Short to medium term most likely but the calls for Israel not to respond to Hamas and Hezbollah have been quick. I think the growing expectation is that the International Community does want Israel to soak up a lot of the terrorism against it and just wait until the terrorist tire themselves out.
Even if they don't care about the Settlements, most Israelis probably believe that the WB Palestinians are well behaved because Israel is there and not because of anything that the Palestinians are doing.
The Iranian Clerical Regime has to be positively spooked now. Israel managed to get rid of Ismail Haniyeh in Iran itself, the pager incident with Hezbollah, and now Nasrallah gone. All their imperial proxies are defeated and prostrate.
This is now but an Israeli withdrawal doesn't mean that things will stay this way. It could be that the WB Palestinians have been chastised but Hamas does have a presence there and attempted minor attacks from Tulkarm during the Israel-Hamas War. The average Israeli took the message that they basically have nobody who can guarantee even cold peace security and will require a lot to make them want to work with the Palestinians again.
There are 15 million Jews and 2 billion Muslims globally speaking. The number of anti-Semites in the United States alone globally outnumbers the number of Jews. You can find anti-Semitic propaganda just about everywhere including places that never even had a Jewish population. "The Demon Jew is out to get you" is a popular belief held by tens or hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of people. How are Jews not a vulnerable minority?
I wouldn't like it but if people could just come out and say that Jews need to accept a certain amount of anti-Semitism and Israel a certain amount of terrorism than we would at least be starting with that.
I am not saying that Israel is David but Hezbollah has spent the better part of a year firing rockets into Israel and dislodging 60,000 people from north Israel, you know part of the greeline and nowhere near the West Bank or Gaza, from their homes. As people relatively sympathetic to Israel on LGM pointed out if Canada was lobbying rockets in Washington than everybody would expect the United States to invade Canada rather than take it out.
One of the pro-Israel posters on LGM made a good point that the problem with liberal minded people trying to solve the I/P conflict or really many other conflcits is that they are doing this by Star Trek/Doctor Who logic where war is so inherently horrible that nobody who is good is supposed to like it rather than how war and diplomacy operate in the real world. I call this a big failed application of Secret Disney Liberalism. There are just too many people that can't imagine that either Hamas ane Hezbollah are being serious or that Israel would prefer fighting to be secure.
There is an assumption that the Palestinians and others would want to be productive with their independence. Many might but there is a big faction that defines being productive as going after Jaffa, Haifa, and Be'er Sheva next. Like Lebanon, the Palestinian state might simply be too weak to go after the dead enders or unwilling to do so because it doesn't want to start a civil war.
The strongest argument against Zionism is that Israel destabilizes the meaning. The problem with that argument though it is basically arguing that Jews need to take it for the sake of the world but doesn't want to come out and say it. The MENA states might give their Jews paper citizenship but they wouldn't be included in the political community because they aren't Muslim. They would at best just sort of be there. Jews in Europe after WWII would be stuck in hostile Communist regimes and also just kind of be there. The minority that can not be recognized as a minority because reasons.
My theory and it is mine is that people expect Jews to deal with a certain amount of anti-Semitism and Israel to deal with a certain amount of terrorism and by a certain amount, they mean quite a lot. Nobody will ever do anything about it. The ostensibly anti-racist people are too paralyzed by their various imperatives to do anything about white right anti-Semitism and when anti-Semitism comes from the Left, non-whites, or Muslims they are completely paralyzed. The idea of Jews as a vulnerable minority so disturbs them that the Unite the Right's explicit anti-Semitism got turned into anti-racism. When it comes from non-whites who believe that Jews led the slave trade or some other such nonsense, they don't even know where to begin. Useless, just useless. Can't talk about it, can't do anything about it.
We see this with Israel. The premise was land for peace. The Second Intifada and the aftermath of the Gaza withdrawal combined has convinced Israelis that they have nobody who can promise real peace and security to them. Like Israel isn't going to want to withdraw from the West Bank even if they don't care about the Settlements if it meant that rockets will be fired from Tulkarm into Netanya at a regular basis. Instead what the world wants is for the creation for a Palestinian state and Israel to soak upon any dead ender or Islamist stupidity until they get better and work it out of their systems. Thw world also doesn't want to come out and say this because they know it sounds bad and also they don't want to say anything that can be construed as racist or Islamophobic. Useless, just useless.
