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Be careful!

The UK Guardian reported that the LAPD planted wired informants into anti-Trump activist groups.

The LA case is one of several across the country of law enforcement aggressively targeting anti-Trump and anti-fascist groups with monitoring and criminal trials.

In Sacramento, police worked with neo-Nazis to pursue cases against leftwing activists, including seeking charges against anti-fascist protesters who were stabbed at a white supremacist rally. In Berkeley, police collaborated with a violent pro-Trump demonstrator to prosecute a leftwing group last year, and there have been similar controversies in Washington DC, Oregon and other states.

So now they're going to be even more paranoid.

You'll show up for a pre-protest meeting and have an encounter with Paisley, who downed eight Starbuck's Bold Signature Espressos that morning. He'll slam you up against a wall and start screaming "Are you a cop, man?!!! Are you with the pigs?! Raegan, McKinli, check him for wires!"

While you're screaming sincere denials, Aiden and Chase chime in with "The fascist cops are bugging informants!" and "They're planting cameras in people's bums, man!"

Maisie screeches "The only way to check is with an organic artisanal shade-grown latte enema!" and Chet says "With Texas Pete hot sauce!"

Brooklyn cries "Texas Pete is cultural appropriation! It's totally racist you inauthentic pretender!" and Maelynn says "It's got to be Sriracha!"

You're only chance of escape will be to rely on your intimate knowledge of hot sauces to foil them at every turn.

"Listen to me, please. Sriracha is run by a bunch of South Vietnamese capitalists who blighted their local community, which took them to court!"

Claire retorts with "El Tapatio then!" and you coolly reply "El Tapatio is made in Vernon California, near downtown LA, and its exported to Mexico."

Brooklyn says "Do I look like I care?" and you icily stare at her and say "It's packed with xantham gum and sodium benzoate. Do you even read labels?"

Tristen says "Cholulua, then!" and you see your chance.

"Cholula is owned by Jose Cuervo, which is a corporate giant with 35% global market share. They're owned both by the ultra-wealthy Beckmann family (with two n's), and the giant global corporations that are the merged spawn of Guinness, Gilbey's (the UK's largest producer), and other world-wide entities. Are you people anti-fascists or corporate sales reps for mass market distilling giants?!"

At that point you should have them back on their heels, and that's when you need to go on the offensive and crush the pampered little snowflakes.

So, be prepared for anything.

I think the law is pretty clearly doesn't apply to constitutional conventions, or voting people out of office, or other mechanisms that are built in to ensure a peaceful transition of power.

In full, it says:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

Congress is considering outlawing Antifa on similar grounds, declaring it a terrorist organization.

The left often regards such people on their side as kind of cute, perhaps "passionate idealists", while at the same time losing their minds over a half dozen skin-head high-school drop-outs on the right.

However, the scary ones are those with serious military training and hardware, often former veterans who come home and set up shop as tactical shooting instructors and such, because that's what they know.

Timothy McVeigh taught the government to take such people very seriously, and the "revolutionary" ones are usually quite distinguishable from the militia (Bundy Ranch) types who are armed to the teeth but just want the government to leave them alone.

One of my friends, who spent time in Iraq as a contractor for Blackwater Security, got a little too chummy in some vets he met in some activist online Facebook and gun forums. One day he got a call from a pal he knew in the FBI, who warned him that he was associating with people who were being watched very closely, and that he might want to cut ties. He did.

One vet and former law man who ran a popular Youtube channel, along with teaching tactical courses in Tennessee, got all irked one day about Biden saying Obama would use executive orders to institute gun control. So the Youtuber posted an angry video saying "I'm telling you, if that happens, it's going to spark a civil war, and I'll be glad to fire the first shot" along with a few other even juicier bits.

The government immediately intervened, and his next Youtube video was with his attorney, where he said "In another video I said some pretty volatile stuff, which I apologize for. I do not - in any way - advocate overthrowing the United States government. Nor do I condone violent actions toward any elected officials."

The threat of twenty years in prison can help a person gain clarity.

See 18 U.S. Code § 2385.

Advocating for the overthrow of the US government, or even knowingly affiliating with those who do, is punishable by 20 years in federal prison.

Well, we did manage to execute quite a few Soviet spies, but not soon enough to stop them from stealing our atomic secrets and building a vast nuclear arsenal that let them keep all of Eastern Europe subjugated, along with spreading all over the place and dumping tens of millions of people into mass graves, which is how communists roll.

The reason to toss communists out of government (as the US Army recently did with a newly minted officer) is that they have to lie when they swear an oath to defend the Constitution because their allegiance is to a dictatorship of the proletariat, one where people don't have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, or really any rights at all. The idea of limited government is completely alien to Marxism and to its offspring, Fascism and Nazism.

So we outlawed communism, without a single vote of Democrat opposition in either house, and over the opposition of J Edgar Hoover. Contrary to what you may have been told, it is still US law, starting at 50 U.S.C. § 841 to § 844, under chapter 23, Internal Security, part IV, Communist Control.

The Congress finds and declares that the Communist Party of the United States, although purportedly a political party, is in fact an instrumentality of a conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States. It constitutes an authoritarian dictatorship within a republic, demanding for itself the rights and privileges accorded to political parties, but denying to all others the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution.

