Missouri Conducts Controversial Execution of Marcellus Williams

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  1. Michael Siegel
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    They executed a man who is likely innocent. This is why I’ve moved against the death penalty. Not only does it risk an irreversible punishment on an innocent man, it creates a blood lust in the system that makes killing the innocent more likely.Report

    • InMD in reply to Michael Siegel
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      I think the bottom line is that no matter how much you tinker with the process for capital punishment there is no way to pursue it without occasionally executing an innocent person. I’m not ok with that, nor do I see it as a price worth paying.Report

      • Burt Likko in reply to InMD
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        Certainly not when you justify seeing the execution through so that faith in the system as a whole may be preserved via the mechanism of pretending to ignore the evidence of innocence. What that does is make a mockery of the standard of “reasonable doubt,” and inevitably thereafter diminish rather than buttress respect for the law.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Michael Siegel
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      Everybody relevant was screaming not kill this man but the current governor decided to restart the clock towards death.Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Michael Siegel
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      The argument that got the last few votes in the state legislature here needed to do away with the death penalty was the “canary sheet”: the budget analysis prepared by the legislative staff for each bill with a fiscal impact (so named because it’s printed on bright yellow paper). Successfully seeking the death penalty and carrying out the execution was more expensive than life without parole; unsuccessfully seeking the death penalty was a lot more expensive than life without parole. Dropping the death penalty saved millions of dollars.Report

      • DensityDuck in reply to Michael Cain
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        The cost is similar to the cost of nuclear power plants, in that it’s not actually very expensive to do but it’s very expensive to deal with the legal requirements proving that you did it properly (and the lengthy process necessary to be allowed to do it at all.)

        Meaning, “it saves money if you don’t do this thing” is not actually a valid argument because the thing being expensive is a choice we’ve made, not an inherent part of it.Report

      • Brandon Berg in reply to Michael Cain
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        It’s worth thinking about what it means that it’s more expensive to carry out the death penalty than to keep someone in prison for life. Keeping someone in prison for decades is expensive, and execution itself doesn’t cost that much, so where does the extra cost come from?

        Mostly it’s litigation of extra appeals. This should give you pause, because it means one of two things:

        1. We’re spending too much time and money on frivolous litigation in death penalty cases.
        2. We’re not litigating other murder cases enough to justify keeping someone in prison for life.

        The greater expense of death penalty cases is not an argument against the death penalty, but evidence that either death penalty cases are more expensive than they need to be or that the legal system is cutting corners with other murder cases.

        If the second is true, an interesting corollary is that if you’re convicted of a murder you really didn’t commit, being sentenced to death gives you the best chance of getting out of prison alive.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Michael Siegel
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      What’s the evidence that he’s innocent? Since the DNA on the knife came from the prosecutor handling it after the murder, it’s not exonerating. The fact that the witnesses were not particularly credible means that their testimony may not be great evidence of guilt, but also is not exonerating. He was in possession of some of the victim’s property, which seems to point pretty strongly to guilt.Report

      • Slade the Leveller in reply to Brandon Berg
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        I’m not sure executing someone based on circumstantial evidence, no matter how damning, is something the state ought to be doing.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Brandon Berg
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        Marcellus Williams was charged with Gayle’s murder. Prosecutors presented evidence that included testimonies of Williams’ former cellmate, girlfriend, and a man who testified to Williams selling him Gayle’s stolen laptop. Other evidence included Williams’s possession of items stolen from Gayle’s home.

        A search of Williams’ car turned up a St. Louis Post-Dispatch ruler and calculator that had belonged to Gayle. A laptop stolen from Gayle was also recovered from a man who testified that Williams had sold the victim’s laptop to him.[3][6]

        Williams confessed to three different people. He has a very long criminal record and was serving time for robbing a store. Supposedly one of the confessions included details not released to the press.

        DNA doesn’t match him (as previously noted). Witnesses aren’t especially reliable in general.

        I see nothing in terms of “proof he is innocent” other than “it’s all circumstantial evidence”.Report

  2. Jaybird
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    I’ve seen multiple arguments over the guy’s innocence versus whether the prosecutor screwed up.

    The prosecutor screwing up is enough for me to say “yeah, we shouldn’t have the death penalty for this case” but, assuming the *OTHER* evidence acknowledged by the trial is, in fact, evidence, I’m not sure that the guy is innocent of the crime of which he was accused.

    The prosecutor screwed up, though. That’s for sure.Report

  3. Chip Daniels
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    This is the inevitable outcome of the Crime Is OUTTACONTROL hysteria.

    Even if the prosecutors, judges, and Governor all sincerely believe the guy was guilty, which path carries the most political risk?

    Executing 10 innocent people in case one is guilty, or letting one criminal escape the death sentence?Report

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