State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

So now what?
adventures in smackdowns
Second Thoughts
“Like Bruce Springsteen, he has a lot of bad political ideas; but he was born in the U.S.A.”

The comments...

AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Jaybird
+ Totally. But doesn't that kind of give the lie (or at least tend toward doing so) to those who warn that in a system [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Mark Thompson
+ Actually, that was the substance of my proposal to E.D. (and I ought to have dialed you in -- it's just that E.D. and I [. . .]
+ Hmmm....well we are the League of Ordinary Gentlemen, not Expert Gentlemen! That said, I'll look around to see if I can find some others [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to greginak
+ There is no doubt that at the end of the day, we reformers are going to have a tough time justifying the final product. [. . .]
+ Oh, I thought your questions were great and your persistence was totally warranted. In fact, I'd go so far as to thank you for [. . .]
+ How much of health care, like any kind of wealth, is measured (measured by the individual, I mean) relationally? That is to say, Treatment X is [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Mark Thompson
+ You were more than solicitous of my prodding, and I thought so the whole time, even though it definitely didn't really come through. Because [. . .]
+ I suppose it depends on how you weigh the costs and benefits of the mediocre reform. For me, I think the mediocre reform will [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Mark Thompson
+ I think Greg may be more on the moark raising the question of whether he might wait a full year for the body to recover, [. . .]

It read to me identically to a rant about why the GURPS group sucks and why the D&D group rocks.

+ There is nothing good about the healthcare bill as it is written now. The costs alone will finish bankrupting our once great nation. [. . .]
AvatarKatherine in reply to Mike at The Big Stick
+ The cop's aren't your parents. They have the right to arrest you for breaking the law, not to send you to your room (or [. . .]
AvatarKatherine in reply to Jaybird


Yes, with regard to this case I'd say that's exactly what it means.

+ I would still say some mediocre reform is better then none. If absolutely nothing passes this year, which I rather unlikely, next year is an [. . .]
+ Yeah- I didn't do the best job explaining my position on that, which is why you were right to challenge me (I tried to acknowledge [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Michael Drew
+ I assumed there were good argument for the negative view of the legislation, is what I meant above. In point of fact I have [. . .]

Oh, I didn't know. I've read McCain once, and that was enough.

AvatarMichael Drew
+ I just wanted to hear the explicit case that it was worse than doing nothing. It's not that I ever thought I could persuade [. . .]
AvatarSully Fick in reply to Mark Thompson
+ I was citing Ezra Klein in support of the point I was making about Profit being the goal - and, not just the goal, but, [. . .]
+ You're right, of course. Still, there's almost always a team that's on the edge of the playoff race with a gaping hole at QB, [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Mark Thompson
+ An interesting thought, except that there's already a different pitcher every game, so it doesn't affect the flow/chemistry whatever any more than is already the [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to greginak
+ Either one month or forever. Seriously, though, Minnesota is where he's wanted to be for years. If he couldn't make it happen there [. . .]
+ I'm going to guess that he'll spend the next two years doing what Clemens did at the end - sit the first 1/3 of the [. . .]
Avatargreginak in reply to Michael Drew

so how long until he starts talking about playing again?

AvatarMichael Drew

O/T: How about Brett Favre? Took guts to make the right decision in my view, even if it took him a while.

Perhaps, but I think it's also quite possibly an attack on certain, ahem, insecurities regularly aired by the two in question....

AvatarMichael Drew in reply to Mark Thompson
+ The only thing that makes it less preferrable for me is that it's not going to happen. By which I mean there's maybe a [. . .]

I don't know, here -- -- he sounds pretty silly with all the homosexual references meant as attacks -- the sign of intellectual inferiority.

+ I totally agree with you that this is "threading a needle." And the political problem of overcoming resistance to change in existing coverage is, [. . .]
+ It's true that a cop shouldn't arrest people for just being fools and trying to throw their weight around, like Gates. We all know that. [. . .]
+ "I’ve argued there is a chance that the Wyden bill could be the fallback. Who knows." I don't share your optimism, but this is [. . .]
+ Von is certainly a thoughtful conservative voice. One of the purely political problems with reforming health care is that many people don’t want significant changes [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew in reply to greginak
+ Supposedly some R's are on board for Wyden, but you're right I think given their rhetoric we could assume they would peel off in a [. . .]
AvatarMichael Drew
+ Reform is dying on the vine. I was never for the ind.mand., but the subsidies do need to be mentioned in response to the [. . .]
+ Well no one has ever claimed that politicians are afraid to upset Big Business. But to cite Klein in support of the proposition that [. . .]
AvatarSully Fick in reply to Mark Thompson
+ Uhh....the point about politicians being afraid to upset Big Business. The entire second half of my comment. Wasn't the quote from Ezra Klein obvious enough, [. . .]
+ Uhh....which point? Klein is one of the more outspoken proponents of the Wyden bill, calling it "the idea that could save health care reform." [. . .]
AvatarJaybird in reply to Sully Fick
+ I know a number of folks in the Air Force and a number of 20 year retired Air Force and, to a man, they all [. . .]
AvatarSully Fick in reply to Sully Fick
+ Ezra Klein concurs with my point above: But whatever gets done will be much too expensive because the political system is very afraid of harming [. . .]
AvatarSully Fick in reply to Bob Cheeks
+ gov’t F**ked up medicine in America and we don’t need no stinkin’ Federali’s muckin’ around with medicine now! I also explained how that [. . .]
+ Well, from what I've heard so far, the gray area may only expand under any proposed reforms. Sort of an "even the best laid [. . .]
AvatarJaybird in reply to Ryan
+ You didn't go for the right strawman. You should have said "if you don't want to be ruled at all, you should move to Kenya! I [. . .]
AvatarBob Cheeks
+ E. D., dude, I do have empathy for those kids who are in that grey area you described. However, I did call my Congressman and [. . .]
AvatarSully Fick
+ Um, I hate to be the one to point this out, but the Wyden bill has nothing to do with reforming health care or lowering [. . .]
+ I think Sam M and greginak forget that this is still NRO we're talking about. They may be smacking down the birther business, but [. . .]
AvatarRyan in reply to Jaybird
+ Screw that. Let's start with a group of people I would trust to change a tire. If you'd prefer to be ruled by a bunch [. . .]