State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

One green to rule them all…
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Andy McCarthy, just askin’ questions
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The Height of Disingenuity
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Jumping To Conclusions
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Glenn Beck – hero or villain?
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Fiscal Responsibility, part II
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The Annual Misuse of Hate Crime Statistics
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“The Fall of Mexico”
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The comments...

+ As we try to imagine the decline of Easter's civilization, we ask ourselves, "Why didn't they look around, realize what they were doing, and [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ E.D. help me out here! Rush's past couple of shows (today and yesterday) were centered on the hacker who broke into some Algore/climate change/global warming [. . .]
+ I disagree. McCarthy gets a bit neo-con for my taste pretty often, but I thought he was spot on with that piece about the [. . .]
Jaybird

Are there transcripts of the discussions that inspired this amendment?

Jaybird
+ I would not say that Freddie's "side" looks stupid. This isn't a "side" issue. The League, for example, seems to have mentioned the apparent murder (and [. . .]
+ Without getting into my own feelings on the matter, Roque makes a good point here. I do think that "big science" and its alarmist friends [. . .]
+ I agree: There is a certain sort of arrogance or condescension here that troubles me.Here are some points to document your "troubles:" 1. It's arrogant [. . .]

Don't you hate it when your side looks stupid?

Dave PV
+ We extract large amounts of fossil fuels that have been stored underground for millions of years. We burn it to produce the energy--the burning [. . .]

Actually, it's a poor Andrew Sullivan impersonation.

Jaybird
+ Maybe the League needs a side-sidebar-bar. You know. For stuff that isn't interesting enough to post to a sidebar but still interesting enough for some folks [. . .]
Cascadian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuk_5Mi-uQ

+ If it was worth speculating about in numerous high-profile places, then it is certainly worth pointing out that the speculating was misplaced and off-base when [. . .]
Meme Mine
+ The media’s non coverage of the other side of CarbonGate makes them just as complicit in this crime along with David Suzuki who we deniers [. . .]

Is saying that people engaged in "much speculation" really an indictment at all, worthy of posting about?

I'm just asking!

+ I've never been a big fan of the "empire" critique. I don't really know why, expect that it seems like a lazy analysis. However, I [. . .]
Zach
+ The point is that subsequent changes to relevant law will almost always make their projections wrong. Ergo they can't claim accuracy but can claim [. . .]
Francis
+ I have a two-word answer: fresh water. We have built an enormous economy across the planet based on some very precise assumptions about rain and snow fall. [. . .]
+ This is pretty much right, and I like your point on the sort of big tent environmentalism coming out of global warming concerns. I'm [. . .]
Zach
+ There's a good article in the Post today along these lines - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/23/AR2009112303966.html - about environmentalists either explicitly or tacitly supporting nuclear power. If [. . .]
+ It's not distracting if the primary way in which the data is being used is as a measurement of trends, which is in fact how [. . .]
BobN

Ooops, take that back. It's in Table 4.

Nevermind.

BobN
+ Discussing the uselessness of the data as a measure of trends seems rather, well, distracting. I, for one, would like to know how the [. . .]
Adam

The insurance industry in particular seems rather concerned (bunch of hippies!)

+ In addition to Jaybird's points below, the Pam Spaulding link I posted prominently displays a graphic of a man hanging with the caption "He Reaped [. . .]
Mecha
+ It's worth noting that if you look at the actual trendline given there and do a derivitive (IE: how much is the deficit changing?) the [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Here's a reason blog post with links to some of the more excitable things said in the immediate aftermath (true/slant makes an appearance!): http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/24/send-the-body-to-glenn-beck The words "we'll [. . .]
Brian
+ Sorry, i like your posts usually, but you totally miss an important point here. Action on climate change isn't something only environmentalists are getting behind. [. . .]
Jaybird
+ The more anti-empire Beck gets, the more the neocons will turn on him in the way that they attacked Ron Paul. Look for more and more [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Did Mark say that there were posts that came out and said that this was an example of Teaparty violence or did he say that [. . .]
+ Two points. First, I think in comparing (some) environmentalists to the rabid free-market types, E.D. meant the people advocating things like across the board gasoline [. . .]
+ I really liked Carter's close: "Imagine the effect we could have on pollution if we spent as much time, energy, and money on solutions that [. . .]
+ Interesting take. The thing that people don't seem to get about empire, though, is that they think it has something to do with taking over [. . .]
+ I appreciate it. Just keep in mind that this stuff is filtered through my perverse and pessimistic mind. Others in Mexico may disagree, especially about [. . .]
+ As someone who's a lot closer to Gore's view than the libertarian one, I'll readily admit that what evidence I've read suggests that gas mileage [. . .]

I see that the question mark no longer holds the meaning I have always taken it to have.

+ Wow. And I just read a similar screed at Contentions. I'm going to have to follow up on this tomorrow, but I think [. . .]
+ Heh. We may have finally found an issue regarding the future of the Right where Conor and Dan Riehl can agree: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/11/glenn-beck-is-an-ass.html I propose a [. . .]
Scott
+ Why say something directly when you can insinuate it have the same effect? If someone steals your car you can easily replace it, but if [. . .]
+ I'll do that, Mark. Thanks! Also, I read somewhere that simply reducing the weight of cars could do more to reduce carbon emissions [. . .]
+ Great post, E.D.! I hadn't thought of this in this way before. You may also be interested in Joe Carter's post this morning, which takes [. . .]
+ Not entirely apropos, but if you're interested in a well-written resource about energy issues, with a healthy dose of skepticism about anthropogenic climate change, I [. . .]
+ Here are a few examples from a quick Google search: Christian Science Monitor: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0924/p02s25-usgn.html City Pages: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2009/09/michele_bachman_19.php New York Magazine:http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/09/has_nancy_pelosis_fear_of_poli_1.html Ed O'Keefe at the Washington Post: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/09/eye_opener_census_worker_hange.html Landon Ross at [. . .]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1926180,00.html

+ You've responded to my accusation of occluding the issue by... further occluding the issue. The Republicans offer no material alternative on deficit spending to the [. . .]

Please point me to some posts that came out and said that this was an example of Teaparty violence.

 
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