“We need to be confident, like the left is, that we are the natural governing party because our ideas are in alignment with basic American principles, and quit treating middle class, working class, or rural Americans like an interest group to be mollified by symbolic, substance-free BS.”
Is it really possible that Ruffini doesn't understand that a mob imposing religious mores on other citizens is simply not in alignment with basic American principles?
The socon agenda is the foul black gangreneous limb of conservatism.
"Reform" conservatism cannot exist without an amputation.
I too think the 80% strategy is magical thinking.
It is reminiscent of the trope-- " America is a CENTER RIGHT nation".
Apparently, we are actually a center left nation, pace 2008.
More campfire songs.
When you think about it, a majority built around this solid middle-American base should beat the disjointed liberal rich/poor coalition.
Except....the middle is shrinking.
instead of being 4std away from the mean, it's 2std and shrinkin' to 1.
Perhaps it looked like 32/50/18 in 2004......now it looks more like 32/28/40.....and the increase is shaved from the higher SES higher IQ right side of the distribution.....college educated and the high IQ youth are two lost demographics the GOP can ill afford to lose.
Interesting to overlay SES, education, or political affiliation over the bellcurve of IQ
As is my mischeivous wont, I am forced to point out that part of what we are seeing is stratification due to IQ. There are simply a lot more lowbrows in conservatism. Hmmm....could religious belief be the hidden variable?
lmfao
How is populism different from mob rule?
Limbaugh is simply Kylon and his followers the First Democrats..... that massacred the Pythagoreans.
Ditch the elephant.....the new republican crest is a pitchfork rampant with a torch gules.
"It is, to the conservative, a fundamental change in a critical cultural and social institution that has evolved from the combined understanding and knowledge of countless generations"
The prevailing normative form of marriage in history was polygamy and dominated from the EEA to the advent of agriculture, many hundreds of thousands of years.
It persists in the "sacred books" of the monotheist religions.
By your argument polygamy should be the preferred form of marriage for conservatives.
Or in other words....Will is perfectly cognizant that the core values endorsed by the conservative base are repulsive, anti-humanist, anti-thetical to both liberalism and libertarianism..... and illiberal, and he is still committed to collaboration.
Fine, you invited the vampires into the house.
The only way to get rid of them now is to stake them thru the heart, and since you don't have the nads to do that, you're going to have to burn the house down.
Is agreement over first principles or agreement over immediate policy a more durable basis for political collaboration?
Well....I was really personally hopin' for the Falwell head to fall off, but it looks like Will thinks the monster can keep staggering along for a while.
No need for killing, Mark.
Right now the GOP is a dying two-headed monster staggering along in its deaththroes. The hideous monster consists of Thom Jefferson's body with an extra Jerry Falwell head crudely sewn onto its right shoulder.
The monster's blood boils with leucocytes and t-cells fighting rejection battles between two deeply incompatible ideologies.
Eventually one of the stinking supporating heads will undergo organ rejection and fall off.
i wasn't going to comment here anymore...but the answer to chris' question about combatting movement liberalism is gobsmacking simple.
Don't be the party of freedom for one religion, be the party of freedom for all religions.
Don't be the pro-family party just for white judeo-xian man/woman marriage families, be the pro-family party for all varieties of families.
Not sure if that is possible given the composition of your base, but it is the simple solution.
okfine.
;)
Can't take the truthsay, can you?
It is painful for me to read your labored devious apologia anyway.
Like being forced to watch ugly naked people.
Answer my question Mark.
When have we seen Dawkins lobbying for equal time to expound on his theories after the sermon at Saddleback?
Behave in a manner worthy of respect and we shall respect you.
Otherwise, not so much.
Chris i am a practicing Sufi and my religion is personal and private.
I find the lot of you chrisianist triumphalist proselytizers prancing and braying in the public square profoundly disgusting.
But then, as my shayyk has said, Man cannot acquire what he cannot use.
A reason that both Dawkins and I lose out tempers in this debate is the profound dishonesty and/or self delusion practiced by the superstitionalists. This law was passed with overwhelming support in both houses and signed by Bobby Jindal who should certainly know better.
And funded by the DI who stands to benefit from crappy textbook sales.
How are we to respect you when you don't respect yourselves?
Either you are liars or mortally stupid.
Again, Mark, Dawkins is not trying to push his theories into churches is he?
Is he demanding equal time after the sermon at Saddleback?
You reinforce my stereotypes.
Quit whining and do the heavy lifting of research and academic street cred or just STFU.
I see things clear.
You are the delusional one Kain.
Look at the law Jindal signed on in Louisiana.
The only thing that law will accomplish is forcing already impoverished school districts to buy the DI's crappy textbook.
