Ah so Bob? So in response to their barbarity we should become barbarians ourselves? Is that is the lesson that the berserk Republicans would proffer and the cowardly Democrats would allow?
The founding Fathers would weep and curse us through their tears.
My icy cold Business Majoring heart is breaking Mike. I disagree on the economics classes though. Micro&Macro Economics should be mandatory as should at least basic finance classes. I found that the world looked very different after those classes at the very least and finance classes will change how you look at credit cards forever. I think the country would benefit greatly if more people had access to at least skeletal versions of those three fields.
I'll cop a guilty plea to that charge Art.
I'm guessing you feel that thousands of American service members lives and a trillion dollars was worth it so that Iraq could have a democratic government? If so we have a lot more countries to go. I'm sure we could throw together a list. Wait weren't we supposed to get a side of Weapons of Mass Destruction with our Kill Saddam/Democratize Iraq happy meal?
That said I'm glad the Iraqi's are pulling it off. Good for them, power to em and all that. My indictments would be against certain former administrations in this country, not against the courageous peeps of Iraq.
Er well neither did I. But they did teach spelling in my highschool and I would guess that they taught it in yours. I would of course love to go down your posts merrily demolishing your assertions but it's important to know what one is getting into before one commits to such an endevor. Especially when there are such copious quantities of assertions to demolish.
While we're referring to interesting articles I'd like to reccomend Freddie's article:
http://wunderkammermag.com/politics-and-society/forgetting-fundamentals-conservatism
It's an very good bit of writing.
I'd love to chat with ya Madmilker, but I'm sorry, your effected "accent" or online voice is kindof throwing me for a loop. Is it intentional or is english your second language?
Well yes I'm certainly not saying that sweatshop labor was the only work there was to do Nob. But all the things we deplore sweatshops for; unsafe working conditions, brutal hours, low wages, employment of children, were completely typical in our own countries until the populations developed enough, both in terms of wealth and in terms of consciousness to be able to demand better treatment. Are we in any position to demand that the current developing world do as we say not as we did so to speak?
A minor point Dex. We've had "sweatshops" for as long as we've had the concept of industrialized labor. It's only in recent times that we as a species have advanced economically to the point where we have the luxury of differentiating "sweatshops" from other factories. A century plus ago we didn't call em sweatshops, they were just the job.
That is certainly a very... interesting read. Very full of character. It's too late to try and touch on the substance of the post, maybe in the morning. Thank you for sharing it.
Hey I'm with you and Zic 100%. Educated shopping choices are vital. Wal-mart extracts not one slim dime from me. But we probably don't have any business dictating those choices to the people who do choose to shop there.
Amen Jay, I can't stand shopping there. But then again as half of a double income no kids urban couple I have to keep in mind that they're not marketing to me.
Joe, I agree they're really crummy. But they serve a function and I don't think they suck or have a bad influence to a degree that is either criminal or requires government intervention through some kind of special regulation.
Okay Joseph, I am well at (or past maybe) the limits of my own knowledge on the subject. Certainly if they are making local governments dance to their tune then it's something I'd deplore and oppose.
Socrates, I don't find that position convincing. Mom & Pop businesses pay their menial laborers minimum wage just like Wal Mart does. It's not like they'd be raking in middle class wages if all the Wal Marts vanished in a puff of smoke.
Well we're not getting simple manufacturing back without either:
A) An enormous trade barrier (and with that a trade war and if history is any guide a real war after that) or
B) Another large jump in automation in which case you're still not getting those jobs back.
Look when you have countries where the populace is willing to work for low low wages you're not going to be able to compete for jobs making little wingdings or basic assembly line stuff. Those jobs are always going to migrate to countries at a lower level of economic development.
On “Compare and Contrast”
Ah so Bob? So in response to their barbarity we should become barbarians ourselves? Is that is the lesson that the berserk Republicans would proffer and the cowardly Democrats would allow?
The founding Fathers would weep and curse us through their tears.
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Very clever that's a good catch. A pity that the conclusion leaves me with ashes in my mouth just like Jay.
On ““Majoring in Idiocy””
My icy cold Business Majoring heart is breaking Mike. I disagree on the economics classes though. Micro&Macro Economics should be mandatory as should at least basic finance classes. I found that the world looked very different after those classes at the very least and finance classes will change how you look at credit cards forever. I think the country would benefit greatly if more people had access to at least skeletal versions of those three fields.
