It may also be true - as is frighteningly common - that schools are responding to contradictory laws the best way they can. We have to navigate this all the time in the federal space. Assuming the school is forthcoming with its administrative record in court, you may indeed find the school was legally backed into a corner and made the best call it could.
YOur biggest weakness is that you look at polling saying between 60 and 70 percent of Americans want Roe preserved in some fashion, including significant numbers of independents and Republicans, and still believe that people won't vote against the party, if not the politicians, that take it away from them.
And we know what the fallout from a Republican wave will be since that's what we got when Trump came to power and Republicans ran both the senate and the House. People don't need to do it again to be reminded.
SO do house and senate elections. And that's my point. If what Texas has done - and Oklahoma etc now holds how many women in the independent and moderate Republican category will vote for people who can be easily associated with a Party that is taking their rights? Congress should act. Congress needs to act - on this and a whole host of other things. But if Roe gets trashed and all a GOP house candidate has to offer is a shrug - thats not gonna play well in a general no matter how the maps are drawn.
It will definitely boost turnout. And with a good many independents and even a plurality of Republicans polling consistently in support of Roe, the anti-abortion crowd is going to have a hard time telling people they are the best replacements representatives since they clearly won't be representing a position held by many if not a majority of their constituents.
3. I suspect there might be one or two changes of party, but its doubtful you will see a significant swing.
4. Democrats eeck out enough wins against bad but Trump endorsed candidates to keep a majority in the single digits. As Saul rightly notes, of Roe is overturned and more women keep being arrested - especially crossing state lines to seek legal abortions elsewhere - the GOP will have dug themselves a huge hole. Plus, despite polling, the economy is still improving and the last Covid restrictions are lifting (Feds have to start returning to offices nationally on Monday). That means we head into the summer on an upturn that is fairly easy to message.
5. The senate remains as it is.
6. Six of eight pass their referenda, and nothing changes federally. The aforementioned reelected Senators still refuse to vote for cloture, and the FDA doesn't start rulemaking. A good many pharmaceutical companies get richer however.
The Florida Department of Health is advising against any gender-affirming care for children and adolescents in new guidelines that are contrary to direction from major medical associations and federal health officials.
According to the guidance, released Wednesday, children who identify as transgender or gender diverse shouldn't be offered social transition care -- the process in which a child or adolescent adopts a name, gender pronouns and clothing that match their gender identity -- nor should they be offered puberty blockers, hormone therapy or gender reassignment surgery.
Gender reassignment surgery is a treatment not generally offered to children.
Major medical associations -- including the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry -- also agree that gender-affirming care is clinically appropriate for children and adults and can be life-saving.
The Florida legislature on Thursday gave final passage to a pair of bills aimed at Disney, weeks into the company's feud with Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis over its objections to a new law that limits certain classroom discussion on sexual orientation and gender identity.
Republicans sponsors, often unable to give detailed answers to questions about financial and legal implications of the legislation during floor discussions, suggested that the legislature could work through logistics of the dissolution over the next year.
"The debt service alone for Reedy Creek is over a billion dollars," Farmer said Wednesday. "This bill makes no provision as to how that debt service is going to be assumed. Local government entities must pick up assets and liabilities of any special district that is dissolved."
Democratic state Rep. Fentrice Driskell told CNN just before the votes happened on Thursday, "It's going to cost the government in Orange County and Osceola Counties and therefore the tax payers billions of dollars, I'm talking an additional tax burden that's estimated $2,200 to $2,800 per family."
so that fact that you inform us that sometimes it does only underscores that their reasons for concern (again, given their viewpoint which differs so widely from yours) have basis in reality.
You are not reading what I and other are clearly writing. Teachers, in, of, and by themselves, are not doing anything that we can find to "prepare" anyone for anything. At most they are unquestioningly accepting a student's statements about who the student feels they are, and they are keeping things that student shares in confidence as confidential unless they have a duty to report. No one in this very long thread - including the OP - has provided a single shred of actual verifiable evidence of anything else occurring, much less anything that would rise to the use of the word "grooming" to prepare a child to be sexually molested.
