All of these are true:
Every Trump supporter/official going knew this is what would be said/tone of evening
Wolf went too far in personal attacks, but if it had been funny would have gotten a pass
The walk-out was probably pre-planned, Schlapp especially it comes off hypocritcal since he is as "washington elite" as it gets
The Left is deluding themselves that they are going to out-vulgar or shame Trump to anyone outside their group
The Right, especially Trump supporters and MAGA-land, is absolutely ate up with woe-is-me self-victimization to the point they seek this out
A lot of journalist who try to be fair and professional are starting to notice and speakout/push back on all of the above.
The pull quote in the post of this playing right into Trumps hands is accurate
WHCA has no one to blame but themselves for turning what was once respectable event into the circus it is now.
It's a fair point and a good reference link. Domenech is probably the highest profile of those three but all of them are worth looking into if you are not familiar. There is actually quite a bit of background on RedStates rapid rise from teaparty blog to it's sale to Salem, to the now infamous uninviting of Donald Trump from the 2015 RedState gathering. That last one has a lot of tentacles that extend into this current situation but folks can judge for themselves how far into that they want to delve. In the interest of fairness here is what Erickson wrote today: Whatever you think of the man, I found his openness about taking a financial lost but not regretting doing so refreshingly honest, if nothing else.
There are two strands: The, lets call them "professional Washington" group, that are going to mind meld with whoever is in power at any given moment out of expediency. You will always have them. But then there are some of the folks Trump has brought along, many who always aspired to be in the first group but never got in for various reasons. Those are the ones that are reveling in the Trump moment but will find themselves in no-mans land afterward other the whatever remains of MAGA-land post-Trump.
we talked about it in a previous thread, but with e-reading, which I do a lot of, its almost like I read it too fast. If I am doing something academic or I need to really retain I prefer hardcopy book, at least for me its like I retain the information better and I find it much more enjoyable.
I duck into The Country Bookshop in lovely Southern Pine's NC frequently. Great location among the real gem of a walking district that is Southern Pines. Plus steps away from several of my favorite restaurants.
I was unclear, I agreed with your question and pinky both and my addled brain merged it to your credit by the time it got to my fingers.
Again, using terms that have lost meaning, but "populism" and "culture war"(I'm going to be writing something up on that one soon) are being used as political terms but not in their meaning and intent. This shift you're speaking of is away from policy, and economics, and even ideology. I cannot define it either, but I intuitively feel it, the rush to sameness of name and purpose more so than gathering for a higher goal or cause.
I agree with Chip here. Comments need a "like" button. To the point, I practically stopped using the term "liberal", especially in discussions with conservatives, because most of them 1) don't understand what the term has traditionally meant 2) they immediately have some reaction to the term itself unrelated to what we are discussing and it sidetracks the points 3) they don't think of it as descriptor, only as an insult.
Its a fair question and point because like a lot of terms it really has lost its meaning and even those demanding purity to "conservatism" could mean kissing the Donald's ring or opposing him fully and both mean it. Just using myself as an example I've always considered myself a conservative. But today, and this happens almost daily, I can send out a tweet on a political matter and get accused of being uber liberal from the conservatives, tyrannically right wing by progressives, be called a total c@#$ by the MAGA-land folks all for same thought. I haven't changed a core belief on anything; its tribalism and fealty to personality Trumps (pun intended) all right now and if you don't totally agree with someones niche beliefs you are the enemy. I can put verbatim on a tweet, as I did yesterday with the GOP piece we ran "I don't agree with this but conservatives should read it", meaning hear the other sides points and then where you disagree refine your answer to them, and these giants of intellectual thought start in with that silliness. As if hearing a differing opinion is going to infect you with it. They treat contrary thought as if its small pox. And it leads them to some silly places. To be fair many on the left have the same problem, but with being nominally in power the right really is full of this right now. So what does the term mean? Who knows because the terms are just used to categorize now, not really to define beliefs.
The same thing occurred here, and what upset people was the rural ones (Wal-Mart Expresses that have been ditched in favor of Neighborhood Markets) that were 30-45 minutes out of town where closed and they build new Neighborhood Markets in denser areas in town, in some cases very close to supercenters. Near my house we have a Neighborhood Market and a Supercenter within a few minutes of each other. They tried to permit a third store, (2nd Neighborhood Market) in the same area and they were denied on zoning grounds.
So why are they doing that, especially where it seems to be redundant to store overlap? They have too.
And it’s a signal that the company is taking on a more unified effort to win with grocery-store customers, as shoppers increasingly find newer destinations for food shopping, including the fast-growing dollar store category, as well as more plentiful online options.
