42 thoughts on “Are Republicans Waking Up?

  1. It’s a Catch-22 for Trump and the GOP which probably means that Trump will get his way on most issues that can’t be blocked by congressional Democrats.

    How easily pushed are congressional Democrats?

    I know of at least a couple of squishes who have offered public support for Trumpy stuff.

    Pelosi was the best g-darn whip the Dems ever had.

    She demonstrated that she’s capable of getting Dems in line just the other day with the AOC/Cannolly thing… Can she hold onto that for another couple of years? Or four?Report

        1. Well, given that he was even worse than Trump, imagine what the essays we’d be writing under those circumstances.

          “Even though the sweetness of DeSantis beating Trump was delightful on the tongue, we’re now settling into the bitterness of his victory as it reaches our bellies. Say what you will about Donald Trump, but at least he wasn’t an effective Nazi. We’re now cursed with an Adolf Hitler who not only commands respect from Republicans, but from Democrats as well. A bipartisan National Socialism that everyone can get on board… if not the trains with the first class cars, the trains going to the death camps.”Report

      1. I am glad it’s not DeSantis, now, though it’s possible DeSantis would have viscously lost to Harris. But it’s also utterly irrelevant. DeSantis never came close and that fault for that lies entirely, totally, and completely with the right and right wing voters.

        This reminds me a lot of your “Don’t you wish Romney had won?” lines. No. I don’t wish Romney had won. I’m not moved by the “Vote for this plutocratic vulture capitalist robot or else the GOP will go nuts” line of reasoning.Report

        1. Eh, out of Trump/Harris/DeSantis, I see DeSantis as the closest thing to an actual human being (despite being a politician) capable of being a half-decent leader of the executive branch.

          I mean, he’s someone that I’d only compare to Hitler because he was a generic republican. Not because of anything else about the guy.

          The people who say that DeSantis would be worse than Trump despite comparing Trump to Hitler are…

          Well, there’s this thing about touching grass that the kids are saying.Report

          1. Really? DeSantis? Well it’s an amusing posture I’ll grant but considering how DeSantis ran his campaign I am puzzled how you could make the case that he’d be a half-decent leader of the executive branch. I mean “I’ll do every awful thing Trump says he wants to do but I will actually do it instead of flailing around in my own excrement” is a form of competence, I grant, but I don’t see it as being closer to being a human being. Trump after all, can point at being Trump as an excuse. DeSantis doesn’t have that.Report

              1. Well, it being stipulated that as a yellow dog Democrat I’d happily pick a dog turd for the office over a Republican, I’d consider Nikki Haley to be a more conventional and, thus, a more conventionally “tolerable” Republican than either Trump or DeSantis. Likewise Larry Hogan.

                I could be cute and say Liz Cheney but that’d be disingenuous since I don’t believe any neocon should ever be allowed near the executive office again on overwhelming foreign policy grounds. Haley is, of course, neocon-ish herself but it’s not like I have a wealth of Republican options to choose from and I’m trying to take the question seriously.

                And, heck, to give Romneybot his due: if I could press a button and swap Trump out with Mitt Romney I’d do so in a flat second with nary a second thought.

                And, just to reiterate, if there was a button to swap out Trump for an inert satchel of dog excrement I’d hit it far more readily than I would one for Romney.Report

              1. There are many many more Democrats than the ones that run California and New York. Also you left out insurance from your analysis of Florida which is akin to saying Hiroshima was a lovely place in ’45 if you don’t pay attention to radioactive fallout.Report

              2. I think DeSantis would suck from a public policy perspective and I’d never vote for him but I’ll bite and say I don’t think he would pose the unique dangers of Trump. Hard to see him attempting some sort of 1/6 type incident or abusing the power of the office beyond what we’ve come to expect over the past few decades. So bad but normal bad.Report

              3. I challenge you to find any instance at OT of me comparing any living American politician to the famed Austrian. Maybe you’ll surprise me but I don’t think you can.