So yes, a very small minority of parents MAY be fearing this irrationally based on propaganda fed to them by scurrilous politicians who are only doing it to keep power. They aren't arriving at that based on what's happening in their distracts or anywhere else.
Here it is about fear that social-emotional interventions are being done without parents’ consent into individual students’ lives meant to change the trajectory of their identity formation in ways extremely foreign to those parents worldviews and beliefs about socialization and human nature.
I didn’t give evidence to justify the concern because I’m not making the argument that they’re right. I’m clarifying the nature of the concern at issue here against your mischaracterization of it.
And those fears are being politicized by state legislators and governors in what we see as badly overbroad laws which do not appear to be factually based. Which is why we keep asking for examples and citations. That none are produced, even by people simply claiming to clarify arguments is very telling.
And some of y'all refuse to acknowledge the science that says they are one part of a several part solution.
Take the much ballyhoo'ed air filtration - sure, you can get COVID particles out of common space air if you move it enough and force it through enough HEPA filters. Most commercial and governmental buildings in the US aren't equipped to do this, and it would cost hundred's of billions of someone's dollars to make the change over (and take years). That wasn't a practical response at the height of the pandemic, but all the science says masks were and are - with differing types of masks having differing effectiveness. Now that we have tested proven vaccines and apparently effective anti-virals, we can and should look at building air filtration. But again that's gonna cost a lot of money and take a lot of time. So lets not toss masks as a solution just yet huh?
I would like to know why Trump could make a vaccine in 8(?) months starting from nothing and we still don’t have an update.
He threw a billion dollars at it and promised to buy it when it was finished. Which Biden did. Its the one thing about the pandemic response trump got right. And any other President would have been handed a second term for that.
I agree with you that she would do very well in both the primary and the general. Every thing I've read from her however says she won't run because she's basically a social introvert who detests the process.
The concern is that psychological preparation of public school students is being done, without parental consent, that is meant or can lead to the eventual chemical or physical mutilation of their sex organs.
That's never ben what happened though. Saying that trans people are human, and deserving of love, respect and equal place in society is not driving or grooming any child to do anything other be, oh I don't know, good Christians who love their neighbors as themselves.
Gender affirming surgery - which is still a statistical rarity for minors - is not "mutilating their sex organs." Its a clinically supported physical treatment for gender dysphoria that occurs after years of counseling my professionals, institution of hormone therapy and presenting/living as the better aligned gender for at least a year. You defining it as mutilation is flaming transphobia.
And it doesn't happen to children without parental involvement & consent. Which is why Texas, as a matter of state policy, want parents, psychologists and doctors who are working as a team supporting transgendered children to be investigated for child abuse.
This occurring in school environments where more common forms of staff sexual assault against students are also a frequent reality.
And there are already laws on the books to address that. If those laws are not being stringently enforced, these new laws won't actually change this situation.
Some view such an outcome as sexual abuse. And the issue is psychological preparation for that abuse.
Again, I can't get to abuse by teaching someone that transgendered people are deserving of love, respect and dignity. Which is at most what students are "being prepared for." The assumption that it is abuse, and that such discussion will always lead to "abuse" is the problem, not the existence or support of transgendered persons.
Liberals don't believe the election was stolen. We do believe - and the DoJ has publicly presented Evidence - that bad foreign actors worked to influence the outcome. Further we do believe that one candidate welcomed, and possibly worked actively with that bad foreign actor. Again based on publicly available evidence.
We don't have a good idea about the number of black people killed by police because such data is badly reported, but we do know that what's publicly available as data says out of proportion to their percentage in the population, and substantially less then the number of white people by proportion of population.
As to the difference between a man and a woman - there are 6 genetic genders. What would you like us to call the other 4?
Good. There are a lot of lower court ruling arising out of the pandemic that seem to be overly restrictive of the Executive Branch. Might be best for that to get settled for a while.