Dollar General, for example, has more than 12,000 stores with a small-store footprint that would be very difficult for Wal-Mart to replicate, points out Morningstar in a report analyzing Wal-Mart’s latest move. The closures will allow the Bentonville, Arkansas-based chain to put more resources into its e-commerce efforts, “especially on SKUs that the firm doesn’t sell in stores,” it says in its report.
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“We continue to think that Wal-Mart’s small-format growth will be focused on 30,000- to 40,000-square-foot Neighborhood Market stores that offer a full assortment of groceries and pharmacy products,” the report says. “Growth of this format will allow Wal-Mart to better address competition from traditional grocers such as Kroger, Publix, Ahold, and Delhaize, which have been out-comping Wal-Mart in grocery for some time.”
In that same area we are talking about there are 2 dollar generals, 2 family dollars, and more planned, plus several grocery stores. Their long term plan is to push back in the grocery sector seperatly form the Supercenters but also try to stem their customer bleed in household and low cost goods to the dollar stores. They are going to push the relatively profitable Neighborhod Markets, and start re-tooling the Supercenters into bulk shopping destinations and E-commerce pickup centers. IMO the first stragey will probably work ok, the second will be a disaster.
Not specifically to this reply but pertinent to the thread. Since we are referencing students walk-out/don't walk out decisions I'll insert it here, is how one of my kids' school (This is a 6th grade through 8th grade Middle School) handled the mass walk-out planned after the Parkland shooting. They took one period of the day, and made a mandatory school activity on the athletic field, all students all teachers and staff. No adults outside the of the teachers and staff where permitted. The Student Government Organization was allowed to speak, or designate another student to speak on the actual topic of school safety, the shootings, etc. but no adult was. Students were also given the option if they didn't want to participate in the SGO speaking to walk around the track or other activity on the field. The school SRO's were present and did not allow media or parents not volunteering under normal means to participate. Then they all went back inside. No walking out was permitted at any other time without usual penalties. While not pleasing to all parties, it did seem to balances safety and accountability of the students, letting them express themselves, and also keeping it from becoming a circus. FWIW the high school did something very similar. Curious if there were similar examples or what folks thought of our districts response to "walk-outs."
I see the same thing. And it no longer is just the (R) after the name, is support for Trump himself that is the line of divergence now. Trump is temporary, either 4 or 8 years and he will be gone. All these people changing who they are and building business models and brands around Trump seems very shortsighted to me. Once he is gone, then what? You cashed in and made hay while the Trump sun shined, good for you. But what are you going to do once he is gone and your left with a pro-Trump business with no product to sell?
as we mentioned in another post, the issues we are discussing wouldn't rise the the "closing stores" level for several years if not decades. But they are very real.
Mine are complicated as well, though pro-union people tend to hold a "with us or against us" view so I get where they would view my position as such. That is its own subject worth exploring.
And to be clear, I far prefer a physical, in my hand book to electronic. Part of it is when I'm reading for content, especially in an academic setting, I just read way to fast electronically. I don't know if its just me or the brain knows its different and runs at a different speed, but I don't retain and comprehend nearly as well on electronic mediums.
They are, but the complexity of gaming now I think changes the dynamic a bit.
To your original point one that came up out of no-where, think of App makers/designers.
Similar conversations I submit gamers. A lot of tech people today started their passion for tech from gaming. They are having summer classes at the community colleges for various ages that sell out on game design. Many wont make a living at it, but coding, graphic design, even writing such as story line, there is so much involved it can easily sprout to many areas.
I started out doing Air Trans/Air Mobility in the Air Force before branching into a few other things. Once out, I've been a driver manager for a dedicated trucking company, most recently I did operations for one of the larger LTL carriers.
very fair point. I was envisioning early internet days where how everyone initially learned how to lay out a webpage, as opposed to now where it really is high end graphic design.
Hostess wasn't killed by the strike, years of poor management did that and the strike just sped it up. To the point, four years later they emerged from bankruptcy and went public in 2016. The difference was cutting cost, automating their production, and modernizing their distribution, along with the influx of capitol from selling of some of their brands. Good Example.
The harsh truth is the market prefers Amazon to book stores. Amazon didn't make anyone not go to a bookstore, they offered an alternative and the bookstores did not adjust. Those that did are still around offering things Amazon cannot, thus people still go. Like we discussed with record stores last weekend, those that adapt are still here. Are we going to blame ITunes for killing CD's? Long-distance calling used to be big business in this country. Remember when webpage design was going to be the next big thing in careers? Things change. It is misplaced to blame Amazon for closing businesses. And there is another thing to consider with Amazon; A lot of small business get a lot of reach working through Amazon. And since we started with bookstores, a lot of authors have direct access to the market and even self-publish under the Amazon umbrella of products.
Your right doomed is usually a 20-30 year decline for a company as large as that. Ok, I'll start working it up, try to make it worth y'alls while to read.