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations seems to have given quite a speech today. It has been making the grounds on Jewish groups I belong to. My theory and it is mine, and I'm also prone to these feelings personally, is that October 7th acted as a straw that broke the camel's back not only in Israel but also in Diaspora Jewish communities. Most of us are simply fed up with all the anti-Semites. It doesn't matter if they are Islamists like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian clerical regime, white supremacists, or the increasingly anti-Semitic Further Left. If the world wants Jews to deal with a certain amount of anti-Semitism and violence against us than they should just come out and say so rather just expecting it but wanting to be silent about the expectations.
The Hack Gap in one simple story. Russians hack Clinton's campaign emails and give info to Republicans and the press and they use it against Clinton. Iranians hack Trump's campaign emails, which most likely contain a lot more juicy material than Podesta's risotto recipe, and Biden's DOJ goes after the Iranians.
Yet, climate change isn't real. The Right's stubborn denial of climate change and the Left's insane refusal to go nuclear and insist on green energy are going to be the death of a lot of people.Same with the car cult.
This sort of discussions without context of Israel's actions is common. Like I mentioned below, I saw Al Jazeera write about how Israel is about to invade Lebanon like Gaza "but why?" No mention of October 7 or Hezbollah's rockets. Just Israel getting up and doing bad stuff for no reason.
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On “Open Mic for the week of 9/23/2024”
Short to medium term most likely but the calls for Israel not to respond to Hamas and Hezbollah have been quick. I think the growing expectation is that the International Community does want Israel to soak up a lot of the terrorism against it and just wait until the terrorist tire themselves out.
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There has been negative criticism but also positive criticism.
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Even if they don't care about the Settlements, most Israelis probably believe that the WB Palestinians are well behaved because Israel is there and not because of anything that the Palestinians are doing.
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The Iranian Clerical Regime has to be positively spooked now. Israel managed to get rid of Ismail Haniyeh in Iran itself, the pager incident with Hezbollah, and now Nasrallah gone. All their imperial proxies are defeated and prostrate.
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This is now but an Israeli withdrawal doesn't mean that things will stay this way. It could be that the WB Palestinians have been chastised but Hamas does have a presence there and attempted minor attacks from Tulkarm during the Israel-Hamas War. The average Israeli took the message that they basically have nobody who can guarantee even cold peace security and will require a lot to make them want to work with the Palestinians again.
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The sitcom actress Patricia Heaton has been apparently advocating for non-Jews to put a mezuzah on their door as a sign of allyship:
https://forward.com/fast-forward/657270/patricia-heaton-myzuzah-yourzuzah-mezuzah-campaign/
From what I can tell Jews are confused about what to think about this because Jews usually don't get these types of allyship rituals.
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Wikipedia says that 30% of the population is Marionite:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Maronite_Christians
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Good.
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NY Post had a good headline for Mayor Adam's arrest:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd5ab357b3dd5d7613893e48f9df7cf4a84d8e56e72dc4fd7858541af09e37f1.jpg
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There are 15 million Jews and 2 billion Muslims globally speaking. The number of anti-Semites in the United States alone globally outnumbers the number of Jews. You can find anti-Semitic propaganda just about everywhere including places that never even had a Jewish population. "The Demon Jew is out to get you" is a popular belief held by tens or hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of people. How are Jews not a vulnerable minority?
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I wouldn't like it but if people could just come out and say that Jews need to accept a certain amount of anti-Semitism and Israel a certain amount of terrorism than we would at least be starting with that.
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Kushner's trust, i mean hedge, fund has received $112 million from Saudis in fees for nothing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/25/us/politics/kushner-private-equity-saudi-arabia.html?smid=tw-share
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I am not saying that Israel is David but Hezbollah has spent the better part of a year firing rockets into Israel and dislodging 60,000 people from north Israel, you know part of the greeline and nowhere near the West Bank or Gaza, from their homes. As people relatively sympathetic to Israel on LGM pointed out if Canada was lobbying rockets in Washington than everybody would expect the United States to invade Canada rather than take it out.
One of the pro-Israel posters on LGM made a good point that the problem with liberal minded people trying to solve the I/P conflict or really many other conflcits is that they are doing this by Star Trek/Doctor Who logic where war is so inherently horrible that nobody who is good is supposed to like it rather than how war and diplomacy operate in the real world. I call this a big failed application of Secret Disney Liberalism. There are just too many people that can't imagine that either Hamas ane Hezbollah are being serious or that Israel would prefer fighting to be secure.
