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From NBC New York: Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested, Sources Say
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AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Stillwater
+ Have you read my comments here? It doesn't seem so. I've said about five times how I fully support stripping police unions of their ability to shield [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to CJColucci
+ "I'd like to have a serious discussion about police unions." CJ and Chip: "You're not being serious, you're just up to your old tricks again." "No, I'd [. . .]
AvatarKazzy in reply to Jaybird
+ D'oh! I don't know how Twitter works. Anyway, it's a fake Hillary Clinton tweet saying: "I heard the unfortunate news that Ghislaine Maxwell has [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Stillwater
+ Its true that in times where there is a lot of fury and polarization, nuanced positions get hard to hold. Its equally true that times of [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Stillwater
+ Chip, you understand Jaybird’s argument against unions perfectly well. You disagree with him. What I don’t understand is why you can’t just say that. “Jaybird, I [. . .]
AvatarPhilip H in reply to Aaron David
+ A reminder that the current residential sections of DC are all on the Maryland side of the Potomac River, so they would go to one [. . .]
AvatarPhilip L.H in reply to Michael Siegel
+ If what's left of DC is retroceded to Maryland they still have only two senators. If DC becomes the 51st state they get two [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Chip Daniels
+ in which case the union will be collateral damage in pursuit of the bigger target. Or not. Which is why getting clear on the role cop [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Stillwater
+ I thought that's what I was saying, in the comment about how we can strip police unions of disciplinary procedures. But I suspect you're right, that [. . .]
+ I would love to walk as a change-up to my regular (cross-country ski simulator/exercise dvd) program, but not right now, not when the heat indexes [. . .]
+ Yeah. The wacky thing is that I see how someone who supports socialism is likely to see the need for a very, very strong police [. . .]
AvatarKazzy in reply to Jaybird

AvatarStillwater in reply to Chip Daniels
+ Chip, you understand Jaybird's argument against unions perfectly well. You disagree with him. What I don't understand is why you can't just say that. "Jaybird, [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Jaybird

Ah, but can you understand why this leads some people to support socialism?

AvatarStillwater in reply to Stillwater
+ I need an asterisk up there. It's more accurate (at least from my pov) to say that *cop unions* rebel against any criticism or proposed [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Swami
+ I think you're wrong about that Swami. You're criticizing BLM for incorrectly framing the debate around these issues rather than criticizing cops for how they [. . .]
AvatarSwami in reply to George Turner

Since this is so important to Lee, I certainly hope he responds. I would really like to hear his reactions.

AvatarSwami in reply to Jaybird
+ My take on this thread is that pretty much everyone agrees that unions should be reformed, at a minimum. This is actually a higher level [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird
+ I've appeared several times before Judge Preska and know her to be a straight shooter, so I looked up the decision. There was a routine [. . .]
AvatarPinky in reply to Pinky
+ My point is positive, not normative. I'm not saying an officer has a right to shoot you regardless of the circumstances. I don't [. . .]
AvatarSwami in reply to Oscar Gordon
+ Well said as usual, Oscar And since Ferguson, as per my discussion below with Stillwater, there are almost two thousand extra black people murdered each year. [. . .]
AvatarSwami in reply to Stillwater
+ We both agree that cops need to be "reigned in and reformed." Since nearly half of all adverse police actions occur to a portion of [. . .]

Oh, well then. Let's just go back to talking about how important police reform is and how we, seriously, need it.

AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird
+ It must be frustrating when people don't want to engage in substantive discussions on a topic that interests you, whenever you feel like inserting it [. . .]
+ Of course I understand why someone voted for Trump. I can even come up with explanations that are not "because they are bad". And when I think [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Chip Daniels
+ We've all seen this move before, Jaybird asking if someone "understands" why someone else thinks something. For example, can you "understand" why people voted for [. . .]
+ It's not my "beef". It was the proposition that had me boggled. Hey, if you think that opposing police unions is foolish (but you understand how [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Jaybird
+ Thats your big beef? That I can't understand why someone might hold a foolish view? Ok sure, I can easily understand why some might want to get [. . .]
+ Well, the wacky thing, is that we're not even at "Police Unions, given their documented behavior, need to be abolished". We're at "I don't understand how [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird
+ And some are right and some are wrong and some disagree that what has been "pointed out" is, in fact, true, or, if true, all [. . .]
+ Well, the wacky thing, is that *EVERYBODY* supports bad cops being fired. Then it's pointed out that Police Unions are responsible for bad cops not being [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Swami

Would a gatekeeper please liberate a comment stuck in moderation? Thanks.

+ I'm sorry, but the creation of a rump federal district persuaded me against it. So we're going to create a district within Maryland and then [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird
+ Equally to whom? I haven't said a word against firing bad police officers and neither, so far as I can tell from the comments around [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Swami
+ Swami, the fact that police departments can unilaterally decide who gets policed, and how, is (to me) evidence that police powers need to be reined [. . .]
+ Speaking of my state of Sangamon, Big City and most of its suburbs (enough of them, enough of the time) trend blue so that the [. . .]

Are the folks most likely to be offended by being called "riff-raff" equally opposed to the firing of bad police officers?

AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird

Come to my neighborhood if you want a look around. But be careful who you call "riff-raff."

+ Some people think that crime does it. Others think that cops are a weapon to be trained against the riff-raff who might move in. Who can say? [. . .]
AvatarCJColucci in reply to Jaybird

In my neighborhood? Not likely -- at least by some folks' ideas of what makes property values drop.

AvatarSwami in reply to Stillwater
+ I think the article I linked to earlier made this clear. Ferguson was the last "spark" and the net result of our actions appears to [. . .]

I "hope" your "property values" remain "high".

AvatarAaron David in reply to gabriel conroy
+ To run with your point about splitting up a red state, living here in the PNW as both Burt and I do, there is a [. . .]
+ I don't know if it's garbage (granted that I've read only Will's summary), but the decline in gun ownership would have to be dramatic, not [. . .]
AvatarStillwater in reply to Chip Daniels
+ Right. Pinky's argument here - that when being detained by the police they can justifiably shoot you (or taze you, or chokehold you, etc) at [. . .]
+ Nice work. There's a park in the woods near here that has a 3.8 mile loop. I've been hitting that (walking, not jogging) once or twice [. . .]
AvatarOscar Gordon in reply to Pinky
+ You need to read up on the incident, because the officer put Castille in an impossible position. Basically, Castille was carrying in a holster on his [. . .]