California finally rolled back their ban on communists in state employment or in public education in 2017, which, along with their poverty, is one clear sign that they're becoming a communist state, which is something that everybody has known for a long time.

The Supreme Court didn't strike down bans on communist party membership as unconstitutional, they merely said the laws were too broadly defined and that a person had to share the illegal intent of the communist party before they could be tossed out of their jobs.

It's a tricky issue, similar to banning membership in terrorist organizations like ISIS or Al Qaeda, which have broadly similar aims of government overthrow, subjugation, and mass murder, but in the name of Allah instead of the proletariat.

I'm guessing I'm the only person here who supports McCarthyism. Well, someone's got to do it.

There are communists in government who work to undermine our country and they needed to be rooted out. John Brennan, Obama's CIA director, was somehow was put in charge of the CIA despite voting for the Communist Party's candidate, which he admitted in his CIA interview. I'm pretty sure that in WW-II the OSS wouldn't retain agents who said they supported the Nazi party, they'd start a big file on them and have the FBI tap their telephone.

The left freaks out when they some some cop with a Nordic pagan tattoo that can be indirectly linked to some Scandinavian motorcycle club that has some members who support something that can be construed as Nazi-adjacent, mainly because the Nazi's co-opted Scandinavian and Teutonic imagery to build their bizarre cultural superman mythos. But they can run avowed communists for office and support Democratic Socialists who praise the old Soviet Union as the ideal. Yet based on oppression and genocide, the communists are objectively worse than the Nazis, plus historically, they didn't dress nearly as well.

1996 WaPo story on the Venona transcripts

The recent publication of a batch of Venona transcripts gives evidence that the Roosevelt and Truman administrations were rife with communist spies and political operatives who reported, directly or indirectly, to the Soviet government, much as their anti-communist opponents charged. The Age of McCarthyism, it turns out, was not the simple witch hunt of the innocent by the malevolent as two generations of high school and college students have been taught.

The sum and substance of this growing body of material is that: Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, executed in June 1953 for atomic espionage, were guilty; Alger Hiss, a darling of the establishment was guilty; and that dozens of lesser known persons such as Victor Perlo, Judith Coplon and Harry Gold, whose innocence of the accusations made against them had been a tenet of leftist faith for decades, were traitors or, at the least, the ideological vassals of a foreign power.

I recommend reading the whole thing (If you can dodge the paywall), because it also discusses all the sweeping cultural and political shifts that occurred as a result of botching the classified NSA identification of Soviet agents in the US, which of course couldn't be revealed at the time.

Maybe they shouldn't have shouldered a paranoid alcoholic with the role of being the heavy hand of government.

And he can't. Bloomberg estimates his net worth at $2.8 billion. Forbes estimates it at $3.5 billion, down from $4.5 billion in 2015. And there's those crafty Russians with maybe $180,000 to throw around. It would be like trying to corrupt a New York cop, and having him put his career at risk, by offering him three dollars.

It's both ludicrous and stupid.

In contrast, many pundits noted that Hillary has a pathological need for money. Some think it's because she grew up relatively poor, and as first lady of Arkansas was often the poorest person in the room, as they entertained both old money and new billionaires from families like the Waltons (Walmart) and Tyson Foods. Thus a pattern of siphoning up every dollar even when she doesn't objectively need to. For example, she made her own campaign pay her a salary for being her campaign's candidate. Nobody could recall any candidate ever doing that before, and she certainly didn't need to. Yet she did it anyway, because she has to be getting over on someone.

Here's a telling look from August, 2016, in two parts

Donald Trump’s campaign doubled its spending in July, even though the Republican nominee still only employed about 80 people, aired no television ads and maintained ties with his fired campaign manager and the writer who plagiarized part of his wife’s convention speech.

80 people and low low spending, compared to:

Clinton, in contrast, reported 703 staffers, $2m on travel and signs of new offices. In July, her campaign spent a total of $38m, filings show, mostly on advertising. Last week, Trump spent $4.8m on his first general election ads, which aired in four swing states.

If also noted that Mook refused to say the Clinton Foundation wouldn't keep accepting foreign contributions during the campaign.

Well, his list (even specifically the 313 number) probably stems from either Wiki or a source listed by wiki in their entry on right wing terrorism.

Some of those are highly questionable inclusions. For several the police don't even know of a motive, and for many the cause was mental illness, not ideology.

What's interesting about right-wing terrorism (contrasting the entry with the one on left-wing terrorism) is that it encompasses all things that aren't specifically Islamic terrorism or an attempted communist revolution. Even if the perpetrator is a hard core socialist or fully agrees with "The Squad", if the attack was not aimed at overthrowing the government and replacing it with a communist regime, and if they didn't shout "Allahu Akbar!", the attack apparently gets listed as right-wing terrorism.

A more accurate list is obviously needed.

Witchhunt are, again, the result of concertrated effort to turn the population against _something_, for years.

