The Primary Problem
I’ve been meaning to write about primaries for a while and this week seems like a good time. The trigger for my muse was the news this week that Marjorie Taylor Greene was being assigned to several committees by newly-elected House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
This was news for a couple of reasons. First, it comes almost exactly two years after a bipartisan House vote suspended Greene, who I like to call “Empty G,” from her committee assignments for her outlandish behavior and comments. Second, it is news because her new committee assignments are much more plum positions than her old assignments on the Budget Committee and the Education and Labor Committee.
No, rather than the drudgery of those committees, Greene is now on the Oversight and Accountability Committee, which will be the launchpad for the House GOP’s myriad planned investigations into everything Biden, and the Homeland Security Committee. In congressional terms, this is the big time, and that’s especially true for a publicity hound like MTG.
When I saw that Greene, who recently said that the insurrection would have succeeded if she had been in charge, was on the Homeland Security Committee, my first reaction was to wonder when we started putting threats to homeland security in on the committee that oversees protecting the homeland. It reminded me of old Republican complaints about Iran being placed on the UN Human Rights Council. Like the old adage about the fox guarding the henhouse, it’s not a smart choice.
The connection with primaries is that someone like Greene never should have been elected in the first place, never mind been sent back to Congress for a second term. The fact that Greene could survive the nomination process not once but twice is a strong indication that our system is badly broken. Today that broken nominating system is built around primary elections.
If you’re like me, you don’t remember anything other than primaries as a means of nominating candidates, but it wasn’t always that way. In fact, it wasn’t that way until fairly recently. FiveThirtyEight has a recent podcast that details the history of the current primary system, which only dates back to the turmoil of the late 1960s. Prior to that, primary elections existed, but they weren’t the binding selection process that they are today.
Even today, the two parties operate under different sets of rules for primary elections. In the Republican Party, many states are winner-take-all, allowing the top candidate to take all of the nominating delegates even if he doesn’t win a majority. This was intended to give establishment candidates an edge over insurgents, but in 2016 it allowed Donald Trump to build up an insurmountable lead as the traditional Republican candidates split the non-Trump vote despite the fact that Trump did not win a majority in any of the early primaries. His big wins came later in the process when the outcome was inevitable. In 2020, a number of Republican states didn’t even allow challengers to Trump to appear on the ballot.
On the Democratic side, the opposite tack is taken with the use of superdelegates. Superdelegates have often been considered “undemocratic,” and they are, but the reform was instituted in the early 1980s after a decade of dismal showings beginning with George McGovern’s 49-state loss to Richard Nixon in 1972 and ending with Jimmy Carter’s 44-state loss to Ronald Reagan.
As Elaine Kamarck, one of the members of the Hunt commission that invented the superdelegate system said, Prior “reforms were aimed at opening up the party to other factions, particularly the anti-war faction in the late 60s and early 70s. But that didn’t mean that they wanted to cut out the entire party apparatus, which is what happened. A lot of what the Hunt Commission talked about was restoring the balance at the nominating convention.”
Superdelegates are at-large delegates to the Democratic convention who can vote for any candidate they want. These are typically Democratic Party officeholders or party leaders. While the system is undemocratic, it likely helped prevent rank-and-file Democratic primary voters from nominating Bernie Sanders in 2016 (although Hillary won without relying on superdelegates) and a similar system could have helped keep the GOP from falling into the hands of Donald Trump.
It’s fair to say that Hillary Clinton was not the best candidate that Democrats could have picked in 2016, but most people would probably say she was preferable to Bernie Sanders. Both parties faced insurgent campaigns and reacted to them differently with the Democrats fighting off Bernie, who would probably have performed worse than Clinton, but the Republican safeguards backfired and benefitted Donald Trump.
I think it is also fair to say that candidate quality has deteriorated in the years since the primary nominating systems were implemented. We have gotten some really good candidates, but especially in recent years, we’ve also gotten some really bad ones that the smoke-filled rooms of yesteryear would have made sure never made it on the ballot. We can be pretty certain that if party establishments were still in charge of picking candidates, we would never have gotten the choice between the rock and the hard place that we had in Trump vs. Hillary.
