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First Presidential Debate Topics Set for Tuesday
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How To Resolve The Supreme Court Dilemma Open Thread
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Russell Michaels
Perverse Incentives
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Indiana To Fully Reopen, But Mask Requirement Remains
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Indictment For Police Officer Involved in Breonna Taylor Shooting
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Trump For Supreme Court Justice?
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Thank You, Ruth; I Am, Because You Were
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A Lament For Autumn, Now That Spring Is So Far Away
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Sometimes, You Get Burned: A Personal Account of The Whitney Fire
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Clare Briggs
In Second Place
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The comments...

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Chip Daniels
+ Heck, Obama gleefully tossed the law out the window whenever it suited him, such as he did with immigration, arguing that since Congress hadn't passed [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw
+ Yet another way to tell if you're living in an authoritarian regime, when the president announces he may or may not abide by the law, [. . .]
AvatarAlan Scott
+ My plan is simple, and doesn't require a constitutional amendment: *Size of court not fixed *A new justice appointed by the president every 2 years, immediately following [. . .]
AvatarSaul Degraw

More proof that Trump might not be able to help himself on Tuesday: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-peaceful-transition-if-he-loses-get-rid-ballots-there-n1240896?fbclid=IwAR0yBTo1XxBog8llWaAyTsVMbrSfSpBI8OK9Zi_yWVcSeQSt_HhqRD6pAt0

AvatarAlan Scott in reply to Pinky
+ You want Reagan and George HW Bush picking them. I don't think Alito is ever going to surprise anybody. But the real problem is that [. . .]
AvatarAnthony
+ Perverse incentives can erode social norms pretty quickly. At the time, people said that welfare for unmarried mothers would go from being young widows (many [. . .]

We need to hammer out whether we, as a society, want less of a police presence or whether we want more of one.

+ If they can enforce wear your mask (including your damned nose), and wash/properly sanitize your hands regularly, the results might be surprisingly good. That [. . .]

At least in the places I've lived, grand jury members are sworn to secrecy for extended periods.

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to greginak
+ Did anyone say they were out in the hall, watching the police, and there was no knock? Did anyone say they were listening with [. . .]
Avatargreginak in reply to George Turner

Spit take......lol......So you're only a witness if you saw something positively happen. If you didn't see something your observation is useless. Excelsior.

AvatarPhilip H

That's not gonna end well. But it will be educational for anyone who dares to pay attention.

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Jaybird
+ I don't think they can. Kentucky requires an indictment by a grand jury for crimes like the one's that were charged. In a [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Philip H

I've never heard of a book by a grand juror. Do you mean books by jurors?

+ I know how it works in theory. I also know how it works in practice (in theory). Hence the "ham sandwich" observation and the additional observation [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to greginak
+ I didn't hear a knock either. Not witnessing something means someone isn't a witness. Breonna's boyfriend definitely heard it, which is why he [. . .]
+ After a few days of the city being on fire, Minneapolis authorities decided to change their minds about charging the cops who were present at [. . .]
Avatargreginak in reply to Jaybird

Per noted marxist liberal Radley Balko 1 person said they heard a knock but 11 other witnesses said they didn't hear a knock.

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Jaybird
+ The police officers executing the raid weren't the ones who obtained the warrant. That guy was Joshua Jaynes, who was reassigned later. The officer [. . .]
AvatarPhilip H in reply to George Turner
+ given the number of tell all books and interviews given by high profile grand jurors these days I suspect it will come out eventually. But that's [. . .]
AvatarEm Carpenter in reply to Jaybird
+ No, he was not the one who shot her. Breonna is not the victim of the wanton endangerment charge. So nobody is going to be [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels in reply to InMD
+ Right, because another hallmark of an authoritarian regime is the Wilhoit Principle where they have laws that bind some without protecting, and protect some without [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Philip H

How would anyone find out if they did? It's not like any prosecutor is going to disavow an indictment.

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Jaybird
+ Our grand juries might be a bit more independent than average, or maybe they're just more crotchety, or maybe the cases that stick out most [. . .]
+ Seems like they wasted some resources on getting the no-knock warrant and then announcing themselves and knocking first and then having a conversation through the [. . .]
+ Was the cop who shot through the apartment walls the one who shot Breonna Taylor? If not (or if we don't know), then we could well [. . .]
AvatarDensityDuck in reply to Jaybird
+ "Surely overreaching on the charges (and then failing to get Murder 1 or whatever) would be better for everybody in the long run" Eh. I [. . .]
+ It seems that the pro-Trump activists are getting what they wanted: Protesters surround a man trying to defend his business, and begin smashing the windows #Louisville [. . .]
AvatarPhilip H in reply to George Turner
+ The question put before the grand jury is really very simple. “Did this person commit a criminal act for which they should be [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Chip Daniels
+ Read my above comments on the powers of a grand jury. One of the ways we are NOT an authoritarian regime is that all [. . .]
+ Oh, you're not familiar with the "ham sandwich" line? It's been around for a while. Maybe it's an "East of the Mississippi" thing. From what I [. . .]

Thank you for taking the time for such an annotated reading.

AvatarInMD in reply to Chip Daniels

I think it's unlikely they did anything unlawful, which is the problem.

If you'd like to read the agreement between the Police Union and Louisville/Jefferson County, you can do so here. (The agreement dates back to 2018.)

AvatarChip Daniels in reply to Jaybird

"I find myself idly wondering if they *WANT* riots."

I don't. Wonder "idly" that is.

Revealed: pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts

AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Jaybird
+ Well here a prosecutor can't really indict anyone, except via "an information". The prosecutor can charge someone, or not charge someone, as can [. . .]
AvatarInMD in reply to Em Carpenter
+ That's because what happened to her is probably lawful, despicable and disgraceful as it is. Criminal charges would be just even if they may [. . .]
AvatarChip Daniels
+ One of the signs that you are living in an authoritarian regime, is when the regime flouts the law brazenly in full view, and [. . .]
Avatarsuperdestroyer in reply to Mike Schilling
+ Also, Taft became Chief justice of the Supreme Court after being president. It was always believed that Taft like being a justice better than [. . .]
+ I'm told that a prosecutor worth his salt could indict a ham sandwich. If true, this is evidence of the prosecutors dragging their feet but acknowledging [. . .]
AvatarGeorge Turner in reply to Em Carpenter
+ A nearby civilian witness in the apartments confirmed that the officers announced themselves, as did Breonna Taylor's boyfriend who reportedly stated (later) that he "didn't [. . .]
+ He said for about the first 5-10 minutes, when the fire came in both from the east and the south, he was a little worried. [. . .]