                With respect to Trump I’ve long said Berlusconi or maybe some kind of Peronist from Latin America were the more appropriate parallel.Report

              4. This is hard because it’s outside of my theological framework. I think most Republicans are mostly cynical runners of interference for plutocrats plus a rump of culture warriors running the gambit of cynical and mean spirited to just kind of dumb. To play off Walter Sobchak, in order to treat them as National Socialists, I’d need to be convinced they had an ethos. Or at least more of one than the current thing that has their own idiotic media apparatus yanking them around by the balls.Report

              5. As far as I can tell, it’s just used to communicate distaste without anything deeper than that. When the vibe changes, Hitler is welcomed with open arms.

                See, for example, how Dick Cheney pulled a Wernher von Braun.Report

              6. It’s funny because right up until 1/6 I thought there was much more of a ‘there’ with the Bush-Cheney axis than with Trump. They at least had something like a vision, even if the top of the ticket wasn’t bright enough to fully appreciate how radical it was. I remember people (not normal people but like people at the university food co-op) speculating that maybe Bush would lose the election to John Kerry then try to stay in power with some kind of game of constitutional chicken, signed off on by SCOTUS ‘just like the 2000 election.’ But then he left without a fuss and of course Obama picked up a number of the balls he left and kept walking with them.

                But anyway I’m too principled to start doing the Hitler comparisons with anything happening today. If the past is a different country when we talk about the US then it’s a different planet when we talk about that guy.Report

  2. Again, I appreciate the writing, but continue to be completely baffled by posts suggesting there is some sort of corrective or change in the Republican party towards a guy they elected a mere 6 weeks ago, who dominated the primary to the point he barely even had to contest it, and with whom virtually all current Republican office holders of any significance have fallen in line. The GOP is his party. If you are in the GOP, he is your man, and he has yet to actually be sworn into office. What are we even talking about?Report

    1. I have no idea.

      Perhaps it’s because the current POTUS is somewhere hidden away and no one knows who is actually running the executive branch, but the world is reacting as if Trump took office the day after the election. It certainly does *feel* like he did.

      Maybe recency bias, but I don’t recall a transition quite like this one. We are in a very weird place.Report

      1. I agree that Biden has been and remains the most invisible president I can recall, and it has made the transition stranger.

        Still, not really seeing the rebellion or buyer’s remorse David has suggested a couple of times now. If anything it’s just a continuation of Trump season 1, where, charitably speaking, he defies the conventional wisdom about decorum and what’s normal.

        Sometimes it works out and he gets his way, sometimes he doesn’t, but I don’t see any sign of his party getting ready to oppose him on anything serious.

        My suspicion is that where they frustrate him it will be because of the chaos in their Congressional delegation, and the slim majority, not because they’re trying to clip Trump’s wings.Report

          1. I actually agree with this. the billionaire class has thrown in with him significantly because they believe he can be manipulated into deregulation. ordinary citizens have thrown in with him because he has given them people to blame for their perceived ills, and as long a she hurts those people as much or more then they get hurt, they will stand by him.Report

  3. This hints that the GOP is willing to do things – so long as no one knows about it:

    The House Ethics Committee secretly voted earlier this month to release its report into the conduct of former Rep. Matt Gaetz before the end of this Congress, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter.

    The report is now expected to be made public after the House’s final day of votes this year as lawmakers leave Washington for the holidays, those sources said.

    The vote, which has not previously been reported, amounts to a stark reversal for the panel after it had voted along party lines in late November not to release the results of the investigation. The decision to release the report suggests that some Republicans ultimately decided to side with Democrats on the matter, and it is unclear if the committee will once again change course now that it has voted.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/politics/matt-gaetz-ethics-report-committee/index.htmlReport

    1. So what happens? Johnson brings the CR, including some Democratic priorities, to the floor and passes it with Dem votes and a handful of Republicans who are retired come Jan 3? Johnson already has to take his chances with being voted Speaker in the new Congress. Doesn’t seem like he has much to lose.Report

        1. So I googled: “does the speaker of the house have to be a member of congress”

          And the answer came up:

          The Constitution does not explicitly require the speaker to be an incumbent member of the House of Representatives, although every speaker thus far has been, and as a member the speaker also represents their district and retains the right to vote.

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    2. We are all preparing to sit down for a couple of weeks minimum. Thankfully the last time this happened Congress felt bad enough to pass a law saying we’d all get back paid, but still.

      Worth remembering that the Weather Service, FBI (and other Law Enforcement), and FEMA will be working without pay during this period.Report

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