The fact is that under the current primary system, there is no check-and-balance of effective gatekeepers to keep fringe candidates from running. This has led to a host of embarrassing candidates over the years, including a neo-Nazi who secured the Republican nomination for an Illinois congressional seat in 2018. He lost but plenty of fringe candidates who get on the ballot go on to win, especially in deeply partisan districts.
The most recent glaring example is George Santos. Santos, who seemingly lies about everything, including his name (does Anthony Devolder ring a bell?). Santos won the nomination unopposed in the Republican primary for an open seat in New York’s third district. This week, the congressman was assigned to the Small Business Committee and Science, Space, and Technology Committee, where the internet hopes his prior experience as an astronaut will be helpful. (That’s a joke, by the way.)
How did such a prodigious liar get elected? Santos isn’t the first liar to get elected to Congress, but he may be one of the most prolific. Most of Santos’s deceptions didn’t become public knowledge until after the election. I had initially thought that Santos represented a failure of establishment Republicans to vet the candidate, but the truth now seems worse.
The New York Times reported this week prominent New York Republicans, including Elise Stefanik, the third-ranking House Republican, were aware of Santos’s lies through a vulnerability study conducted in late 2022. After the study revealed his problems, he was advised to drop out of the race, but instead hired new staffers with Stefanik’s help and made his former campaign workers sign nondisclosure agreements. In other words, the Republican establishment covered up the truth.
That brings us back to the question of why primary elections are giving us worse candidates. The most obvious reason is that the voters are electing bad candidates.
The examples I’ve given so far have been Republicans, but Democrats make similar mistakes. For example, Georgia Democrats nominated Stacy Abrams again in 2022. Abrams is a popular Democrat, but she is not a good campaigner and she is too far left to run against a strong Republican candidate in Georgia. The smarter move would have been to nominate a conservative Blue Dog Democrat, but Georgia’s Democratic primary voters are unlikely to do that.
Primary elections are mostly caucuses of the party faithful. Primary voters are tuned in to partisan new outlets and talking points. If you ask the average primary voter, I’m sure that most of them would tell you that the worst member of their party is better than the best member of the opposition. In this toxic stew of partisanship, fringe politics is rewarded and moderates are punished.
To some, the answer might be to revert to the days when nominees were picked in smoke-filled rooms behind closed doors. The problem there is that we’ve gone so far down the radicalism road that the party establishments are made up of members of the political fringes. I don’t think that the establishment of either party is representative of the average voter… or even the average voter in their party. This radicalization of the parties makes it difficult to have gatekeepers to lock out the crazies.
While the Democrats implemented their superdelegate reform to help prevent radicals from nominating far-left candidates, the far-left now dominates the Democratic leadership. That means that superdelegates won’t necessarily be used for the purpose for which they were originally intended.
On the Republican side, even as Trump and MAGA have become less popular, both inside and outside the party, the Republican establishment is still dominated by Trump loyalists. It is difficult to imagine that top Republicans would intervene against MAGA nominations at this point. Pandora’s box has been open for too long and the Republican base, which is still fond of Trump, is wagging the dog.
So the voters are picking lousy candidates and it is unlikely that current party establishments would pick better ones. Where does that leave us?
I think that ranked-choice voting is an idea that holds promise at least in theory. Under this system, a voter ranks his choices among all available candidates rather than simply voting for one person. I was surprised to learn that ranked-choice voting has already been implemented in 12 states and is in the process of being set up in another four states.
If a candidate wins more than 50 percent of the vote, then the election ends. If no one wins, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and that candidate’s voters go to their second choice. The process continues until there is a winner. In effect, it is an instant runoff.
In theory, ranked-choice voting (RCV) would help to solve the problem of having two bad candidates because voters would not be penalized for voting for third-party candidates. For example, if a voter didn’t like either major party candidate, he could vote Libertarian (or Green or whatever) as his first choice, followed by his other preferences in order. There might even be multiple candidates from the same party.
This was the case in Alaska’s House race last year and a special election in which Democrat Mary Peltola defeated two Republicans and a Libertarian. The fact that the Republican vote was split didn’t mean that Peltola would automatically win because when Nick Begich, the third-place finisher, was eliminated, his voters’ second choices kicked in. Apparently, quite a few Begich voters preferred the Democrat to Sarah Palin, the top Republican finisher, however.