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All of these are true:
Every Trump supporter/official going knew this is what would be said/tone of evening
Wolf went too far in personal attacks, but if it had been funny would have gotten a pass
The walk-out was probably pre-planned, Schlapp especially it comes off hypocritcal since he is as "washington elite" as it gets
The Left is deluding themselves that they are going to out-vulgar or shame Trump to anyone outside their group
The Right, especially Trump supporters and MAGA-land, is absolutely ate up with woe-is-me self-victimization to the point they seek this out
A lot of journalist who try to be fair and professional are starting to notice and speakout/push back on all of the above.
The pull quote in the post of this playing right into Trumps hands is accurate
WHCA has no one to blame but themselves for turning what was once respectable event into the circus it is now.
On “#IndependentBookstoreDay”
@saul-degraw The pic with the post is City Lights, so SF is represented well with the list you provide.
On “RedState’s Culling of Trump Critics *UPDATED*”
It's a fair point and a good reference link. Domenech is probably the highest profile of those three but all of them are worth looking into if you are not familiar. There is actually quite a bit of background on RedStates rapid rise from teaparty blog to it's sale to Salem, to the now infamous uninviting of Donald Trump from the 2015 RedState gathering. That last one has a lot of tentacles that extend into this current situation but folks can judge for themselves how far into that they want to delve. In the interest of fairness here is what Erickson wrote today: Whatever you think of the man, I found his openness about taking a financial lost but not regretting doing so refreshingly honest, if nothing else.
"
There are two strands: The, lets call them "professional Washington" group, that are going to mind meld with whoever is in power at any given moment out of expediency. You will always have them. But then there are some of the folks Trump has brought along, many who always aspired to be in the first group but never got in for various reasons. Those are the ones that are reveling in the Trump moment but will find themselves in no-mans land afterward other the whatever remains of MAGA-land post-Trump.
On “#IndependentBookstoreDay”
we talked about it in a previous thread, but with e-reading, which I do a lot of, its almost like I read it too fast. If I am doing something academic or I need to really retain I prefer hardcopy book, at least for me its like I retain the information better and I find it much more enjoyable.
On “Record Store Day 2018”
See the new posting on Independent Bookstore Day that just went up. A lot of the same applies to them as well.
On “#IndependentBookstoreDay”
I duck into The Country Bookshop in lovely Southern Pine's NC frequently. Great location among the real gem of a walking district that is Southern Pines. Plus steps away from several of my favorite restaurants.
On “Let’s Dispel the Myth That Trumpism Is Destroying “Reagan’s GOP””
I was unclear, I agreed with your question and pinky both and my addled brain merged it to your credit by the time it got to my fingers.
Again, using terms that have lost meaning, but "populism" and "culture war"(I'm going to be writing something up on that one soon) are being used as political terms but not in their meaning and intent. This shift you're speaking of is away from policy, and economics, and even ideology. I cannot define it either, but I intuitively feel it, the rush to sameness of name and purpose more so than gathering for a higher goal or cause.
"
I agree with Chip here. Comments need a "like" button. To the point, I practically stopped using the term "liberal", especially in discussions with conservatives, because most of them 1) don't understand what the term has traditionally meant 2) they immediately have some reaction to the term itself unrelated to what we are discussing and it sidetracks the points 3) they don't think of it as descriptor, only as an insult.
On “RedState’s Culling of Trump Critics *UPDATED*”
Its a fair question and point because like a lot of terms it really has lost its meaning and even those demanding purity to "conservatism" could mean kissing the Donald's ring or opposing him fully and both mean it. Just using myself as an example I've always considered myself a conservative. But today, and this happens almost daily, I can send out a tweet on a political matter and get accused of being uber liberal from the conservatives, tyrannically right wing by progressives, be called a total c@#$ by the MAGA-land folks all for same thought. I haven't changed a core belief on anything; its tribalism and fealty to personality Trumps (pun intended) all right now and if you don't totally agree with someones niche beliefs you are the enemy. I can put verbatim on a tweet, as I did yesterday with the GOP piece we ran "I don't agree with this but conservatives should read it", meaning hear the other sides points and then where you disagree refine your answer to them, and these giants of intellectual thought start in with that silliness. As if hearing a differing opinion is going to infect you with it. They treat contrary thought as if its small pox. And it leads them to some silly places. To be fair many on the left have the same problem, but with being nominally in power the right really is full of this right now. So what does the term mean? Who knows because the terms are just used to categorize now, not really to define beliefs.
On “Amazon More Than Doubles Quarterly Profits”
The same thing occurred here, and what upset people was the rural ones (Wal-Mart Expresses that have been ditched in favor of Neighborhood Markets) that were 30-45 minutes out of town where closed and they build new Neighborhood Markets in denser areas in town, in some cases very close to supercenters. Near my house we have a Neighborhood Market and a Supercenter within a few minutes of each other. They tried to permit a third store, (2nd Neighborhood Market) in the same area and they were denied on zoning grounds.