I knew a great deal about my teacher's live, because they wove anecdotes of their experiences into their lessons, particularly in US history and Civics - though my literature/English teachers did as well. My high school band teacher always told about his gigs - he was a working jazz musician on the side. If your teachers didn't share their humanity, more's the pity.
Most of the federal government is still on maximum telework. My agency starts two months of return to work next week. Everyone has to be back to some sort of hybrid with a certain number of days in the office by mid June.
Part of me wants to keep a running log somewhere of all these stories . . . but they won't convince the people who need convincing. Plus that's basically Google . . . .
Based on the Florida Man experience (!) I think a lot of these are intentionally badly crafted, so that they will be sued over them. They politicians seem to think tat after workign 40 years to pack out the federal judiciary they should let the judiciary use these laws to take down the parts of the New Deal and the Civil Rights Movement they feel threatened by.
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It may also be true - as is frighteningly common - that schools are responding to contradictory laws the best way they can. We have to navigate this all the time in the federal space. Assuming the school is forthcoming with its administrative record in court, you may indeed find the school was legally backed into a corner and made the best call it could.
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YOur biggest weakness is that you look at polling saying between 60 and 70 percent of Americans want Roe preserved in some fashion, including significant numbers of independents and Republicans, and still believe that people won't vote against the party, if not the politicians, that take it away from them.
And we know what the fallout from a Republican wave will be since that's what we got when Trump came to power and Republicans ran both the senate and the House. People don't need to do it again to be reminded.
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SO do house and senate elections. And that's my point. If what Texas has done - and Oklahoma etc now holds how many women in the independent and moderate Republican category will vote for people who can be easily associated with a Party that is taking their rights? Congress should act. Congress needs to act - on this and a whole host of other things. But if Roe gets trashed and all a GOP house candidate has to offer is a shrug - thats not gonna play well in a general no matter how the maps are drawn.
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some thing, something, something, ITS really BAD if you pass the bill without knowing what's in it, something, something, Pelosi, something, something
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It will definitely boost turnout. And with a good many independents and even a plurality of Republicans polling consistently in support of Roe, the anti-abortion crowd is going to have a hard time telling people they are the best replacements representatives since they clearly won't be representing a position held by many if not a majority of their constituents.
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Cali had rich Republicans who are tired of Dems governing but who can't win elections.
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1. No.
2. Doubtful.
3. I suspect there might be one or two changes of party, but its doubtful you will see a significant swing.
4. Democrats eeck out enough wins against bad but Trump endorsed candidates to keep a majority in the single digits. As Saul rightly notes, of Roe is overturned and more women keep being arrested - especially crossing state lines to seek legal abortions elsewhere - the GOP will have dug themselves a huge hole. Plus, despite polling, the economy is still improving and the last Covid restrictions are lifting (Feds have to start returning to offices nationally on Monday). That means we head into the summer on an upturn that is fairly easy to message.
5. The senate remains as it is.
6. Six of eight pass their referenda, and nothing changes federally. The aforementioned reelected Senators still refuse to vote for cloture, and the FDA doesn't start rulemaking. A good many pharmaceutical companies get richer however.
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I note that Republicans put the start date well after the mid-terms . . . .
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And adding this:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/20/health/florida-gender-affirming-care-health-department-guidance/index.html
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Appropos of nothing:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/politics/disney-florida-special-status/index.html
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You are not reading what I and other are clearly writing. Teachers, in, of, and by themselves, are not doing anything that we can find to "prepare" anyone for anything. At most they are unquestioningly accepting a student's statements about who the student feels they are, and they are keeping things that student shares in confidence as confidential unless they have a duty to report. No one in this very long thread - including the OP - has provided a single shred of actual verifiable evidence of anything else occurring, much less anything that would rise to the use of the word "grooming" to prepare a child to be sexually molested.
So yes, a very small minority of parents MAY be fearing this irrationally based on propaganda fed to them by scurrilous politicians who are only doing it to keep power. They aren't arriving at that based on what's happening in their distracts or anywhere else.