One of the big hopes about RCV is that it will provide alternatives to radical candidates. For example, when Herschel Walker was nominated in Georgia last year, many conservatives didn’t like him, but they had few options. They could hold their noses and vote Walker, vote for the Democrat, vote Libertarian, or not vote. When the race went to a runoff, their options became even more limited.
If RCV had been in place, voters could have ranked the Libertarian first, Walker second, and then the Democrat Warnock. By providing a means for a protest vote, Walker might have won in the end if he could convince enough voters to make him their second choice. It might also have allowed Republicans to add a second candidate when it became apparent that Walker was a disaster, giving Republican voters a more palatable option.
In practice, rank-choice voting has problems, but they are not insurmountable. First, it is more complicated than traditional voting. It’s already difficult to get people to vote and complicating matters may discourage them even further. Ranking choices on a slate of elections could also make voting slower and it is questionable whether the practice actually encourages moderation, especially in states that lean strongly towards one party or the other. Some also argue that voters should be allowed to reconsider their options with a separate runoff election.
Ranked-choice voting is gaining in popularity and acceptance. I’m at least ranked-choice curious, but I’m not convinced that it will save us from the radicals who dominate the primaries. At the moment, however, it does seem to be the best idea for an alternative that we have.
If we want to prevent the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and George Santoses of both parties from getting elected and sitting on important committees, we need to reform our primary election process that rewards extremism. That is going to take convincing the parties that the status quo is not working for them.
The one thing that may do that, even more than electing embarrassingly bad candidates, is losing a lot of elections. Losing sparked reform from the Democrats after the turbulent 60s and the McGovern and Carter routs. If modern Republicans in particular are smart, they should be looking at some options to stem their recent MAGA losses.
I’m not opposed to rank-choice, but I like math and am painfully logical at all times.
We already have problems with people claiming the other side stole the election.
Making the ballot less intuitively understandable will make that worse.
Having said that, this problem doesn’t go away no matter what we do and fringe take over needs a solution so it’s worth a try.Report
Have the people who care the most (like, to the point of being CRAZY) decide who we vote for, have the people who care the least (who still care juuuust enough to still show up) be in charge of deciding who gets elected.
What could possibly go wrong?Report
Why does the author just take it as a given that Margorie Taylor Greene is a bad selection, or embarrassing somehow to the Republicans?
Sure from our standpoint here on the left side of the aisle we smirk and consider her very existence a scandal. But there’s nothing to indicate the Republicans don’t like her and consider her a fine specimen of their party. Quite the opposite, she seems to be popular, and the base voters are very content with her.
The central premise of this piece is that somehow the mechanism of party selection must be rejiggered somehow to prevent the voters from making such obvious mistakes as MTG.Report
“Moderate” Republicans still don’t want to own the Party they helped create, nor do they want to have an honest discussion about what continuing to vote Republican means in the face of the likes of MTG.Report
“The central premise of this piece is that somehow the mechanism of party selection must be rejiggered somehow to prevent the voters from making such obvious mistakes as MTG.”
Yes, that’s exactly right. The nominating process is not an election. It has nothing to do with the “voters.” It is about the party choosing the best candidate that can win. The continued weakness of parties thanks to McCain/Feingold (and its offshoot, Citizens United), as well as small donor fundraising, and open primaries have made it easier for unserious people to get into office, by tapping into the anger of the small percentage of the over Republican electorate, but a sizable portion in primaries.Report
Does this seem sustainable to you, that a party would consistently put forward candidates against the wishes of the base?
Isn’t Trump the result of precisely this?Report
An unethical Billionaire skilled at using the media who is already a celeb is a nightmare to keep out of power in a democracy. Having said that, Trump didn’t have a “base” until he spent the entire primary season using his “pay attention to me” thing.
I think the lesson to learn is something about improving the various guardrails.Report
Guardrails are good, but that is exactly what the Senate and Electoral College were designed as, guardrails to blunt the passions of the mob and make radical change slow with lots of veto points.
But…the basic premise of a republican democracy is that the people must be allowed to determine their future.
And Trump is the result of that. Nearly 50% of the people wanted him in two successive elections, and may very likely want him again in a third. About that many have chosen to repeatedly elect people like MTG and Boebert and Gohmert and the rest of the lunatic caucus as their representatives.
There are no possible guardrails to prevent this.
