in any great professional shakes at the moment, should do another special of how all those kids at that King Diamond concert in 88 are doing now that they are in the 40s and 50s. You know, some actual data points and real-life stories as to whether or not the Satanic Panic of the 80s ruined a generation or not.
Then again even avowed Satanist have their limits, no matter how great the tradition of an American Satanic Panic may be. “I’ve been here in Dallas (Texas) since ‘92,” the Danish-born King Diamond, now in his 60s himself, told an interviewer. Both King and his wife are now naturalized US Citizens. “I’m glad that I’m not in Denmark now. They have such long, horrendous winters.” Maybe give the guy a break. After all, he’s one of ours now, and just trying to stay warm, believe how he sees fit, and melt faces at the metal show.
God Bless America, Satanic Panics and all.
Having been a player of AD&D and a fan of heavy metal, I always get a chuckle out of all the pearl clutching of the morally high & mighty.
You would think for demographic that is supposed to believe in the fallibility of man and the inherent nature of sin, the idea that an external influence is necessary to cause one to fall from grace should be simply ridiculous. We are all too capable of falling from grace all by ourselves, no external pushes needed.Report
Most of the D&D playing metal heads of my youth are now fine upstanding citizens. One produces movies for a living. One is a civil rights lawyer. I’m an oceanographer. Another is a community librarian. If we are the forces of Satan come to life, boy did he miss big.Report
Well, it is Satan, he only needs to successfully produce the antichrist once.Report
I got a cousin who was a metal head in the 80/90s and mocks the silly fears and panic over that stuff. How silly were adults back then to start panics over kids listening to music. They are all good people now, hard working, patriotic and up standing.
Obtw the trans people are coming to destroy the country. And did you hear all the crap kids nowadays listen to, back in his day they had good music. They were tough in his day, kids now are lazy, weak and effeminate. This country is going down hill he will tell you loudly. Damn it’s not like the good ol days when men were men… Blah blah blah.Report
I am not too concerned about this one. The power of evangelicals is rapidly diminishing and most of their concerns are now met with silence. They are reported on but no real action is performed in response.Report
Broke: Satanic Panic
Woke: QAnon Stolen Election Panic
Bespoke: Vaccine Passport Panic
Same players, same script.Report
Did anybody mention the whole “woke” thing yet? No?
Well, I suppose that a significant difference is that problematic things are really problematic and it’s not merely something made up by scoldy busybodies.Report
Yes and no.
Yes, the woke crowd gets themselves all spun up and perform public acts of signalling over stupid shite on a regular basis.
But there are things that the woke crowd is rightly concerned about. The kinds of things that perpetuate bad things, like racism and sexism, etc. Bad things that have been, and/or still are, endemic in our society.
Satanism has never been an endemic issue (obviously because Satanists are really good at programming followers until the correct key phrase is transmitted). Getting spun up over Satanism is a pointless exercise in stroking your own ego and virtue signaling to others who get spun up over Satanism.
Woke: Blind squirrels can still find a nut or two.
Satanists: Squirrels that chase their tails never find any nuts.Report
Squirrels that chase their tails never find any nuts.
If they’re boy squirrels …Report
Thank you. You have just increased the total amount of happiness in the world 😉Report
Damn…
LMAO!Report
I thought of noting how the anti cancel culture thing is your basic moral panic. Oscar’s comment covers it. Mostly wrong and massively spun up but occasionally right.Report
Cancel culture is definitely a panic. I assume we’re at the height of it, although who knows how long it’ll continue. I think it was Andrew Klavan who was talking about how all the people behind this will be known as villains forever. Consoling in the big picture, but it’s a lot of grief in the meantime.Report
“Grandpa Chip, back in the teens, did you really say that Harvey Weinstein was a monster who deserved to go to prison?”Report
“Look for yourself, kiddo! We’ve got a site where I commented on things in real time and you can google all of the threads from 2017 where we discussed Harvey Weinstein and see with your own eyes what I said about it!”Report
Broke – “Cancel culture is definitely a panic.”
Woke – Some people are panicking about being held accountable for their words and actions.Report
“no, you’re a moral panic!”