Every single congressman signed on that stupid bill, and Gov. Jindal did too.
What im saying is the absolute truth.
Who started this turf war?
Did Dawkins go into churches and start preachin'?
No.
Keep religion in churches or do teh heavy lifting in unis where students have a choice.
Dawkins is perfectly cognizant of the reasons behind forcing religion on the 7 to 13 year olds.
He envisions it as child abuse, stunting and blinkering young minds.
I do not think the God Delusion is over the top, and Meyers and the wafer were a reaction to a particular situ.
OTOH Derbyshire called "Expelled" a blood libel against science.
Like i said......get off our turf and stay in your churches and bible colleges, or make your bones in academe.
Simple choice.
Like I said, its all about respect.
Teh believers want religion to have peer respect with Science, and that isn't possible. So as long as teh religious try to force respect, often thru nefarious and dishonest methods, like the Discovery Institute, they will continue to accrue mockery and scorn.
IDT is actually where quantum physics was 50 years ago.
And now look....high schoolteachers in my state need 3 credit hours of quantum mechanics to be certified. ;)
The solution to this problem, to accrue respect, IDT has to behave respectfully. To be a science, act like a science. Offer courses in IDT at unis, endow chairs and fellowships. Granted, IDT wont be taught as part of a science curriculum in the begining.
Give Behe some actual fundage. Fund Hamerhoff, lol. Fund a peer reviewed journal. Fund research and grad students.
Show me a uni that will turn down fundage in this day and age.
Got no tools? Neither did the first quantum theorists.
Cowboy up and build them.
If you want to be treated with respect, behave respectfully.
Dawkins and company are perfectly right to ridicule and mock.
More lies....or just ignorance.
The Evolution of Cooperation only supports the biological basis of behavior. I suggest Maynard-Smith's excellent book, Evolution and the Theory of Games.
Dawkins is referenced in that book for his mapping of ESSs (evolutionary stable strategies) to CSSs (culturally stable strategies).
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Oh!
I lurved Donnie Darko abune a' thing.
But the big problem with Rush is refusal to evolve.
Not really an option.
On “away from Joe=towards success?”
And also....
Is it really possible that Ruffini doesn't understand that a mob imposing religious mores on other citizens is simply not in alignment with basic American principles?
The socon agenda is the foul black gangreneous limb of conservatism.
"Reform" conservatism cannot exist without an amputation.
"
I too think the 80% strategy is magical thinking.
It is reminiscent of the trope-- " America is a CENTER RIGHT nation".
Apparently, we are actually a center left nation, pace 2008.
More campfire songs.
"
SES is Socio-Economic Status.
"
Except....the middle is shrinking.
instead of being 4std away from the mean, it's 2std and shrinkin' to 1.
Perhaps it looked like 32/50/18 in 2004......now it looks more like 32/28/40.....and the increase is shaved from the higher SES higher IQ right side of the distribution.....college educated and the high IQ youth are two lost demographics the GOP can ill afford to lose.
Interesting to overlay SES, education, or political affiliation over the bellcurve of IQ
On “Derbyshire and the Happy Meal Conservatives”
As is my mischeivous wont, I am forced to point out that part of what we are seeing is stratification due to IQ. There are simply a lot more lowbrows in conservatism.
Hmmm....could religious belief be the hidden variable?
lmfao
"
How is populism different from mob rule?
Limbaugh is simply Kylon and his followers the First Democrats..... that massacred the Pythagoreans.
Ditch the elephant.....the new republican crest is a pitchfork rampant with a torch gules.
On “Killing Frankenstein’s Monster”
If that is true....then conservatism is anti-thetical to everything I know about Evo Theory of Culture.
And therefore a doomed paradigm.
"
"It is, to the conservative, a fundamental change in a critical cultural and social institution that has evolved from the combined understanding and knowledge of countless generations"
The prevailing normative form of marriage in history was polygamy and dominated from the EEA to the advent of agriculture, many hundreds of thousands of years.
It persists in the "sacred books" of the monotheist religions.
By your argument polygamy should be the preferred form of marriage for conservatives.
"
Or in other words....Will is perfectly cognizant that the core values endorsed by the conservative base are repulsive, anti-humanist, anti-thetical to both liberalism and libertarianism..... and illiberal, and he is still committed to collaboration.
Fine, you invited the vampires into the house.
The only way to get rid of them now is to stake them thru the heart, and since you don't have the nads to do that, you're going to have to burn the house down.
"
Is agreement over first principles or agreement over immediate policy a more durable basis for political collaboration?
Well....I was really personally hopin' for the Falwell head to fall off, but it looks like Will thinks the monster can keep staggering along for a while.
