State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

No Private Sector Experience Necessary
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Glenn Beck – hero or villain?
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The Height of Disingenuity
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In Defense of Industrial Agriculture
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One green to rule them all…
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Jumping To Conclusions
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Momentum for marijuana legalization builds
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Andy McCarthy, just askin’ questions
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The comments...

Barry
+ I'm old enough to remember when pundits praised Bush's cabinet for having the highest percentage of CEO's ever/or in a very long time. Perhaps [. . .]
North

Wait, the left? Hey Bob consarn it! You don't get to blame Beck on the left! *shakes fist*

North
+ Yeah most likely. Well nothing to be done for it but to keep on making cracks in the dike. The Drug warriors will run out [. . .]
North
+ The omnivore's delusion always seemed pretty soundly grounded to me. This one is a bit more of an all purpose screed. I particularly was amused [. . .]
North
+ Quite frankly they can move themselves. But even if we agreed (for some political reason) to pay completely to move them it would still be [. . .]
dave
+ I don't know - I know several scientists and they generally are not very political. I know that there's a tendency to say that [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Constant assertions? Could you provide an example of the assertions and, perhaps, demonstrate how they are constant? Could you also provide an example of the "left" [. . .]

So many caveats and provisos as to overcome "He Reaped What They Sowed"?

+ I'm reading more and more of these posts, and the disconnect between the constant assertions from the right wing that liberals were jumping to conclusions, [. . .]
carlos the dwarf

There are those pesky little things called people growing the strawberries, you know. Are you going to pay to move them?

Jaybird
+ Oh, I am cynical about GW as well. (I would be less cynical if more greens were full-throated supporters of nukular power.) The non-scientists who call [. . .]
Jaybird
+ If you look at the data and the data brings you to the conclusion that the globe is, indeed, cooling... and it turns out later [. . .]
+ Are you really working at MPP, Max? I'm kind of jealous, given that I applied for a job there and they never got back to [. . .]
Bob Cheeks

Are we witnessing the collapse of the Left?

North
+ The sooner the better. Oh I wish Obama would grab this. It smells like a second term sort of thing though. No politician with any [. . .]
North

I never thought I'd wish Beck well. In as much as he really wants to ratchet down American foreign entanglements though, I wish him godspeed.

+ You mean the real reason? I suspect it has something to do with drug warriors not wanting there to be any opportunity to second-guess the [. . .]
+ Been waiting for ages for you guys to talk about this. I just started working at MPP and wondered where the Gentlemen were on [. . .]
North

Damnit why? I mean seriously, why?!

+ Once again, the Jared Diamond Discover Magazine piece, a prefiguring of points he’ll develop later in his Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed. [. . .]
Scott
+ I too have to laugh at your characterization of "a bunch of out-of-context emails." I think the authors are very clear that they don't want [. . .]
+ "The emails didn’t show that global warming is a concocted hoax, per se…" It's kinda early yet to make any judgments on the data (not just [. . .]
Scott
+ I for one am going hunting for the ManBearPig this weekend. I hear that he has been spotted in my area and I want to [. . .]
+ "…they immediately jump to conclusions about a bunch of out-of-context emails." The "out of context" gambit will work for a while, except that they are not [. . .]

Thanks for your analysis of my character, but no thanks.

+ Yes, the ban on DDT has saved some birds. But, "No person was going to die"? That's not the way I remember it but, OK. [. . .]
Scott
+ The point that you so verbosely miss is that speculating is fine. However, all but saying that right wing nutjobs killed the guy is not [. . .]
+ Nigel Lawson summarized the content of the e-mails in this way:"Astonishingly, what appears, at least at first blush, to have emerged is that (a) [. . .]

I believe we can add a diagnosis to the DSM III -- Beck/Palin Hate/Obsession Disorder, with Friedersdorf and Sullivan as case studies.

http://bonzai.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/25/the-beck-and-palin-haters.html

Bob Cheeks
+ JB, here's a link that may be of value: http://thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-climate-e-mails-and-the-politics-of-science . It should be good fun to watch this develop. It seems a significant portion [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ JB, thanks for your comments. Being an old ranger and having experienced similar phenomenon in the 60's, 70's etc., I was and am cynical about [. . .]
+ A particularly thoughtful post, I think. I am more confident that the science behind climate change is sound, but I worry that having a [. . .]
Jaybird
+ The emails didn't show that global warming is a concocted hoax, per se... But they do demonstrate, once again, the problem of "consensus science". When it [. . .]
+ It is obvious over a century of pollutants from the Industrial Age has had some impact on climate change and the environment. The problem is [. . .]
Adam
+ Call me arrogant, but the "ideal" temperature for the earth is that which we have experienced for the past few hundred years and has [. . .]
+ I think this standard for burden of proof is frankly unfair to public figures. Every conspiracy we have to chase down the rabbit hole detracts [. . .]
+ This is how I put it in my post on this back in August (forgive the cut and paste): Burden of proof is the [. . .]
Bob Cheeks
+ Thanks JB, but I eschew the ideological, we must move in the realm of reason/nous and not descend into the underworld of opinion and your [. . .]
eric dietrick

whoops, meant as a reply to roque nuevo. Sorry all.

eric dietrick
+ Some friendly advice, you might want to use another example besides DDT. Given that the Earth is our only current place of residence, and given that [. . .]
Jaybird

Oh, Bob. I consider you a paleo, not a mere "right-winger".

You've got an ideology there! It's not merely opposition. Don't sell yourself short!

+ Tim Kowal - McCarthy's entire line of inquiry is so silly it detracts from serious efforts to uncover relevant information about Obama. We're talking about a [. . .]
Dave PV
+ Well, DDT was found to be the cause of thinning eggs in the top predator, in this case a bird of prey, the Peregrine falcon. [. . .]
North
+ I'll believe the environmental groups are genuinely concerned about AGW when I see their brain dead hate-fetish of nuclear power vanish and not a moment [. . .]
Bob Cheeks

JB, on behalf of right wingers everywhere, thank you!

North
+ Or... humbly... we could stop growing strawberries and tomatoes in the deserts of California and instead grow them somewhere moist and warm instead of just [. . .]
 
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