So why are they doing that, especially where it seems to be redundant to store overlap? They have too.
In that same area we are talking about there are 2 dollar generals, 2 family dollars, and more planned, plus several grocery stores. Their long term plan is to push back in the grocery sector seperatly form the Supercenters but also try to stem their customer bleed in household and low cost goods to the dollar stores. They are going to push the relatively profitable Neighborhod Markets, and start re-tooling the Supercenters into bulk shopping destinations and E-commerce pickup centers. IMO the first stragey will probably work ok, the second will be a disaster.
On “When Schools Get Political, What Should Teachers Do?”
Not specifically to this reply but pertinent to the thread. Since we are referencing students walk-out/don't walk out decisions I'll insert it here, is how one of my kids' school (This is a 6th grade through 8th grade Middle School) handled the mass walk-out planned after the Parkland shooting. They took one period of the day, and made a mandatory school activity on the athletic field, all students all teachers and staff. No adults outside the of the teachers and staff where permitted. The Student Government Organization was allowed to speak, or designate another student to speak on the actual topic of school safety, the shootings, etc. but no adult was. Students were also given the option if they didn't want to participate in the SGO speaking to walk around the track or other activity on the field. The school SRO's were present and did not allow media or parents not volunteering under normal means to participate. Then they all went back inside. No walking out was permitted at any other time without usual penalties. While not pleasing to all parties, it did seem to balances safety and accountability of the students, letting them express themselves, and also keeping it from becoming a circus. FWIW the high school did something very similar. Curious if there were similar examples or what folks thought of our districts response to "walk-outs."
On “RedState’s Culling of Trump Critics *UPDATED*”
I see the same thing. And it no longer is just the (R) after the name, is support for Trump himself that is the line of divergence now. Trump is temporary, either 4 or 8 years and he will be gone. All these people changing who they are and building business models and brands around Trump seems very shortsighted to me. Once he is gone, then what? You cashed in and made hay while the Trump sun shined, good for you. But what are you going to do once he is gone and your left with a pro-Trump business with no product to sell?
On “Amazon More Than Doubles Quarterly Profits”
as we mentioned in another post, the issues we are discussing wouldn't rise the the "closing stores" level for several years if not decades. But they are very real.
"
Mine are complicated as well, though pro-union people tend to hold a "with us or against us" view so I get where they would view my position as such. That is its own subject worth exploring.
"
And to be clear, I far prefer a physical, in my hand book to electronic. Part of it is when I'm reading for content, especially in an academic setting, I just read way to fast electronically. I don't know if its just me or the brain knows its different and runs at a different speed, but I don't retain and comprehend nearly as well on electronic mediums.
"
They are, but the complexity of gaming now I think changes the dynamic a bit.
To your original point one that came up out of no-where, think of App makers/designers.
"
Similar conversations I submit gamers. A lot of tech people today started their passion for tech from gaming. They are having summer classes at the community colleges for various ages that sell out on game design. Many wont make a living at it, but coding, graphic design, even writing such as story line, there is so much involved it can easily sprout to many areas.
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Well done. That you for sharing that after I struggle over the title.
On “Amazon More Than Doubles Quarterly Profits”
I started out doing Air Trans/Air Mobility in the Air Force before branching into a few other things. Once out, I've been a driver manager for a dedicated trucking company, most recently I did operations for one of the larger LTL carriers.
"
very fair point. I was envisioning early internet days where how everyone initially learned how to lay out a webpage, as opposed to now where it really is high end graphic design.
"
Which link are you referring too?
Hostess wasn't killed by the strike, years of poor management did that and the strike just sped it up. To the point, four years later they emerged from bankruptcy and went public in 2016. The difference was cutting cost, automating their production, and modernizing their distribution, along with the influx of capitol from selling of some of their brands. Good Example.
"
Duly noted, we will see about getting some news worth business related items in the rotation.
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The harsh truth is the market prefers Amazon to book stores. Amazon didn't make anyone not go to a bookstore, they offered an alternative and the bookstores did not adjust. Those that did are still around offering things Amazon cannot, thus people still go. Like we discussed with record stores last weekend, those that adapt are still here. Are we going to blame ITunes for killing CD's? Long-distance calling used to be big business in this country. Remember when webpage design was going to be the next big thing in careers? Things change. It is misplaced to blame Amazon for closing businesses. And there is another thing to consider with Amazon; A lot of small business get a lot of reach working through Amazon. And since we started with bookstores, a lot of authors have direct access to the market and even self-publish under the Amazon umbrella of products.
"
Your right doomed is usually a 20-30 year decline for a company as large as that. Ok, I'll start working it up, try to make it worth y'alls while to read.