“no, *you’re* a moral panic!”
we need a third party arbiter (preferably hooked up to a ketamine drip) to fix this one. [ivolunteerastribute.gif]Report
OK. A sudden, large-scale reframing of the debate into absolute moral terms, with new vocabulary and ceremonies, where actions that were acceptable yesterday are forbidden today, with public shaming of both natural friends and enemies and public confessions, where the second-greatest offense is breaking the rules but the greatest offense is mocking them.Report
that’s where the ketamine drip comes in, dude. opens your third eye past the point of no return. who better to be a moral arbiter than someone who realizes that morality is like a river of sand flowing through your fingertips, stretching outward into a vast plain encompassing all time and no time, where every action is deeply meaningful and yet entirely constructed of “meaning”, where our lives play out against a grand cosmic drama in which our participation is but a speck in the eye of eternity.
it’s a *brilliant* plan.Report
Things that exist: Racism, sexism, xenophobia, bigotry, hatred.
Things that do not exist: Satan.
But if you have to live by both sides do it, I guess you have to live by both sides do it.Report
The comparison is between racists/sexists and Satanists, not between racism/sexism and Satan. I believe that Satan is real, so I wouldn’t make the following comparison, but if you wanted to, you could compare the concept of the master race to the concept of Satan. Maybe a comparison we could both agree with is racism today to communism in the 1950’s. I don’t think there were that many individuals actually accused of Satanism in the 1980’s, certainly not comparable to the number of accusations of communism in the 1950’s or racism today. And both communism and racism exist. I’d say that the percentage of false accusations of racism today outmatches the percentage of false accusations of communism in the 1950’s, but we probably don’t agree on that point. Also, I’d hope we can agree that the the concept of the socialist utopia is as fictional as the concept of the master race.Report
Saul, you see “both sides do it”, I see “history repeats itself (or, at least, rhymes)”.Report
The Satanic panic wasn’t about Satan, but about Satanists. Cults like this, while rare, and not strictly speaking Satanist, are very real.
And with the milder panics over things like rock music, Dungeons and Dragons and Harry Potter were less about human sacrifice and more about the idea that these things would lead the young away from Our Values, which are obviously the Right Values and beyond question.Report
To whatever degree this is true, it is so in more ways than you probably meant.Report
It’s weird how I keep being told that the things I say are true, but despite the fact that I said them.
For the record, I think it’s great that Woke People have finally defeated Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and six Dr. Seuss books. Their victories remind me of the Oak Hill satanic ritual abuse trial which was one of the things that heralded the beginning of the end of the Panic.Report
In the same way that McDonald’s pulling the McRib off their menu reminds me of the Katyn Forest massacre.Report
Did you ever hear about Mike Warnke? Oh, it’s hilarious. He was a Christian Comedian whose testimony involved being a Satanist.
Good stuff.
Anyway, who am I going to bring up next? What move did I set up by bringing up Mike Warnke? Guess.Report
Here’s the answer:
Jessica A. Krug.
But if you wanted to guess Rachel Dolezal, Satchuel Cole, Kelly Kean Sharp, or CV Vitolo-Haddad, I’d give full credit and agree that you knew exactly why I brought up Mike Warnke.Report
Your trolling in defense of both sides do it as apologia for right-wing politics is consistent, I will give you that.Report
You don’t see the common thread of “pretending to be something that they’re not in service to a narrative” there?
I mean, I should at least get credit for seeing Jessica A. Krug, Rachel Dolezal, Satchuel Cole, Kelly Kean Sharp, or CV Vitolo-Haddad and thinking “hey, this is like Mike Warnke” and not thinking “THIS IS UNIQUE TO WOKE PEOPLE”.
I mean, did you think that Jessica Krug was unique to woke people?Report
And, I gotta say, the “Both Sides Do It” thought-stopping cliché is a spectacularly dumb one.
“This thing is human nature.”
“Republicans have human nature.”
“Yeah. So do Democrats.”
“BOTH SIDES DO IT”
See? It’s not even a fallacy. At least referring to whataboutism when someone says “Clinton appears on Epstein’s flight logs” “OH WHATABOUT TRUMP” can, at least, be called “you’re trying to change the subject” which has a handful of fallacies associated with it.
But in this we’re talking about various panics that the country has engaged in and I’m seeing common threads between the decades.
And you’re saying that the common threads are a “both sides do it” argument and… my God man.
This is something that we, as a country, seem to be good at repeating periodically.
It might even be human nature.Report
This probably all makes perfect sense inside your mind, based on your personal history and interactions with people.
But to me, this just sounds like a Scientologist explaining how Flat Earth Creationism differs from the theology of Xenu. Its all bizarre insider jargon and name dropping, with references that have no apparent connection leading to an implied non sequitur conclusion.
I have no idea who any of those people you mentioned are, or what connection they have to the two things you are trying to compare to each other.
At this point, analogies and metaphor are your enemies, acting as distortion filters mangling whatever point you’re trying to make.Report
But to me, this just sounds like a Scientologist explaining how Flat Earth Creationism differs from the theology of Xenu.
