Bullshit. If it had been Vance on the ticket instead of Trump then they might have tried to run on "economics" but that wouldn't've been enough to put him over (because they'd have actually asked "so what are you gonna do about it" and he wouldn't have had an answer.)
They want Mean America, and Trump promises them that. If you think something else significant is going on, then that's a lie you're telling yourself because you don't want to imagine that the people standing next to you are Mean.
Brother, if you want us to just handwave away "he got away with it", then fine, but that's not an argument that goes away when your guy isn't in office.
They screwed up back in 2008 by promising Hillary Clinton that if she didn't make a stink about Barack Obama winning the primary then they'd support her in 2016. That's why we didn't get Sanders back then, and because of the dolchstosselegende we didn't get to have him in 2020 either, even though he was the right guy for both moments.
Nah; none of that has anything to do with it. People vote for vibes these days, and they want the vibe Trump's got. Anyone who's betting on him having a particular policy beyond What Pisses Off The Guys I Hate Right Now is kidding themselves, but there's plenty of people who love that as a policy plan, so they voted for him.
I've seen some stories quoted to the effect of "he looked like a clown, he looked like he was making fun of us, he's standing there in six hundred dollars of tailored clothing and wearing an ANSI vest like it means he has any idea what we deal with", so maybe people are starting to figure out that he's just a jerk who says mean things about whoever he's looking at, not some Real American Savior who's gonna put those so-and-so f-word c-words back in their places, etcetera.
Y'all pretty quickly insisted that it was not about A Protest, it was about Their Job, so, I'm going with that. It doesn't make you look better but it seems like the argument you want to have, so that's fine; we'll do it.
"you EXPECT the doctors to commit an act that would result in them being both fired AND criminally charged with a felony to help your wife"
Right up until just now they've always told me they would, so, yes dot jpeg
But, hey, if the doctors want the deal to be "I'm just workin' here, I don't set policy, I just do what the law permits" that's fine but it also leaves me wondering why I need to consider them any more highly than an auto mechanic with a lot of training, and why there are so many regulations and laws saying that I must pay them money before I'm allowed to do anything medical to myself.
"Leaving you able to do nothing else for your wife and leaving doctors even more unwilling to treat her."
Well. She's already not being helped. And "now they'll let her go septic to punish you" is maybe not making the best case for doctors being sympathetic healing-masters regrettably constrained by Evil Republican Scum.
They're not trying to comply with the law. They are saying that when it comes down to cases, their job is more important than someone's life.
And yeah, it sucks that there's legislation saying "abortion is a crime" and making doctors have to worry about that, and the people who passed that legislation are the kind of people who skate through English class on Cliff's notes and "extra credit" and D-is-for-Diploma instead of paying attention to what the books were trying to teach them, but if my wife had a dead baby rotting inside her and the doctor started bleating about "legislation" and "his job" I would tell him that unless he gloved up and got busy he would not have to worry about his job because I would drag him out in the parking lot and step on his fingers until they were so broken that he couldn't be a doctor anymore.
2016 was when Social Justice got normie. If you were at all involved in media (versus merely being a passive consumer of it) then you were aware of this movement for a long time before then. RaceFail was 2009.
I'm also reminded of the discussion we had about "Rust" randomly assigning gender/genitalia/skin-tone to player models, and locking those assignments to the account so there was no way to change them. There was some controversy over the issue but ultimately sales of "Rust" met their targets, so it appeared that doing this was neither beneficial nor harmful to sales.
When people say "are you honestly suggesting that you'll let innocents suffer as part of a protest action against political decisions we don't like", here are some doctors saying "yes, we will".
"The “innocent” I’m referring to are the vast numbers of people who will lose out on competent, non-political government services when the non-political public servants jump or get pushed out."
Just like the Wehrmacht were defending the people of Germany from foreign aggressors, right?
Actually there's a third category which I guess I should have listed, and it actually is an argument for Trump specifically:
3) He makes the right people mad
a) there's too much Woke and he'll stop that
b) there's too much Woke and voting for him is a statement that I don't like that
c) there's too much Woke and voting for him makes those people feel bad and I think that's funny
Trump's "weird energy" was a media fabrication, and they were happy to fabricate it because Of Course He Wasn't Going To Win Or Anything. He really hasn't changed; they're just selling it differently now.
It's really useful to remember that Obama was picked by the superdelegates. The actual primary voters went for Clinton. (And I fully believe that they made a deal that she'd get their support in 2016, which is why she didn't make a huge stink at the time.)
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On “History Was Made in 2024 Election, Now What?”
Bullshit. If it had been Vance on the ticket instead of Trump then they might have tried to run on "economics" but that wouldn't've been enough to put him over (because they'd have actually asked "so what are you gonna do about it" and he wouldn't have had an answer.)
They want Mean America, and Trump promises them that. If you think something else significant is going on, then that's a lie you're telling yourself because you don't want to imagine that the people standing next to you are Mean.
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Brother, if you want us to just handwave away "he got away with it", then fine, but that's not an argument that goes away when your guy isn't in office.
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They screwed up back in 2008 by promising Hillary Clinton that if she didn't make a stink about Barack Obama winning the primary then they'd support her in 2016. That's why we didn't get Sanders back then, and because of the dolchstosselegende we didn't get to have him in 2020 either, even though he was the right guy for both moments.