When Franklin said “A republic, if you can keep it”, this is what he meant. The American experiment was a test of the hypothesis that the people, given the freedom to govern themselves, would choose freedom and liberty for all.
Right now, there are large swaths of the people who are choosing illiberalism and intolerance.Report
Trump running again will be interesting. He’s showcased himself as “illiberal” and authoritarian.
That’s not the normal politician being corrupt nor is it “the wrong wing of the grand coalition got their guy and I did not”.
My expectation is he can’t win the general and he might not even be able to get the nod.
Primary voters are not the same as main election voters. With that as the core problem, the root of most of this is gerrymandering.
Granted, that has nothing to do with Trump but he’s an extreme outlier.Report
Trump is an authoritarian by his nature, but, with the exception of putting loyalty above all else, his political instincts still can be good when it comes to surprise outperforming the generic Republican in a general election. His critical take on the post Dobbs agenda and statement that cuts to Medicare and Social Security should be off the table for the Republican majority in Congress is indicative. It would be incredibly ironic if he couldn’t win the primary due to being too moderate for the crazed movement he played a significant part in creating.Report
The Van Diagrams for “Moderate” and “potentially in prison for trying to overthrow the government” don’t overlap.Report
MTG is an interesting one. Pretty Fitness Coach who got into politics via lunatic views and has governed the same. Ran unopposed in the general and in a heavy GOP district still managed to get 25% to vote against her.
One hopes, after having given her views and behavior a good chance to be reviewed by the electorate, she doesn’t win reelection.
I also wonder at her legal exposure from the various Jan 6th and related misdeeds.Report
The voters in her district have put her in office twice, and I doubt her views were a secret in either race.Report
Yes. Hers is a rural/exurb district in a state that is increasingly urban. The voters in many districts like that believe they are in an existential battle. (Here in Colorado, various state legislators from districts like that say literally, “The Front Range urban corridor has declared war on rural Colorado.”)
Her voters don’t care about anything except absolute opposition to urban areas and the Democrats they perceive as the urban party.Report
Urban carries a special cache for them, for sure.
I can completely understand rural voters feeling disenfranchised (rightly or wrongly). What gets me is they never seem to elect reps who are willing to do the hard work necessary to help them.Report
Years ago Will Truman made a comment about parents in rural Idaho and the best and brightest kids leaving for Boise or Seattle. He said the parents knew it was going to happen, knew why it was happening, knew there was nothing they could do to reverse it, but still needed to vent their anger at the more urban areas.
I sometimes wonder if the same argument applies to the political arena. The rural areas know their lifestyle is dying (at least relatively), they know why it’s dying, and that there’s nothing they can do to reverse that. They don’t elect people to go to the state capital or DC to work to fix things; they elect people who can do the best rant.Report
In the last five years, the population of 43 of 44 counties in Idaho has increased. The five largest counties have grown about 10% in this time, while the remaining counties averaged about 7% growth. So, not really dying.Report
But losing ground, and I included “at least relatively” on purpose. This is one area where I think percentages give a wrong picture. 7% of 10,000 people in a small county is 700 people. Over five years, 140 people per year. 10% of a county with 200,000 people is 20,000, or 4,000 per year. Every redistricting their power is reduced. Every year the overall emphasis in the state will be more urban/suburban.
My sister tells me that the people in outstate Nebraska, even in counties that are still growing, are in a total panic now that more than half the state’s population live in the three counties that are Omaha, Lincoln, and their suburbs.Report
Off topic to the editors… If you stick short alpha-only text strings in the “straight to trash” list, there may be unfortunate side effects. “BoI” makes Boise and any word that incorporates boil forbidden words.
It would be nice if WordPress could be a bit more sophisticated about how it compares such strings, but for now it is what it is.Report
These days, you can’t spell New York City without “ew”.Report
So you support machine politics then?Report
Machine politics gave us FDR. It’s not inherently bad.Report
FDR kept the great depression going until WW2 diverted his attention.Report
Well, that’s certainly a new one to me.Report
How many years do economic problems have to go on before we should conclude the massive changes he’s doing to the economy are involved? Why was this depression worse than say 1920?
There were a number of things going on then that we’d now call economic insanity. Smoot–Hawley. FDR’s executive order for a 100% income tax on income over $25,000 ($500k in today’s money).