Perhaps it will clear things up if I explain that I’m trying to point out that, as an atheist, Flat Earth Creationism has a lot in common with the theology of Xenu.
And, specifically, the people who get the most het up and passionate about Flat Earth Creationism have a lot in common with the people who get the most het up and passionate about the theology of Xenu.
Anyway, Mike Warnke claimed to be a high priest in a Satanist Church and engaged in Satanism. He left, by the grace of God, and became a Christian Comedian with one hell of a testimony!
Except he made it up.
Jessica Krug was a professor of something or other at some college or other and professed to be a Latina from the Barrio and gave impassioned speeches about the stuff that had happened to her and this gave her a great platform to fight for social justice.
Except she made it all up. (She called herself “Jess La Bombalera”.)Report
And, as TVD used to explain, the environment isn’t a real issue because Iron Eyes Cody was Italian.Report
The environment *IS* a real issue!
There are many possible responses to the environment being a real issue.
One of them, of course, is “banning plastic straws”.Report
Are you really comparing getting rid of fictional character you dislike to making innocent people serve 20 years in prison?Report
I’m really comparing the belief that something is actually being done to strike against evil with the belief that something is actually being done to strike against evil.
For what it’s worth, I think that it’s great that, in the cases of Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and Doctor Seuss, nobody has actually been harmed.
But the extent of Woke Culture is not limited to those three examples. Sadly, the idea that Evil is actively being fought against is not limited to the Oak Hill Satanic Ritual Abuse trial.Report
I have two ways that the prosecutors might have been thinking about Oak Hill:
A) Satanism is real and needs to be fought against and we’ve found a pocket of it and we need to stamp down on it quick and fight against it!
B) This is the current big thing and we’re big damn prosecutors and we’ve gotta prosecute something and we’ve caught something that really fits with the current narrative and so if we cut some corners here, suppress some evidence there, and a couple of not-exactly-guilty people get caught up in it, that’s an acceptable price to pay to demonstrate that we aren’t slouching in the fight against the current boogyman
Is there a C?
If it’s just A or B, which is worse?Report
C: It’s a child-abuse case. Prosecutors tended in those days to believe the kids too readily, ignore signs of improper suggestion, and, all too often, cut corners to get the monsters who, so the kids said, abused them. The Satan angle was icing on the cake. Just as you don’t need to invent Satan to explain flawed human nature, you don’t have to invoke Satan for people to get nuts in child abuse cases.Report
Especially given that “repressed memories accessible under hypnosis” was all the rage.
Before it was bunk. Oh, wait, wasn’t Texas still doing that until just recently? I guess now it’s bunk?Report
Here Jaybird is using a rhetorical technique called an “analogy.” This is a claim that two things are similar in some specific way. A common pitfall people make when encountering an analogy is to assume that the analogy is an assertion that the two things being analogized are alike in every way, but that’s not how analogies work.Report
Sure, but analogies exist to serve a purpose, to demonstrate that similarity.
But if the differences outweigh the similarities, others are permitted to find the analogy sorely lacking.
I mean, I can claim that a bird is analogous to a fish because they both move in three dimensions through a fluid medium. Doesn’t mean the analogy holds.Report
I think the better way to respond to a sorely overstretched analogy is by making a better one. No one here thinks Jaybird believes that Aunt Jemima is a real person who was punished. He wasn’t claiming that. There’s no benefit in declaring that Aunt Jemima isn’t a real person.
Why, exactly, did he use that analogy? Probably to belittle the current panic and panickers. (I just googled “panicker” to make sure I had the right spelling, and it turns out that Panicker is a Hindu ethnic group in southern India.) Probably to demonstrate the ritualistic destruction of symbols found in moral panics. I’d guess there’s also a “first they burn your flag, then they burn you” aspect to it.Report
This is the goatse of overstretched analogies.Report
The bird-fish analogy is fine, as long as it’s used in a context in which it’s clear that that’s the salient similarity. It’s clear, in this case, that Jayfish was pointing out the similarity in mindset, not the similarity in severity of consequences. Similarly, it’s quite common to use the term “witch hunt” to describe situations with much lower stakes than hanging or burning at the stake.Report
I’ll say it again, the analogy fails because Satanic Panics never actually had a real example to form a basis upon.
The woke panics are bad (just ask Emmanuel Cafferty), but Ahmaud Arbery is actually dead from racism, and Epstein/Maxwell/Cosby were real people doing really bad things, so there is some real nasty examples to work from.