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Nah; none of that has anything to do with it. People vote for vibes these days, and they want the vibe Trump's got. Anyone who's betting on him having a particular policy beyond What Pisses Off The Guys I Hate Right Now is kidding themselves, but there's plenty of people who love that as a policy plan, so they voted for him.
On “Open Mic for the week of 10/28/2024”
I've seen some stories quoted to the effect of "he looked like a clown, he looked like he was making fun of us, he's standing there in six hundred dollars of tailored clothing and wearing an ANSI vest like it means he has any idea what we deal with", so maybe people are starting to figure out that he's just a jerk who says mean things about whoever he's looking at, not some Real American Savior who's gonna put those so-and-so f-word c-words back in their places, etcetera.
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Y'all pretty quickly insisted that it was not about A Protest, it was about Their Job, so, I'm going with that. It doesn't make you look better but it seems like the argument you want to have, so that's fine; we'll do it.
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"you EXPECT the doctors to commit an act that would result in them being both fired AND criminally charged with a felony to help your wife"
Right up until just now they've always told me they would, so, yes dot jpeg
But, hey, if the doctors want the deal to be "I'm just workin' here, I don't set policy, I just do what the law permits" that's fine but it also leaves me wondering why I need to consider them any more highly than an auto mechanic with a lot of training, and why there are so many regulations and laws saying that I must pay them money before I'm allowed to do anything medical to myself.
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"You moved those goal posts so fast they visibly reddened."
mmhmm? How is "my job is more important than your life" not a restatement of "if I save your life I might lose my job"?
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"Leaving you able to do nothing else for your wife and leaving doctors even more unwilling to treat her."
Well. She's already not being helped. And "now they'll let her go septic to punish you" is maybe not making the best case for doctors being sympathetic healing-masters regrettably constrained by Evil Republican Scum.
On “The Way Through is Donald Trump for President”
"And how do you feel about Trump’s Tariff plan and it’s[sic] likely impact on the economy?"
The Biden administration kept most of those tariffs in place, and in fact increased many of them.
So, I guess we ought to feel about Trump's tariff plan the same way we feel about Biden's tariff plan?
On “Open Mic for the week of 10/28/2024”
"It’s unreasonable to expect us to discuss contemporary American politics without using the F-word."
not making a good argument for being the intellectual superior here
"Biden wasn’t calling Trump supporters garbage;"
he ain't running anymore, bro, you don't have to make excuses, you don't have to tell us how Naked Is The New Clothed
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The footage will be used as a campaign spot with Inner Circle's "Bad Boys" as the backing track.
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Could this be the Dukakis Tank moment? (probably not, he's been photographed in trucks before.)
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They're not trying to comply with the law. They are saying that when it comes down to cases, their job is more important than someone's life.
And yeah, it sucks that there's legislation saying "abortion is a crime" and making doctors have to worry about that, and the people who passed that legislation are the kind of people who skate through English class on Cliff's notes and "extra credit" and D-is-for-Diploma instead of paying attention to what the books were trying to teach them, but if my wife had a dead baby rotting inside her and the doctor started bleating about "legislation" and "his job" I would tell him that unless he gloved up and got busy he would not have to worry about his job because I would drag him out in the parking lot and step on his fingers until they were so broken that he couldn't be a doctor anymore.
On “What If Kamala Wins?”
somewhat amusingly here's a big name in the industry talking about how great that was for her career
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2016 was when Social Justice got normie. If you were at all involved in media (versus merely being a passive consumer of it) then you were aware of this movement for a long time before then. RaceFail was 2009.
On “Open Mic for the week of 10/28/2024”
"Crime has been going down since the 1990s"
goose-meme dot jpeg
"what happened in the 1990s, huh? WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 1990s?"
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I'm also reminded of the discussion we had about "Rust" randomly assigning gender/genitalia/skin-tone to player models, and locking those assignments to the account so there was no way to change them. There was some controversy over the issue but ultimately sales of "Rust" met their targets, so it appeared that doing this was neither beneficial nor harmful to sales.
"
When people say "are you honestly suggesting that you'll let innocents suffer as part of a protest action against political decisions we don't like", here are some doctors saying "yes, we will".
On “What If Kamala Wins?”
"how much of what Matt Y. calls the Great Awokening was anti-Trumpist counter-reaction. "
were you asleep from 2008-2016
On “What If Trump Wins?”
"The “innocent” I’m referring to are the vast numbers of people who will lose out on competent, non-political government services when the non-political public servants jump or get pushed out."
Just like the Wehrmacht were defending the people of Germany from foreign aggressors, right?
On “The Way Through is Donald Trump for President”
What's interesting to me is how people are acting now that they don't have to pretend Biden's got what it takes.
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Actually there's a third category which I guess I should have listed, and it actually is an argument for Trump specifically:
3) He makes the right people mad
a) there's too much Woke and he'll stop that
b) there's too much Woke and voting for him is a statement that I don't like that
c) there's too much Woke and voting for him makes those people feel bad and I think that's funny
"
Trump's "weird energy" was a media fabrication, and they were happy to fabricate it because Of Course He Wasn't Going To Win Or Anything. He really hasn't changed; they're just selling it differently now.
On “What If Trump Wins?”
It's really useful to remember that Obama was picked by the superdelegates. The actual primary voters went for Clinton. (And I fully believe that they made a deal that she'd get their support in 2016, which is why she didn't make a huge stink at the time.)
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