From NPR: San Francisco moves to delay its cannabis business tax to give legal dealers a boost

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  1. Jaybird says:

    Way back in the days when marijuana was illegal, you paid a premium for it (or so I have been told). You were mostly paying for discretion and for the risk that your dealer was taking (and that his supplier was taking).

    Well, marijuana is much less risky (legally, anyway) in the current year. Hell, you can grow your own if you’re so inclined. Colorado Springs allows you to grow six plants at any given time (but only 3 can be mature). Which means that two cohabiting adults can grow a dozen plants (with six mature ones).

    Looking at the prices for Strawberry Fields, Pueblo North, I see that you can get a quarter bag for more or less the same price a quarter cost in 1992 (or so I have been told). AND THOSE WERE CLINTON DOLLARS. (Checking out the inflation calculator, I see that $55 in 1992 would be around $108 today… that 4.5 star pot costs about half as much as the ditch weed those people had available back then. Or so I have been told.)

    A quarter was a *TON* of weed, or so I have been told.

    A mature plant will give a home grower about a pound of weed, under more or less ideal circumstances (which probably aren’t available for a dozen plants for the average home grower… but I imagine that a non-idiot home grower could alternate mature and growing plants in close to ideal circumstances in his or her basement).

    What is the buyer buying from the business, now that discretion is much, much less dear?Report

    • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

      Rent, utilities, and paychecks that include all the tax withholdings.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

        Those were included back in 1992, though. Well, not the taxes.Report

        • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

          In a way. But I have to figure storefront rent in a pricey city like SF is a lot more than a crummy apartment.. and the quality of what seems to be generally available is worlds away from my recollection of how it was in the 90s/early 2000s. Or so I was told by a friend of a friend of a friend that is.

          Point being I think there’s a premium and more overhead on a high quality legal-ish product. It’s like we’ve jumped straight from bathtub gin in a milk jug bought from a guy in a parking lot to the high end liquor store with 100 whiskeys without much in between.Report

          • veronica d in reply to InMD says:

            Modern pot is waaaaaay more potent than pot in the 80s. The difference is bonkers.Report

            • JS in reply to veronica d says:

              That’s one reason I’m happy with dispensaries instead of just buying weed or growing it myself.

              At least from licensed, regulated dispensaries I can see actual dosages.

              Also, having had both home-made and professionally produced edibles, I’m really amazed at the taste difference.

              Then again, I am by definition entirely recreational — I visit a legal state perhaps every two or three years, and that’s the only time I indulge.Report

          • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

            What those that I heard rumors about got in college wasn’t bathtub gin as much as something on the continuum between Keystone and Coors. Occasionally they’d get some Guinness and it would blow everybody’s mind. Someone visited who had The Hookup and treated them to a Cosmopolitan and they just sat in silence in the basement.

            I’d be interested to know what the numbers were for the stuff they had. Strawberry Fields has stuff between 20% and 30%. And they’re selling wax that is 67%. Jeez. “I want to get so high that I can’t even move for the evening, but I only have 3 minutes.”Report

            • dhex in reply to Jaybird says:

              while i think you can safely assume that all testing numbers in any state are mostly nonsense, one of the bigger perks in legal/mostly-legal (aka medical) states is the testing for pesticides, contaminants, etc. now, as people in oregon, washington, and colorado (and maryland a few other places, probably) know, testing labs can be bought; they can be gamed (e.g. sending the most heavily dusted samples for testing); and overall effects and potency are highly variable (har har).

              that said, it beats the old days. it would be nice if maryland fixed its currently stupid model (artificially low caps and sweetheart deals on licenses for producers, dispensaries, and processors) but even in its most scummy, corruption-laden, cronyist worst the current medical market is at least something of an improvement over the illegal market.Report

              • InMD in reply to dhex says:

                The annoying part is that the only way it could be done was via the lamest and most transparently corrupt licensing process possible. The less annoying part is that there is now a dispensary literally down the hall from my dentist’s office.Report

              • dhex in reply to InMD says:

                it is astounding how poorly this system was implemented, especially with the first round missing any MOB-aligned owners and having the maryland black caucus threaten to stop the legislation before it started.

                then again, i have been reliably informed by md natives that this is how the state rolls.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to dhex says:

                I’d be inclined to say that Colorado almost did it right?

                For a few years there, visitors from out of town would come over to the house and we’d drive somewhere to eat and I’d go out of my way to drive up Platte Avenue and I’d tell my friends to “count the weed shoppes”.

                There were more than a dozen just on Platte between General Palmer and Powers.

                The Independent was our little local free weekly and, for a while there, it had 10 pages dedicated to marijuana ads/content. Like, full page color ads, quarter page ads, reviews of various strains (“after my dog got hip surgery, I needed a strain that was appropriate for me wanting to lie on the floor for four hours.”), and whatnot.

                I went from thinking “holy cow, this would have blown my mind back in 1993!” to “jeez louise, is this the only thing happening in Colorado Springs?” pretty darn quick.

                But one thing I noticed was the race to the bottom. The dispensaries started by giving prices that were in the ballpark of black market prices and then they’d all start undercutting each other with coupons and discounts and NEW LOWER PRICES and, next thing you know, it stopped being fun to show people all of the shoppes on Platte Avenue because a dozen turned into, like, 3. The Independent has a mere 4-5 pages dedicated to cannabis.

                There are now more burger joints on Platte than weed stores.

                So the best way to do it is to go totally laissez-faire and let a hundred of the things open up… and *THEN* start taxing them out the nose until you get somewhere around the number of them that you think is appropriate.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

                It would not be hard to do it better. Maryland did not actually legalize like Colorado did, but rather follows the quack doctor system where a ‘prescription’ (obtainable via telehealth to anyone who wants one) is required which can then be filled at dispensaries authorized to operate via political favoritism. So it’s certainly superior to prohibition but far from a triumph of sensible policy. However to dhex’s point it’s completely consistent with how these things are done here.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

                Oooh. Um. That’s how Colorado Springs did it too.

                Any given adult is only allowed to grow 6 plants (3 mature) at any given time *BUT* you can outsource this to someone else on your behalf.

                Colorado Springs has not legalized recreational (yet). You have to go to Pueblo or Manitou.

                And so the shoppes offer deals for people who are willing to make their shop their grower. Like, you have to be put on a registry with the government and everything.

                And while the average home grower is likely to grow a plant that has somewhere around a pound of weed on it, the average industrial grower can make a damn tree.

                Anyway, Colorado used the quack doctor system for years prior to recreational being legalized. (And recreational still ain’t legal in Colorado Springs proper.)Report

              • dhex in reply to Jaybird says:

                if there’s ever home grow in MD i will legit be shocked. it’s such a weird state, and that’s despite proximity to dc’s grey market, which coincidentally has legal home grow for residents.

                that dc grey market is, coincidentally, andy harris’ fault, so that’s another reason to be upset with md politics in general…Report

    • Michael Cain in reply to Jaybird says:

      Quality. Superior breeding, optimum curing, higher THC content, consistency. The same reasons that some of the drug cartels have started smuggling Colorado weed to Mexico, for their more discerning clients. Also too, ideal indoor conditions are harder to achieve and maintain than you might think. Disease and mites are a pain to get rid of once established. Or so I have been told.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Jaybird says:

      Clinton dollars were all right, but they were no McKinley dollars.Report

  2. Oscar Gordon says:

    If your planned tax on a legal product is making the black market version even remotely competitively attractive, you did your taxation wrong.Report

  3. LeeEsq says:

    Here in Oakland, there is a cannabis business right next to Oakland’s police headquarters. I always found this really funny.Report