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On “Pride and Prejudice: The Gropeless Romantic

She (the brother's wife) later wheedled him down to 400, but in the article it said 500, so I may have remembered that wrong. But she definitely took him through some steps over the first chapter of the book. It very well may be the case I have it wrong, I had just read the book and watched the movie at the same time so I may have my wires crossed.

I really enjoyed your comments! I thank you!

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Yes, me too!! I LOVE that stuff.

On “Mom Vs. Couch – Part 3

If you missed the start of this story, it's here: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/04/21/mom-vs-couch-part-1/#comment-3237402

and Part 2 is here: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/04/28/mom-vs-couch-part-2/#comment-3237403

On “Mom Vs. Couch – Part 2

Looking for part 1? It's here: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/04/21/mom-vs-couch-part-1/#comment-3237402
Part 3, the grand finale, is here: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/05/05/mom-vs-couch-part-3/

On “Mom Vs. Couch – Part 1

Somehow I very foolishly managed not to ever edit in the links to part two and three, so here they are:

Part two: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/04/28/mom-vs-couch-part-2/
Part three: https://ordinary-times.com/2019/05/05/mom-vs-couch-part-3/

On “Joker: Don’t Trust the Narrator

I haven't seen it yet but having read a bit about the unreliable narration and hallucinations, I was even wondering it we may be meant to possibly interpret that even the Batman/Joker stuff was a hallucination and planned to watch it through that lens. Like a guy thinking he was Napoleon. I'll report back when/if I see the movie (husband is not super into this one)

Great piece as always Gabriel!

On “Pride and Prejudice: The Gropeless Romantic

also here's an interesting article about how much the various characters actually made: https://janeaustensworld.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/the-economics-of-pride-and-prejudice-or-why-a-single-man-with-a-fortune-of-4000-per-year-is-a-desirable-husband/

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There is a piece in that, I've thought about doing it before. The 60's-70's sex scenes had some interesting and illuminating things in them, like "Don't Look Now" and "Coming Home" and that all went away for some reason, and your theory certainly makes a lot of sense. :) Thanks for reading.

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The most truly interesting thing about it is how for a very, very long time, I thought that everyone's behavior was entirely justified and only fairly recently have come to realize how utterly wrong my mother was to have done that to me.

Luckily, I don't care a single bit about it now and just find it hilarious and a good story, but that's one thing I do marvel over is how far off my brain was set from reality.

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After having done tons of research into Austen for this and a different project I'm just about to post (plus some personal reasons) I think it was Austen's intent to impugn Mr. Bennet as a man who would rather stick it to his wife and hide in his study than provide financial security for his daughters. Mrs. Bennet is played nowadays as "the bad guy" and Mr. Bennet "the good guy" but I came away with more of an understanding they were more locked in a mutually destructive cycle in which the daughters took the brunt (not unlike what happens in real life, many times)

When I reread the book this time I had a realization that we view Mr. Bennet more kindly from our positions of modernity than it was intended since we may be more likely to be predisposed to like someone who thinks social climbing is wrong, as opposed to one who engages in it, simply because we've seen that dynamic played out more often and social climbing was far more of a necessity rather than a fault back then.

Same with Mary Bennet, as I was rereading PaP I was thinking about how in a modern story, Mary Bennet would have been the protagonist but was not intended to be an admirable character in the book.

(also, in SaS the Dashwoods' drop in income to 1600 pounds, 400 for each of the girls was considered a total insult and reduced them to having to live in a cottage far from home, basically on charity, so 1000 pounds could not have been considered a good income??)

There's probably at least two more pieces in this, I'll have to think some more, thanks for reading and an intriguing comment!

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There is a great debate as to whether Austen knew what she was talking about when she came up with the 10,000 pound income for Mr. Darcy. It was truly an exorbitant amount and considering Darcy was not in the nobility, some have suggested it was probably a ridiculous sum either come about by ignorance (I find this silly given Austen's propensity for realism) or meant a bit ironically, like we might say "he was so rich he made a kajillion dollars a year"

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I think some of this has to do with our modern thoughts on appropriate age differences; both Knightley and Brandon were quite a bit older and there's something rather offputting about Brandon mooning over some chick all that time and then glomming onto a 17 year old who reminded him of the girl he'd loved.

(that having been said, I like Colonel Brandon and Knightley)

The even match between Lizzy and Darcy, I think, is what makes them the favored Austen couple.

On “Of Poverty, Cancer, Bureaucracy, and Death

I really, really do not want to quibble in this thread but as someone who HAS health insurance and yet still cannot seem to get a basic level of health care for reasons that have far more to do with bureaucracy than a lack of insurance coverage, it's not as easy as you and Chip seem to be making it.

Elaborating upon that is a subject for another thread, not this one, and I wish you and your wife, and Em's family, all the very best.

On “Fried Green Tomatoes and The Husband Problem

Sigh. It's literally the most Ordinary Times thing ever for me to throw in stats because I didn't want to be accused of making a straw man argument regarding something that is absolutely 1100000000% obvious (men hurt women more than women hurt men) only to have someone come along and pick at the stats.

Of course there IS a double standard when it comes to domestic violence and it is an ever present threat for women. There are at least two of us gals on this site, not exactly a massive sample size, who have encountered abusive situations personally, not to mention having seen it in other couples as well. Can you come up with instances of "but men tho", sure, but I think most people would agree that the trend very much goes the other way and all throughout history, has gone the other way.

This is one of those posts where I'm just going to have to walk away now because I literally cannot even with this. Thanks for reading.

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I'm not sure you are following what I'm saying when I talk about The Husband Problem. I'm sorry that you encountered a-holes, but what I was driving at had nothing to do with horrible men (because hey, I love my husband and would actually be very sad if he was murdered and turned into barbeque) and more of a desire for writers to simply come up with other approaches to romance novels other than having a 17 year old pretty pretty princess getting swept off her feet. It's boring and does not take me out of my real life, not at all.

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My kids also met a lot of very helpful older people at VBS that imparted life lessons not unlike this one. Thanks for reading!

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Yep, and I think the VBSers go out of their way to make the lessons very generic and nondenominational for that very reason. Thanks for reading!

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There is a lot of that in the reboot of Lost in Space which I liked and wrote about here https://ordinary-times.com/2019/02/10/feminism-lost-in-space/

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Investigating that dynamic is on my list of things to write about hopefully in the near future. Thank you!

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Jay, I would happily read any of them. I am honestly not that hard to please, it's just that there's really a stunning lack of anything that isn't Twilight out there.

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I had very seriously considering doing a two-fer on this and had BOMC in my stack of books to read, but the thing was, I just didn't LIKE the book. I didn't like it when I read it in the first place and I didn't want to read it again. And as it was, this came out plenty long anyway LOL. But great minds did think alike on that!

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LOL, no stopping me! Thanks for reading!

On “The Weird Romantic World of Jim Steinman

I'll check it out - I saw it listed but I didn't want to include several versions of the same song and since I personally am a fan of the Celine Dion version (and it's the whole reason I wrote this to start out with) I felt I needed to include it. :)

On “The American Lawn is a Shared Nuisance

I loved this piece, and always always enjoy your writing, V.

On “Of Poverty, Cancer, Bureaucracy, and Death

I'm so sorry to read this, Em. Wishing you all as easy a journey as is possible.

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