FDR was a guy who seriously disliked “the rich” and they were terrified of him. If you’re constantly trying to prevent economic activity from creating wealth, then we should expect side effects.Report
I think it would certainly be good to do something about it but I am not sure what. Maryland had a slightly unusual situation in 2022 due to litigation over its insanely gerrymandered congressional districts. Ultimately the primary was delayed until the middle of July, with reported turnout being under 5% of eligible voters. The result for the gubernatorial was nomination of a pretty lightweight, novice Democrat with a feel good story but no experience who effortlessly crushed a crazed MAGA Republican that never had a chance in hell of winning (which for the record is a good thing). While I prefer the outcome with respect to the two candidates it is hard to say the system produced the best choices for the state.Report
I agree with Chip but the main solution is for the parties to become strong. American parties are currently weak. There are lots of countries where the people really do not have much of a say for who the candidates are. You won’t see primaries for MP seats. Now it is another question whether this will produce fewer MTGs in the American context.Report
Imagine a smoke filled room where party bigwigs MTG, Lauren Boebert, George Santos, Louie Gohmert and Virginia Foxx are selecting the next slate of candidates.
On speakerphone are Baked Alaska, Catturd2.0 and Curtis Yarvin.Report
Cards on the table, I’m a yellow dog Democratic party supporter and have a, perhaps, irrational fondness for that grizzled old donkey of a party from their loony toon left wingers to their corrupt corporate centrists (and Sinema who’s a special breed of manic pixie bought and paid for twit) along with all the genuine good people and voters in between.
Accordingly, I had to smirk at the desperate contortions Mr. Thornton has to inflict on his writing to try and both sides this issue. No, sir, both parties are not desperately victimized and in thrall to their radical wings; only one is. That is why when media and the right-wing propaganda outfit, go to find nutters on the left they mostly have to go to the infinite well of twitter and non-politician university professors, students and affiliated twits for the extremism. Whereas right wing lunatic extremists can be found comfortably ensconced in every level of the Republican Party from the grass roots up to the Presidency.
To address the specifics: yes, the Superdelegates exist and no, they’ve never been an actual factor in a modern nomination contest. Ol’ Uncle Bernie lost to Hillary without the Superdelegates ever so much as twitching a whisker. The only time Superdelegates would be a factor is if the various contestants for the nomination entered the convention without an actual majority of real delegates. That scenario has never occurred so far so it’s ludicrous to suggest that such a system is in any way responsible for party pandering to extremists. Especially when one notes the incredibly inconvenient fact that the Democratic Party has nominated sensible moderate candidates for the Presidency ever since, what Dukakis? My entire adult life at the very minimum. The only reason anyone talks about Superdelegates at all is because first a flailing Bernie and then second an opportunistic right wing media tried to paint them as somehow nefarious in an effort to influence the elections.
As for Stacey Abrams; that politician in particular lost the Governors race by a whisker once and more solidly a second time. In the interim she has been central to organizing in the state of Georgia that delivered two Senators to the Democratic Party two electoral cycles running. If the devil in his pink pajamas materialized and offered me two federal Senators winning two elections running in exchange for narrowly losing a gubernatorial contests two times running, I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. The Democratic Party was entirely rational in nominating Ms. Abrams, she certainly doesn’t look like any kind of extremist to me and, frankly, if I had the fortune to meet her and shake her hand, I wouldn’t wash mine for a week after.Report
the amusing part about your rant is that Superdelegates were why Clinton lost in 2008, and that’s why she leaned so hard on getting everybody to agree they were Definite Votes For Clinton in 2016
also, “a flailing Bernie” yes, well. flailing dead-ender candidates usually don’t make it all the way to to the convention with half the floor waving their name on signs.Report
Oh DD, never change. Clinton lost in 2008 because she had the enormously bad judgement to put the execrable stain Mark Penn in charge of her campaign and he was as mendacious as he was incompetent. Obama arrived at the convention with the popular vote lead and a lead in delegates and the super delegates dutifully followed suit.
And yes, in 2020 Bernie was flailing furiously and he performed horribly turning in a much weaker showing than he had in ’16 which is why he harped on and on about the super delegates so much even though they never were involved at all (Clinton got the necessary majority of normal delegates in ’16).