It’s not that we should give a pass to the woke panics, but the evils they hope to struggle against are actually real and pervasive. They have a basis in reality.
Satanic panics never did.Report
Are you comfortable calling this the new McCarthyism?Report
Are we holding Congressional Hearings over whether or not a given person is a racist or misogynist?
No.
But the flavor of, “is your neighbor a secret communist” certainly exists among the woke, at least the parts that make the news. And the impacts of being targeted by them are similar, whether or not the accusation holds water.
So as an analogy, McCarthy is much better than Satanists, because there were actual Communists in America, even if they were never really the threat McCarthy imagined them to be.Report
“Are we holding Congressional Hearings over whether or not a given person is a racist or misogynist?”
Marjorie Taylor Greene was stripped of her committee assignments partially on the basis of isms. We’re holding regular hearings with social media founders about the speed with which they get rid of isms and ists. The inaugural speech went after isms, as did at least one recent executive order.Report
Like I said, it’s got the right flavors and it works much better as an analogy.Report
Maybe she could get her assignments back if the GOP declared that no reasonable person would believe anything she says.Report
Jim Crow was alive and well in the US then, and a much bigger threat to liberty than American Communists were, just as Trumpism is alive and well today and a much bigger threat than wokism and cancel culture (neither of which ever tried to use violence to overturn an election) are, so some things never changeReport
Fair point. Call it the RINO panic?Report
You know how whenever we discuss Culture and Television and someone asks for an example of a “Conservative Value” so we can talk about shows with “Conservative Values”?
And you know how someone always points out something like “a husband and wife love each other” and someone else points out that that’s not a particularly “Conservative Value”? Like, even Centrists achieve that from time to time?
I’d like to point out that being opposed to Ahmaud Arbery’s murder is something that isn’t limited to woke folks.Report
To get deeper into the analogy, it’s like saying that since Satanic Child Abuse doesn’t exist then Child Abuse doesn’t exist.
Ending the racism that is Uncle Ben’s Rice might feel like a victory against evil, but someone could easily point out that Ahmaud Arbery is still dead.
The evil that the prosecutors in Texas were trying to stamp down by shutting down the day care was not particularly real. And throwing those people behind bars was not particularly a victory.
And, indeed, the evil that exists in the world was not touched by the shutting down of the Satanic Day Care.
Some might even argue that resources that could have been used to tackle *ACTUAL* bad stuff were wasted tackling the fake stuff.Report
How to put this…
There is ‘A crime’, and then there is ‘A crime with elements of X’.
Arbery was murdered. That is the crime.
His murderers were motivated to some degree by racism, that is the ‘elements of X’.
If his murderers were not racists, Arbery might still be alive. I can’t say that for certain, but let’s call it a better than 75% chance.
Child abuse is a crime. Child abuse due to Satanic rituals or dogma is still a crime, but there aren’t any (TTBOMK) cases of actual Satanists committing abuse because of Satanic dogma.
Now, and I bet you just know where I am going with this, there are actual cases of parents abusing their children based upon their dogmatic interpretations of Bible/Quran, or the teachings of some religious figure using either of those books.
I mean, we have Conversion therapy, we have female circumcision, etc.
So…
If not for the religion influencing the parents, would the child abuse still have happened? Maybe? But we don’t see Christian or Muslim panics because some parents opted to abuse their children within those themes.Report
“But he trespassed!” was popular among unwoke folks as long as it was remotely plausible. “He died with a cop kneeling on his neck, not from a cop kneeling on his neck” is still popular today.Report
I’m so old I remember the Procter and Gamble thing. I think I actually lived through most, if not all, of it – the DnD thing being of the devil, the heavy-metal music thing, the false-memories-child-molesting thing (maybe not Satanic Panic but Satanic Panic-adjacent). Probably stuff I’m forgetting, too.
I don’t remember the Mr. Ed thing, which is good, because it would have made me sad, Mr. Ed (in re-runs by then) was my absolute favorite tv show when I was about 4.
Seems to me, as a theologically liberal Christian, it’s easy enough for people to do wrong (hurt others, damage the community) without making recourse to a literal devil – or seeing Satan worship behind every old logo that contains something they think is Satan-related. There have been, for example, far too many local news stories of church pastors who either cheated pretty flagrantly and awfully on their spouses, or who abused kids, or who embezzled.
(People make me sad a lot of the time)
Though I suppose it’s a lot easier to point out the speck in your brother’s eye – even if that speck doesn’t actually exist – than to try to remove the plank from your own. I think that’s a big part of looking for scapegoats; it’s easier than cleaning your own house.Report
From an obscure animation I saw recently:
Beatrice: You did this to him. You corrupted his heart.