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That is the other big problem.
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There is an assumption that the Palestinians and others would want to be productive with their independence. Many might but there is a big faction that defines being productive as going after Jaffa, Haifa, and Be'er Sheva next. Like Lebanon, the Palestinian state might simply be too weak to go after the dead enders or unwilling to do so because it doesn't want to start a civil war.
The strongest argument against Zionism is that Israel destabilizes the meaning. The problem with that argument though it is basically arguing that Jews need to take it for the sake of the world but doesn't want to come out and say it. The MENA states might give their Jews paper citizenship but they wouldn't be included in the political community because they aren't Muslim. They would at best just sort of be there. Jews in Europe after WWII would be stuck in hostile Communist regimes and also just kind of be there. The minority that can not be recognized as a minority because reasons.
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My theory and it is mine is that people expect Jews to deal with a certain amount of anti-Semitism and Israel to deal with a certain amount of terrorism and by a certain amount, they mean quite a lot. Nobody will ever do anything about it. The ostensibly anti-racist people are too paralyzed by their various imperatives to do anything about white right anti-Semitism and when anti-Semitism comes from the Left, non-whites, or Muslims they are completely paralyzed. The idea of Jews as a vulnerable minority so disturbs them that the Unite the Right's explicit anti-Semitism got turned into anti-racism. When it comes from non-whites who believe that Jews led the slave trade or some other such nonsense, they don't even know where to begin. Useless, just useless. Can't talk about it, can't do anything about it.
We see this with Israel. The premise was land for peace. The Second Intifada and the aftermath of the Gaza withdrawal combined has convinced Israelis that they have nobody who can promise real peace and security to them. Like Israel isn't going to want to withdraw from the West Bank even if they don't care about the Settlements if it meant that rockets will be fired from Tulkarm into Netanya at a regular basis. Instead what the world wants is for the creation for a Palestinian state and Israel to soak upon any dead ender or Islamist stupidity until they get better and work it out of their systems. Thw world also doesn't want to come out and say this because they know it sounds bad and also they don't want to say anything that can be construed as racist or Islamophobic. Useless, just useless.
"
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations seems to have given quite a speech today. It has been making the grounds on Jewish groups I belong to. My theory and it is mine, and I'm also prone to these feelings personally, is that October 7th acted as a straw that broke the camel's back not only in Israel but also in Diaspora Jewish communities. Most of us are simply fed up with all the anti-Semites. It doesn't matter if they are Islamists like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian clerical regime, white supremacists, or the increasingly anti-Semitic Further Left. If the world wants Jews to deal with a certain amount of anti-Semitism and violence against us than they should just come out and say so rather just expecting it but wanting to be silent about the expectations.
"
The Hack Gap in one simple story. Russians hack Clinton's campaign emails and give info to Republicans and the press and they use it against Clinton. Iranians hack Trump's campaign emails, which most likely contain a lot more juicy material than Podesta's risotto recipe, and Biden's DOJ goes after the Iranians.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/26/trump-campaign-hack-iran-indictment-00181321
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January 6th dossier to be released:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/26/jack-smith-trump-investigation-dossier-00181108
On “Livestream: Hurricane Helene”
Yet, climate change isn't real. The Right's stubborn denial of climate change and the Left's insane refusal to go nuclear and insist on green energy are going to be the death of a lot of people.Same with the car cult.
On “Open Mic for the week of 9/23/2024”
Yep, that's it.
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Corrupt business person: "Mayor Adams, would you do this illegal thing for $1 million in bit coin."
Mayor AdamsL "A million in bit coin, sure."
Corrupt business person: "One dollar in bit coin?"
Mayor Adams: "Who do you think I am?"
Corrupt business persons: "We already established who you are, now we are just negotiating over price."
On “Why a Trump Loss is Best for Conservatives”
Or they happen to be actual Muslims and don't really get the limits they are operating under.
On “Open Mic for the week of 9/23/2024”
This is very much kidding but not kidding:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb70ebc15764b0a60ed92d6dd60b60561ed3b7f0b5f1cbe2c791bccd0e8c7a9f.jpg
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This sort of discussions without context of Israel's actions is common. Like I mentioned below, I saw Al Jazeera write about how Israel is about to invade Lebanon like Gaza "but why?" No mention of October 7 or Hezbollah's rockets. Just Israel getting up and doing bad stuff for no reason.
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