"
No need for killing, Mark.
Right now the GOP is a dying two-headed monster staggering along in its deaththroes. The hideous monster consists of Thom Jefferson's body with an extra Jerry Falwell head crudely sewn onto its right shoulder.
The monster's blood boils with leucocytes and t-cells fighting rejection battles between two deeply incompatible ideologies.
Eventually one of the stinking supporating heads will undergo organ rejection and fall off.
On “Phony in-house Conservative Battles”
i wasn't going to comment here anymore...but the answer to chris' question about combatting movement liberalism is gobsmacking simple.
Don't be the party of freedom for one religion, be the party of freedom for all religions.
Don't be the pro-family party just for white judeo-xian man/woman marriage families, be the pro-family party for all varieties of families.
Not sure if that is possible given the composition of your base, but it is the simple solution.
On “Falsifying the Unfalsifiable”
okfine.
;)
Can't take the truthsay, can you?
It is painful for me to read your labored devious apologia anyway.
Like being forced to watch ugly naked people.
adieu
"
Answer my question Mark.
When have we seen Dawkins lobbying for equal time to expound on his theories after the sermon at Saddleback?
Behave in a manner worthy of respect and we shall respect you.
Otherwise, not so much.
"
Mark either you are a christianist or an apologist for christianists or both.
Same diff.
tant pis.
"
Chris i am a practicing Sufi and my religion is personal and private.
I find the lot of you chrisianist triumphalist proselytizers prancing and braying in the public square profoundly disgusting.
But then, as my shayyk has said, Man cannot acquire what he cannot use.
"
A reason that both Dawkins and I lose out tempers in this debate is the profound dishonesty and/or self delusion practiced by the superstitionalists.
This law was passed with overwhelming support in both houses and signed by Bobby Jindal who should certainly know better.
And funded by the DI who stands to benefit from crappy textbook sales.
How are we to respect you when you don't respect yourselves?
Either you are liars or mortally stupid.
"
Again, Mark, Dawkins is not trying to push his theories into churches is he?
Is he demanding equal time after the sermon at Saddleback?
You reinforce my stereotypes.
Quit whining and do the heavy lifting of research and academic street cred or just STFU.
"
I see things clear.
You are the delusional one Kain.
Look at the law Jindal signed on in Louisiana.
The only thing that law will accomplish is forcing already impoverished school districts to buy the DI's crappy textbook.
Every single congressman signed on that stupid bill, and Gov. Jindal did too.
What im saying is the absolute truth.
"
(I think ALL of the Christians I know) believe in evolution and do not want to see creationism taught in school.
Soooo.....where does the Discovery Institute get their fundage?
"
And the fact that you don't do this......Chris....leads me to believe that you HAVE NO FAITH!
lololllololol!
"
Who started this turf war?
Did Dawkins go into churches and start preachin'?
No.
Keep religion in churches or do teh heavy lifting in unis where students have a choice.
Dawkins is perfectly cognizant of the reasons behind forcing religion on the 7 to 13 year olds.
He envisions it as child abuse, stunting and blinkering young minds.
I do not think the God Delusion is over the top, and Meyers and the wafer were a reaction to a particular situ.
OTOH Derbyshire called "Expelled" a blood libel against science.
Like i said......get off our turf and stay in your churches and bible colleges, or make your bones in academe.
Simple choice.
"
Like I said, its all about respect.
Teh believers want religion to have peer respect with Science, and that isn't possible. So as long as teh religious try to force respect, often thru nefarious and dishonest methods, like the Discovery Institute, they will continue to accrue mockery and scorn.
IDT is actually where quantum physics was 50 years ago.
And now look....high schoolteachers in my state need 3 credit hours of quantum mechanics to be certified. ;)
The solution to this problem, to accrue respect, IDT has to behave respectfully. To be a science, act like a science. Offer courses in IDT at unis, endow chairs and fellowships. Granted, IDT wont be taught as part of a science curriculum in the begining.
Give Behe some actual fundage. Fund Hamerhoff, lol. Fund a peer reviewed journal. Fund research and grad students.
Show me a uni that will turn down fundage in this day and age.
Got no tools? Neither did the first quantum theorists.
Cowboy up and build them.
If you want to be treated with respect, behave respectfully.
Dawkins and company are perfectly right to ridicule and mock.
On “Thomas Aquinas Meets The Flying Spaghetti Monster”
More lies....or just ignorance.
The Evolution of Cooperation only supports the biological basis of behavior. I suggest Maynard-Smith's excellent book, Evolution and the Theory of Games.
Dawkins is referenced in that book for his mapping of ESSs (evolutionary stable strategies) to CSSs (culturally stable strategies).
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