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Comments on The Hedgehog Who Won by pillsy in reply to Jaybird

Don't care. The situation's not reversed.

Sometimes your ideological beliefs and partisan interests align. Seems silly to pull your punches when they do.

Yes and she's actually saying something correct.

If so this is the first I've heard about it, and it's not the stated rationale, nor is it remotely plausibly the real reason, for what's happening now.

Of course what has actually happened is the opposite: the WH backed off on criticizing what the PRC is doing in Hong Kong in order to avoid upsetting the trade negotiations.

Because that's not what we're doing? Trade isn't charity.

Trump sent out a tweet “ordering” American companies to look for alternatives to the Chinese market? Apparently saying we have lots “trillions” of dollars because of China.

I'm sure George will be along shortly to tell us that this is extremely smart and good.

Good job remaining capitated my dude.

Bah God is that Jaybird's music?!

Oh good don't leave! You had me going there for a second.

LGM is weirder than that though. It's not just left of center, it's kind of a weird monoculture that I've largely if not entirely abandoned even though the last time I was there regularly I disagreed with the posters rarely.

Yes, the desperate need for the partisans of Team Red to validate and rationalize the random twitches of Donald Trump's brain worms does not bode well for politics or discourse.

Thanks for providing such a perfect demonstration.

FWIW, I haven't.

I think "Face of the Democratic Party" is a contestable and contested thing, and will be so at least until we have a Presidential nominee.

Yeah I think this is mostly right. But I think it takes a general election victory for a candidate to really cement their identity as "face of the party".

That may be a lot of the reason incumbents have such an advantage most of the time, and why drawing even moderately serious primary challenges (a la Ford and Carter) is such a bad sign.

Is The Face of The Democratic Party whoever gets on TV the most?

By this standard, wouldn't the face of the GOP be... Trump?

Which, well, yeah.

One of the things about being the party out of power is that the role of "face of the party" is up for grabs in the way it isn't for the party that controls the White House.

Well it seems the question here is focused on what the Dems will go when they’re actually in power. Which is TBF different from the others.

I think you're underestimating the possible benefits of the strategy. It also can cause internal dissension along fault lines within the party, which is a big part of the reason the rest of the Dems can't just say, "Oh, pfft, they're idiots!"

The Democratic Party, if you look at polling, generally identifies with the majority as either self-described "moderates" or "conservatives". Say what you will about the party lurching Leftward, such folks are not terribly enamored of the Squad either.

Also, like, the GOP is painting the Squad as the "face of the Democratic Party", and the reason isn't because the Squad is super-popular among Dems.

If their positions were closer to that of the modal Democrat, it wouldn't be nearly as damaging to make them the face of the Party, if they weren't just the face by default already.

I don't think it's particularly bad that the GOP is trying to make the Squad the face of the Democratic Party. Such maneuvers are all in the game.

But I think we should factor those efforts in when it comes to questions of how representative they are of the Democratic Party as a whole.

It's so awesome that we have you and Trump to tell us stupid Jews what our interests are.