Lucifer: I’ve had no need to influence humanity for many millennium my dear. I simply introduced sin. Man is the one who has spread it like a disease; cultivating it, empowering it.Report
I will say I grew up thinking the Satanic Panic was silly. After all, most metal heads are stoners who like guitar solos, which seems pretty safe to me.
And then, years later, you read this great book and think, “Oh, well, except in Norway, where they were burning down churches and murdering people.” I’m not sure I would have expected that twist in the 80s.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/116168.Lords_of_ChaosReport
One of the things to keep in mind about ‘satanic panics’ is that they never manifest arbitrarily. The people/groups accused are always people from an Outside Group that the people from the Inside Group were looking to punish for reasons not related to Satan. That’s why Jews and people who are LGBTQ are so often suspects, historically speaking, and why it has been common in certain regions (and not just the US) for accusations to be related to race.
Even panics like McMartin happened at a moment where daycare centers were relatively new and already under attack for being anti-family and/or displacing women from where they belonged.
Heavy Metal often voluntarily leaned into it with imagery, as has Lil Nas X, but the desire from certain groups to punish rock artists or rap artists preceded (and influenced) those decisions.Report
The big thing though is that this story is a large whoop. If anything, OT seems to be treating the Christian Right as more powerful than it really is. During my childhood and young adult hood, the Christian Right had real power. Its leaders would say jump and corporation executives would ask “how high?” I think they have lost this power and know it. Christian Right complaints and boycotts end up as nothing and Dreher just melts down on twitter again over something something left.
MGT and Boebert are not quite typical Christian right politicians. MGT did send her kids to fundie schools but Boebert seems to be more of a “party hard” kind of conservative.Report
Fred Clark over at Slacktivist has had a very good continuing series on panics, under the general heading of “I Want To Believe”.
He shows that the anger and rage predates the alleged information about panics, that people seek out information that validates their pre-existing feelings and worse, when confronted by evidence that the outrages didn’t happen, become angry. They want to believe.Report
One of the interesting things about growing up in an upper middle class mainly Jewish suburb of New York City is that my parents or the parents of the kids I grew up with did not believe in any of this Satanic stuff. They might have done some eye-rolling over D&D, Thundercats, and whatever else kids were into but they didn’t think that Satan was behind them because they didn’t believe in Satan. It makes for an interesting compre and contrast to friends who grew up in other areas of the country.Report
i grew up in a working class neighborhood in nj surrounded largely by ethnic catholics and there was no panic about this either.Report
It’s almost like satanic panics, like every panic, is manufactured.Report
They used to be manufactured in America by American labor, than Clinton signed NAFTA and all the satanic panics are made in Mexico.Report
So much so they’ve been holding parades in honor of it.
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Uggg, this is tiresome….
I think we can all agree that moral panics, whatever their flavor, are bad, and people who encourage them are also bad, good intentions not withstanding.
Be it racism, misogyny, Sharia Law, heavy metal/AD&D, satanism, or butt chugging.
The very fact that any panic has/had some basis in reality (I’m sure some kid out there really was butt chugging) does not EVER mean a panic is valid, because the end state of a panic that is not throttled in the crib[1] is almost always innocent people harmed and poorly thought out laws enacted.
The fact that the woke crowd gets spun up like a parent watching the local evening news over every perceived example of *-ism instead of taking the time to check for context, intent, and possible mitigating factors is a bad thing, and those of us who see panics as bad should be the rational voice in the room.
But like I said up thread, the woke crowd does occasionally find an example of actual *-ism, because Weinstein is real, and that teacher in CA is real, and a whole lot of other examples are real. Sure, the woke crowd rarely finds such examples themselves, but it’s not like they are operating in a fever dream.
Satanists might as well have been snacking on the ergot.
[1] Imagery fully intendedReport
“[1] Imagery fully intended”
Gee thanks for that. /sarcReport
Oh look, some more Satanic Panic, from our favorite MTG.
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1376900032184586245Report
she’s gotta stop hogging the ketamine drip.
save some for the rest of us, mtg!Report
I know, that not sharing, so un-Christian of her.Report
This all makes me think back to this article about Stupid People.Report
Wokism and cancel culture to the extent that they exist, consist of people being self-righteous, narrow-minded, and judgmental. This is unique in human history.Report
Is the GOP threatening companies that criticize vote suppression cancel culture?Report
I’m pretty sure that when the government does it, it’s different.Report