“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
The order also unilaterally declares the 14th Amendment never confirmed birthright citizenship in a very Orwellian move. I'm fairly optimistic that the Roberts Court will not endorse the Trump view but I also think we will be in a "Justice Roberts made his order, now let him enforce it situation" and Russell Vought, Trump's nominated OMB director pretty much believes that the President can redirect any Congressional appropriation as he pleases. As long as the President is a Republican of course. Philosophy not valid for Democrats.
If applied retroactively, Trump's proposal would strip a lot of people of their citizenship including Kamala Harris. Are they doing that currently? I don't think so. Will they try if they get away with this executive order? I don't trust them to restrain themselves one bit. And I think we are far past the point of being casual or downplaying their extremism.
The text of the 14th Amendment is plain and clear:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The Supreme Court stated that this applied to people born to non-citizens, including undocumented people over a hundred years ago:
The court that decided Wong Kim Ark was not exactly filled with bleeding hearts.
And I am pretty sure I can find plenty of policies which poll well which go against what conservatives want and conservatives will think it is fine to ignore or smash the will of the voters because of...reasons. See abortion and the minimum wage and soaking the rich.
Trump issues his executive order to try and end birthright citizenship:
Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.
He is a 53 year old man, the richest man in the world, and he self-diagnosed. He is using it as a shield and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker because yeah Seig Heil's are bad but not as bad as those liberals who you obviously hate so much but cannot admit you hate so much
The political party that Musk supports in Germany has this ad: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99c030c61d139ada69ad4511372ce5720c805197879637118c876d8e70b99846.jpg
I mean there is probably a part of these tech broligarchs that never grew up from being 15 year old edgelords but Musk has a long history of supporting far right parties here and abroad and has been in trouble for making anti-Semitic statements before.
A big problem of it can't happen here is that a lot of people just going looking for plausible deniability because they want to keep their head down and not get in trouble if trouble comes knocking or you get the edgelords defending hence my use of the Sartre quote. So the story here is apparently the Roman Saltute which is the origin of the Sieg Heil and was used here until it became associated with fascism.
"Nearly 1,660 Afghans cleared by the U.S. government to resettle in the U.S., including family members of active duty U.S. military personnel, are having their flights canceled under President Donald Trump's order suspending U.S. refugee programs, a U.S. official and a leading refugee resettlement advocate said on Monday.
The group includes unaccompanied minors awaiting reunification with their families in the U.S. as well as Afghans at risk of Taliban retribution because they fought for the former U.S.-backed Afghan government, said Shawn VanDiver, head of the #AfghanEvac coalition of U.S. veterans and advocacy groups and the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity."
We aren't waiting long to get to the Find Out part of FAFO
"Back in the first Trump presidency Trump’s critics spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get Trumpers to admit they’d done this or that, to apologize, whatever. This was always a mistake. I don’t need anyone to validate what I saw. I saw it. I don’t care what the explanation is. These are just twisted anti-American degenerates. We know this. Just what level of exuberant disinhibition led Musk to this moment or why this unmistakable gesture came so naturally to him … well, that’s really not my problem. Everyone knows what they saw here."
I know what I saw and I know who Musk is, what he has said in the past and who he supports like the AfD in Germany.
Why are you so eager to defend him? Is it because you hate the libs so much?
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”-Kurt Vonnegut
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
Samuel Moyn beclowns himself while deluding himself that Trump actually has a conherent worldview and understands what multipolar means: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-01-08/trump-foreign-policy-world-order
Plus he seems to think the guy saber-rattling about using force to get Greendland, the Panama Canal, and Canada will not engage the U.S. in foreign affairs as much
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On “Open Mic for the week of 1/20/2025”
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
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The order also unilaterally declares the 14th Amendment never confirmed birthright citizenship in a very Orwellian move. I'm fairly optimistic that the Roberts Court will not endorse the Trump view but I also think we will be in a "Justice Roberts made his order, now let him enforce it situation" and Russell Vought, Trump's nominated OMB director pretty much believes that the President can redirect any Congressional appropriation as he pleases. As long as the President is a Republican of course. Philosophy not valid for Democrats.
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I also dispute this will be highly popular. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/us/politics/trump-policies-immigration-tariffs-economy.html
55 percent of the nation opposes ending birthright citizenship according to this poll.
On “The Shakedown”
His parents made it to their nineties and a lot of this is genetic
On “Open Mic for the week of 1/20/2025”
If applied retroactively, Trump's proposal would strip a lot of people of their citizenship including Kamala Harris. Are they doing that currently? I don't think so. Will they try if they get away with this executive order? I don't trust them to restrain themselves one bit. And I think we are far past the point of being casual or downplaying their extremism.