Which is what the Democrat party and the media have been doing ever since Trump's victory. Hillary retained Fusion GPS, which paid for the dossier that said Trump was getting golden showers in Moscow. That was probably in response to Trump quipping that maybe the Russians had all her e-mails, so she screamed "He's colluding with the Russians!"

Comey, Strzok, Page, and others used that as a pretext to spy on his campaign, and then try to destroy his administration or remove him from office with the help of other top Obama officials. That failed, so they've spent two years alleging that Trump is a Russian stooge, despite not having a shred of evidence, and despite the charge making no sense whatsoever.

In terms of political ties and influence in US campaigns, and in foreign government lobbying, Russia is almost insignificant. In 2017 their government spent $193,000 over here lobbying for things, whereas the government of Ireland spent $18 million, the government of the Marshall Islands spent $16 million, and the government of Liberia spent $10 million. The government of Korea spent $52 million. How much influence can you buy when you're only throwing an eightieth as much as the Marshall Islands? Even the government of Bermuda wildly outspends the Russians on DC lobbying.

Secondly, Trump didn't need any money. He's the least likely candidate in history to need cash. He also doesn't listen to outside advice, so how the heck could anyone influence him, much less a two-bit foreign operation that didn't even know how to contact his campaign officials?

That's why a huge swath of the public looks at these investigations and sees a paranoid and deranged witch hunt, and an attempt to subvert and undermine the government of the United States, and the people's faith in the government of the United States. If anyone is doing Putin's bidding, it's the Democrats.

So who keeps issuing all the subpoenas to try and prove Trump and all his staffers are secret Russian agents? Which media outlets kept telling us that any day now Trump would be charged with treason and for working for a hostile foreign power? Who keeps telling us that the Russians decided our election?

Ah, I see you're one of those men who didn't let his daughter or wife vote for Hillary! *angry face*

Obviously you didn't read the Mueller report, which noted that the Russians didn't even know how to contact Trump's people, and ended up madly scrambling after having completely dropped the ball.

But yeah, if it helps you get through the day, there are Russians under every rock. They've infiltrated all levels of government, and can read the American public better than Democrat politicians and pollsters because at least 50% of the country is Russian sleeper agents.

Would that be the same guy who's been falsely accused of being a Russian spy for two years?

Just for clarity, I'd go with Stalin because by the time it was becoming apparent that McCarthy might be a real problem, Stalin was a corpse or about to become a corpse.

However, the Kennedy's felt quite differently and wouldn't say a bad word about McCarthy. They even tried to get him to marry their sister.

McCarthyism scares the heck out of me. Democrats see Russians under every rock and bush. I'm afraid to use Russian dressing on my salad. I quit eating beef Stroganoff because Jerry Nadler might use it to link me to Russia. They're flinging subpoenas left and right to find any document that links anyone to Russia, no matter how indirectly, and then they send out teams of FBI agents to arrest them in the middle of the night to make them testify before their committees in their show trials.

Frankly, all of them doing the screaming and investigating are probably Russian agents that Putin is using to undermine the United States and sow as much divisiveness, paranoia, and destruction as possible.

This is of course in start contrast to Stalin and Kruschev, who are still lauded. Just today the New York Times was pointing out that the Soviets launched women and Asians into space long before the US because NASA was a racist and sexist organization. (Apparently the Times hasn't realized which continent Baikonur is on.)

In any event, let the game of intersectional Bingo continue!

There was a poll out yesterday that said swing voters are overwhelmingly familiar with AOC and think of her as representing the Democrat party. She also is wildly unpopular, but not quite as much as Ilhan Omar, of whom only 9% have a positive impression. Nine percent.

What Trump is doing is making sure that the national conversation stays squarely focused on the freshman Democrats who constantly scream that America is an evil racist country controlled by Jews, and who are now pointing out that Democrats are the same backwards white racists who ran the Jim Crow South.

Trump's political genius in 2016 was in openly saying what everyone was thinking, but what everyone was afraid to say publicly because they weren't hearing anyone else say it, except perhaps in their small circle of trusted friends. When the Democrat party embraces members who repeatedly espouse more hatred of America and Americans than we usually hear from Iran or North Korea, a whole lot of voters think "Those hateful, ungrateful wretches should crawl back to whatever broken-down country they came from." That they came from such a country isn't fact, it's an impression that they represent a set of beliefs, values, and emotions that are wildly foreign to our body politic. Trump is both lancing the boil and providing cathartic release, while keeping the focus squarely on the festering issue that the Democrats can't resolve.

He is that horrible uncle that your huge family has to eat Thanksgiving dinner with. Most of the family does not, not, not want to talk about certain sensitive subjects, and the rest of the family knows not to talk about them. Trump is boorish loudmouth from New Jersey who is going to bring those up, squarely and insultingly.

"Tommy, I see you've flunked out of college again. So, Fred, have you finally quit schlepping your secretary? Amber, it's nice that you got into Yale, but if you hate America that much why don't you move to Tehran? And sometime I'll tell you why your mom gave you a stripper name."

He's long-ago understood the family and read the room and he's eating Turkey and stuffing and swinging an ax. A third of the family is horrified and outraged and scream at him to stop, a third are chiming in on his barbs, and a third are staring at their plates and trying hard to suppress the giggles.