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And those fears are being politicized by state legislators and governors in what we see as badly overbroad laws which do not appear to be factually based. Which is why we keep asking for examples and citations. That none are produced, even by people simply claiming to clarify arguments is very telling.
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And some of y'all refuse to acknowledge the science that says they are one part of a several part solution.
Take the much ballyhoo'ed air filtration - sure, you can get COVID particles out of common space air if you move it enough and force it through enough HEPA filters. Most commercial and governmental buildings in the US aren't equipped to do this, and it would cost hundred's of billions of someone's dollars to make the change over (and take years). That wasn't a practical response at the height of the pandemic, but all the science says masks were and are - with differing types of masks having differing effectiveness. Now that we have tested proven vaccines and apparently effective anti-virals, we can and should look at building air filtration. But again that's gonna cost a lot of money and take a lot of time. So lets not toss masks as a solution just yet huh?
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He threw a billion dollars at it and promised to buy it when it was finished. Which Biden did. Its the one thing about the pandemic response trump got right. And any other President would have been handed a second term for that.
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I agree with you that she would do very well in both the primary and the general. Every thing I've read from her however says she won't run because she's basically a social introvert who detests the process.
I also agree with your designations as Clowns.
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This is particularly true for kids with older siblings. And pretending it isn't has huge and damaging consequences to child development.
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That's never ben what happened though. Saying that trans people are human, and deserving of love, respect and equal place in society is not driving or grooming any child to do anything other be, oh I don't know, good Christians who love their neighbors as themselves.
Gender affirming surgery - which is still a statistical rarity for minors - is not "mutilating their sex organs." Its a clinically supported physical treatment for gender dysphoria that occurs after years of counseling my professionals, institution of hormone therapy and presenting/living as the better aligned gender for at least a year. You defining it as mutilation is flaming transphobia.
And it doesn't happen to children without parental involvement & consent. Which is why Texas, as a matter of state policy, want parents, psychologists and doctors who are working as a team supporting transgendered children to be investigated for child abuse.
And there are already laws on the books to address that. If those laws are not being stringently enforced, these new laws won't actually change this situation.
Again, I can't get to abuse by teaching someone that transgendered people are deserving of love, respect and dignity. Which is at most what students are "being prepared for." The assumption that it is abuse, and that such discussion will always lead to "abuse" is the problem, not the existence or support of transgendered persons.
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In Texas, probably given a medal.
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Liberals don't believe the election was stolen. We do believe - and the DoJ has publicly presented Evidence - that bad foreign actors worked to influence the outcome. Further we do believe that one candidate welcomed, and possibly worked actively with that bad foreign actor. Again based on publicly available evidence.
We don't have a good idea about the number of black people killed by police because such data is badly reported, but we do know that what's publicly available as data says out of proportion to their percentage in the population, and substantially less then the number of white people by proportion of population.
As to the difference between a man and a woman - there are 6 genetic genders. What would you like us to call the other 4?
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Good. There are a lot of lower court ruling arising out of the pandemic that seem to be overly restrictive of the Executive Branch. Might be best for that to get settled for a while.
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I knew a great deal about my teacher's live, because they wove anecdotes of their experiences into their lessons, particularly in US history and Civics - though my literature/English teachers did as well. My high school band teacher always told about his gigs - he was a working jazz musician on the side. If your teachers didn't share their humanity, more's the pity.
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Most of the federal government is still on maximum telework. My agency starts two months of return to work next week. Everyone has to be back to some sort of hybrid with a certain number of days in the office by mid June.
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Part of me wants to keep a running log somewhere of all these stories . . . but they won't convince the people who need convincing. Plus that's basically Google . . . .
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In many many ways
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Based on the Florida Man experience (!) I think a lot of these are intentionally badly crafted, so that they will be sued over them. They politicians seem to think tat after workign 40 years to pack out the federal judiciary they should let the judiciary use these laws to take down the parts of the New Deal and the Civil Rights Movement they feel threatened by.