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The text of the 14th Amendment is plain and clear:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The Supreme Court stated that this applied to people born to non-citizens, including undocumented people over a hundred years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
The court that decided Wong Kim Ark was not exactly filled with bleeding hearts.
And I am pretty sure I can find plenty of policies which poll well which go against what conservatives want and conservatives will think it is fine to ignore or smash the will of the voters because of...reasons. See abortion and the minimum wage and soaking the rich.
On “Ordinary Times Watchalong: The Inauguration of Donald Trump”
The ADL are friggin morons says this Jewish guy.
Abraham Foxman, their former chief called it a Sieg Heil
On “Open Mic for the week of 1/20/2025”
Sarcastic is an interesting synonym for troll
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Trump issues his executive order to try and end birthright citizenship:
Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.
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We have withdrawn from the Paris Accords and WHO
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Abraham Foxman, former director of the ADL says it was a Seig Heil
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0fe4233514806352ae83c90a98574a2d665539fd9d310a0d47ba9862781bffb7.jpg
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He is a 53 year old man, the richest man in the world, and he self-diagnosed. He is using it as a shield and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker because yeah Seig Heil's are bad but not as bad as those liberals who you obviously hate so much but cannot admit you hate so much
"
The ADL is wrong and Asperberger's is not a perpetual get out of free card.
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"I’m not defensing the indefensible. I’m defending a theater kid with Aspergers."
"We tell ourselves stories in order to live."-Joan Didion
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The political party that Musk supports in Germany has this ad: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99c030c61d139ada69ad4511372ce5720c805197879637118c876d8e70b99846.jpg
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I mean there is probably a part of these tech broligarchs that never grew up from being 15 year old edgelords but Musk has a long history of supporting far right parties here and abroad and has been in trouble for making anti-Semitic statements before.
A big problem of it can't happen here is that a lot of people just going looking for plausible deniability because they want to keep their head down and not get in trouble if trouble comes knocking or you get the edgelords defending hence my use of the Sartre quote. So the story here is apparently the Roman Saltute which is the origin of the Sieg Heil and was used here until it became associated with fascism.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e3cc8a8d59c5c9a877a7ff495085be16593799c3d07e66438dbe0cc842fdde3.jpg
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c58d114cec6e7a06c61726ceaad66e16bddfc6de554db8803218efa7911909d.png
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The National Security administration: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01e023f9a6600881688a52ab760b0a3691cc72f311ca83f9a56c3f17793bee30.png
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Okay you want to defend Apatheid Boy. Thanks for showing us who you are.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-canceling-flights-nearly-1660-afghan-refugees-say-us-2025-01-20/
"Nearly 1,660 Afghans cleared by the U.S. government to resettle in the U.S., including family members of active duty U.S. military personnel, are having their flights canceled under President Donald Trump's order suspending U.S. refugee programs, a U.S. official and a leading refugee resettlement advocate said on Monday.
The group includes unaccompanied minors awaiting reunification with their families in the U.S. as well as Afghans at risk of Taliban retribution because they fought for the former U.S.-backed Afghan government, said Shawn VanDiver, head of the #AfghanEvac coalition of U.S. veterans and advocacy groups and the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity."
We aren't waiting long to get to the Find Out part of FAFO
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/elon-goes-full-seig-heil-in-clarifying-moment
"Back in the first Trump presidency Trump’s critics spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get Trumpers to admit they’d done this or that, to apologize, whatever. This was always a mistake. I don’t need anyone to validate what I saw. I saw it. I don’t care what the explanation is. These are just twisted anti-American degenerates. We know this. Just what level of exuberant disinhibition led Musk to this moment or why this unmistakable gesture came so naturally to him … well, that’s really not my problem. Everyone knows what they saw here."
I know what I saw and I know who Musk is, what he has said in the past and who he supports like the AfD in Germany.
Why are you so eager to defend him? Is it because you hate the libs so much?
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”-Kurt Vonnegut
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5f1206254c85b77932267ab65a3fa2de9af33ad7c25c93b1a9dba5eb2c273449.png
On “Ordinary Times Watchalong: The Inauguration of Donald Trump”
He is apparently holding an indoor parade according to a chyron I read. Is this a march around a ballroom or a conga line?
On “Open Mic for the week of 1/20/2025”
Let's look at what Elon is up to:
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3lg74qw7q5x2n?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com%252F2025%252F01%252Fspringtime-for-elon
Before anyone tries to defend him:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
On “Open Mic for the week of 1/6/2025”
Samuel Moyn beclowns himself while deluding himself that Trump actually has a conherent worldview and understands what multipolar means: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-01-08/trump-foreign-policy-world-order
Plus he seems to think the guy saber-rattling about using force to get Greendland, the Panama Canal, and Canada will not engage the U.S. in foreign affairs as much
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