State of the Discussion

The posts in play...

Liberaltarian Envy
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Beer Blogging: Are cans better?
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Russell Moore on Glenn Beck
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Fun campaign lists
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The Mosque and the Meta-Debate
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The comments...

62across
+ @Michael Drew, I think your "Reform Libertarianism" has is about right. Liberaltarianism is ALL about principled libertarians finally realizing that fusionism with the right [. . .]
Jason Kuznicki
+ @LawMonkey, I have never had that problem with Brooklyns. Could it be that your refrigerator is just a tad too warm, and their highly [. . .]
Jason Kuznicki
+ @Matthew Schmitz, Would a Mormon as president of the United States give greater credibility and prestige to Mormonism? The answer is almost certainly yes. [. . .]
+ @Matthew Schmitz, Oh, brother! Next thing you know, you're going to be offering up apologies for Scott Stapp and telling us that Creed belongs in [. . .]
Jason Kuznicki

So because Glenn Beck isn't a social conservative, he's "disingenuous"?

My, you have high standards.

pinkerd
+ Can we have a look at HHH's nomination acceptance speech in 1968? Yes, at that benighted Democratic convention in Chicago. I thought the [. . .]
Bob

"...eloquent warning...."

That's a joke, right"

Sam M
+ "(Dropping a can on a sharp rock was how a caveman first discovered how to shotgun a can of beer—another thing you can’t do with [. . .]
Randy F.
+ @Michael Drew, I'll go halfway on this one: perhaps "given serious thought" may be a little over inclusive, but I think it's a good shorthand [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ @Murali, These are very much debates that are taking place within the broad tent of modern American liberalism. You're picking and choosing the views [. . .]
Murali

@Randy F.,

I agree with 1) and 2), but I dont know how no 3 works into liberaltarianism instead of right-libertarianism

Murali
+ @Michael Drew, I'm not sure what you mean by modern liberalism. The neo-liberal consensus of the 90s seems to have been rejected by a lot [. . .]
+ For me as a European your description of an alternative just sounds like the classical European "Christian Democrats" - Christian (most often: Catholic) on social [. . .]
James Vonder Haar
+ @David Schaengold, I think these are ultimately the wrong poles to hash out on this position. It doesn't really matter whether one believes that [. . .]
greginak
+ @Scott, perhaps somebody should ask the people at the mosque that is four blocks from the WTC site and has been there for like 40 [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ @Randy F., What about people of those stripes who have done those things but say they aren't liberaltarians? Are they liberaltarians regardless of how [. . .]
+ @Mike Schilling, Yeah... Biden's a great nominee for Happy Warrior-dom. He had some great (and underrated) stump speeches near the end of the campaign, [. . .]
Randy F.
+ How's this for a flip summary of liberaltarianism/liberaltarians: 1) A liberaltarian is a liberal who has given serious thought to Hayek; 2) A liberaltarian is a libertarian [. . .]
LawMonkey
+ @JosephFM, At least until Guinness licenses the "rocket widget" out, or their(?) patent expires. Side note on Brooklyn Lager: I just cracked open a can, [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ @Murali, As far as I can tell, what you're describing is modern liberalism. Do you think libertarians would go for that? To the [. . .]
Mike Schilling
+ @Matthew Schmitz, On the contrary, we are a better country because many Americans do take their faith, and the faith of others, very seriously indeed. But [. . .]
Murali
+ Liberaltarianism is blth philosophy and political movement. 1. First the philosophy bit. Miberaltarian philosophy is going to appeal to people like me. I'm basically a Rawlsian [. . .]
+ @Joe Carter, Thanks, Joe. The fact that this is the among the strongest defenses of marriage and unborn life to appear on the League means [. . .]

@Matthew Schmitz,

Link: http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2007/12/a-mormon-in-the-white-house

+ @Mike Schilling, Let's bracket Moore's specific comments in order to look at the issue you raise. Richard John Neuhaus had a telling related comment on [. . .]
+ @T. Greer, This is a great comment: stakes out a position, argues it calmly at helpful length. Thanks. It's obvious why gay-marriage proponents would disagree with [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ @Michael Drew, Written in haste, but you get the gist. If it's working for people, I don't need to understand it precisely, it's just [. . .]
Michael Drew
+ This is why I say the thing needs an ontology. Is it a practical coalition of different-minded people who align on ecrtain issues, or [. . .]
Murali

@Scott,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51#Muslims

+ @T. Greer, As a principle, when individual rights are at stake the number of victims being violated is not the point -- one or a million [. . .]
Scott
+ @gregiank, I've not heard any respected Imam come out against the plan, have you? Even without a Pope surely one of them has common decency [. . .]
Murali
+ @David Schaengold, Look, lets us suppose that Newt Gingrich is not actually a bigot, but merely a demagogue. In that case, his churning the waters [. . .]

@Joe Carter,
Yesirree, to hell with the libertarians -- praise the social police!

Travis
+ @T. Greer, your argument is one that comes from a position of privilege — being able to marry the person you love. Telling those of us [. . .]
Mike Schilling
+ @David Schaengold, What Newt is guilty of is being willing to demonize a group of his fellow Americans for partisan gain. (And without the [. . .]
Mike Schilling

Happy Warrior Joe Biden (though Huck's also a good choice).

Mike Schilling

I found the harping on Beck's Mormonism offensive rather than eloquent. But I suppose that's just me being a godless moral relativist.

+ Is marriage a small thing? If you are talking about its relation to the millions of American children who live in unstable one-parent households, then [. . .]
Randy F.
+ "where the liberaltarians can claim Sweden, a model of efficiency, modernism, free markets, free people, opportunity and optimism about the future – what kind of [. . .]
Travis
+ @Eagle Driver, no, I really haven't. I have deep sympathy for those who lost loved ones in a horrible terrorist attack. But that sympathy does not [. . .]
Travis
+ You're right, marriage is no small thing. It's no small thing to deny rights to a minority group based on nothing more than the basest forms [. . .]
Jaybird
+ Matthew 8:1-10 New American Evangelical Edition 1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and [. . .]

@Lisa Kramer, That speech continues to send chills up my spine.

+ So much good stuff here, and no time to adequately and appropriately respond right now. But don't sell your ideology short here - there [. . .]
+ @Will, The scene with Redford in the car repeating campaign jargon to the point of nonsense is classic. I'm iffy on Michael Douglas. [. . .]
Dan Miller

@JosephFM, The Huck works, and I might also nominate Al Franken. He's got an edge, but gosh darn it, he's just so personable.

+ @JosephFM, Wow, good call on Huckabee. You're right - I enjoyed his campaign style as well. A friend of mine offered up Jon Tester as [. . .]
 
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