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
You got it Nate. Email notifications? You're a braver man than I.
On “Of Elections and Insurgencies”
I'll cop a guilty plea to that charge Art.
I'm guessing you feel that thousands of American service members lives and a trillion dollars was worth it so that Iraq could have a democratic government? If so we have a lot more countries to go. I'm sure we could throw together a list. Wait weren't we supposed to get a side of Weapons of Mass Destruction with our Kill Saddam/Democratize Iraq happy meal?
That said I'm glad the Iraqi's are pulling it off. Good for them, power to em and all that. My indictments would be against certain former administrations in this country, not against the courageous peeps of Iraq.
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
Also "ornithogalli" has a th in it so you're breaking verbal character.
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Dude! I thought you said you were gone?
Also in your cruel persecution of the letter h shouldn't you be pronouncing the as "te"?
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Er well neither did I. But they did teach spelling in my highschool and I would guess that they taught it in yours. I would of course love to go down your posts merrily demolishing your assertions but it's important to know what one is getting into before one commits to such an endevor. Especially when there are such copious quantities of assertions to demolish.
On “The Unholy Alliance”
While we're referring to interesting articles I'd like to reccomend Freddie's article:
http://wunderkammermag.com/politics-and-society/forgetting-fundamentals-conservatism
It's an very good bit of writing.
On “Of Elections and Insurgencies”
Yeah horray, Iraq is having some elections. It wasn't worth it.
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
I'd love to chat with ya Madmilker, but I'm sorry, your effected "accent" or online voice is kindof throwing me for a loop. Is it intentional or is english your second language?
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So you're asserting Trizzlor that Wal-mart is successful and profitable only because of governmental support?
On “Wealth and moral character”
To be honest that's a considerably more moderate libertarian response than I expected but it is consistent. Thank you for clarifying.
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
Well yes I'm certainly not saying that sweatshop labor was the only work there was to do Nob. But all the things we deplore sweatshops for; unsafe working conditions, brutal hours, low wages, employment of children, were completely typical in our own countries until the populations developed enough, both in terms of wealth and in terms of consciousness to be able to demand better treatment. Are we in any position to demand that the current developing world do as we say not as we did so to speak?
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A minor point Dex. We've had "sweatshops" for as long as we've had the concept of industrialized labor. It's only in recent times that we as a species have advanced economically to the point where we have the luxury of differentiating "sweatshops" from other factories. A century plus ago we didn't call em sweatshops, they were just the job.
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That is certainly a very... interesting read. Very full of character. It's too late to try and touch on the substance of the post, maybe in the morning. Thank you for sharing it.
On “Wealth and moral character”
Post #5 on this list:
http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2010/03/before-resorting-to-markets/#comments
On “A brief defense of Walmart”
Hey I'm with you and Zic 100%. Educated shopping choices are vital. Wal-mart extracts not one slim dime from me. But we probably don't have any business dictating those choices to the people who do choose to shop there.
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Amen Jay, I can't stand shopping there. But then again as half of a double income no kids urban couple I have to keep in mind that they're not marketing to me.
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Joe, I agree they're really crummy. But they serve a function and I don't think they suck or have a bad influence to a degree that is either criminal or requires government intervention through some kind of special regulation.
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Thanks E.D. good arguements.
On “Wealth and moral character”
Okay Joseph, I am well at (or past maybe) the limits of my own knowledge on the subject. Certainly if they are making local governments dance to their tune then it's something I'd deplore and oppose.
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Socrates, I don't find that position convincing. Mom & Pop businesses pay their menial laborers minimum wage just like Wal Mart does. It's not like they'd be raking in middle class wages if all the Wal Marts vanished in a puff of smoke.
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Maybe Mike. You'll not catch me defending socialist economics. By the way, what was your solution to the question of the commons?
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Well we're not getting simple manufacturing back without either:
A) An enormous trade barrier (and with that a trade war and if history is any guide a real war after that) or
B) Another large jump in automation in which case you're still not getting those jobs back.
Look when you have countries where the populace is willing to work for low low wages you're not going to be able to compete for jobs making little wingdings or basic assembly line stuff. Those jobs are always going to migrate to countries at a lower level of economic development.