None of these instances suggest the super delegates have ever been a problem at all for their party, let alone a major problem like the OP suggests.Report
You have two choices –
1.) Two parties w/ strong primaries so the base feels reflected in the party
2.) Stronger party control, but more parties competing.
The reason nobody im Sweden really cares about the fact that say, the Swedish Social Democrat’s leadership basically decides who will run in each parliamentary district is simple, there are a lot of other serious parties to choose from. Even in the UK, due to much smaller constituencies, people truly upset about party leadership’s choice have more options, or it’s more possible for an independent to run and win.
We’re never going back to 1965 when the Establishment of both parties basically had veto power over who runs for office, and frankly, that’s a good thing. I might not agree w/ the crazies that make up the base of the GOP, but since they’re the strong majority of the party, why should rich dudes who don’t care that much about social issues and love cheap labor decide who’s the GOP nominee?Report
RE: More parties competing
This probably requires redoing the constitution and is why stronger parties is so attractive (which doesn’t).
In other countries, the Tea Party and Trump would have gone off and formed their own parties. Similarly the Greens and Socialists would do the same. Here your choices are join one team and become a wing (or take it over), or create a new party which will kill one of the existing ones.
That second has happened, but not recently. The issue of slavery resulted in the creation of a party devoted to fighting it (the GOP) because neither of the existing parties were doing so sufficiently. Not sure how the others died, but having two is pretty baked into the cake because of the core rules.Report
The core rules of the voting mechanics are not baked into the constitution.
We see that even today… you can have ranked choice voting for Congress (see Alaska and Maine), at large representation (pre-1967), and could even do proportional representation without altering the Constitution. The size of Congress and the single-district rules are Congressional Acts which specify how the Congress is constituted (so long as it is proportionally distributed among the states and directly elected – including the Senate as of the 17th Amendment).
We’ve previously discussed the 1929 Reapprotionment Act; and here’s a link to the 1967 Uniform Congressional District Act which specifically eliminated mixed At-Large in favor of Single Member Districts. It could be altered to whatever Congress thought best without Constitutional amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Congressional_District_Act
The goal isn’t specifically to make strong parties; the goal would be to break the duopoly created by First-Past-the-Post voting. Parties with stronger factional coherence would (presumably) arise in time. It would create different challenges/issues to be sure. But it wouldn’t require Constitutional or Regime level changes.
The desire of some for a legislative dictatorship (aka Parliamentary System) is a different desire. In fact, one of the reasonable critiques of changing this in the US multi-polar system is that the Legislative Branch would always have multiple factions in constant negotiations while the Executive Branch would only ever have one faction/party in control at any given time (formally). Informally an Executive may have to co-opt other factions/parties with election promises; but once elected that Executive is not bound by any promise. Theoretically, the counter-arguments go, an already imperial Presidency would be further strengthened against a Congress of multiple factions/parties. As I say, changing the rules just introduces different challenges/issues. On the whole I am persuaded that this would enable better factional negotiations rather than the winner-take-all zombie parties we have today. But, if it turns out we really do only prefer the two parties we have today, nothing in the voting rules changes would prevent them from carrying on exactly as they are presently constituted. So there’s no downside risk if one thinks today’s Parties are perfect. Just vote harder for them.Report
Interesting.Report
One Person One Vote was a 1960’s thing.
Be careful with what you wish for.Report
The presidential and non-presidential primary systems are very different creatures. The former has more options for reform: superdelegates, the winner-take-all system, and the whole Iowa and New Hampshire thing come to mind. The latter probably requires increasing voter turnout and closing the primaries. I don’t know how popular either idea would be.Report
You’ll never get the nut jobs out of the House of Representatives. They had nutters in the first congress and they will most certainly have them in the last, whenever that may be.
I’m not sure why they are even brought up in an article about Presidential Primaries.
Rank Choice voting makes a lot of sense but as others have stated, it requires people to trust the voting process, and I’m not sure when or if that happens.Report
Most people trust the voting process. Politicians in certain parties WANT to decrease that number because they believe that’s a path to power. But it doesn’t map out to actual voter turnout.Report
Yes, despite being subjected to a voting system called “Jim Crow on Steroids” by everyone from POTUS on down, Georgia turned out the vote like never before.Report