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On “Do All Lives Matter?

Oh, I know you are a passionate believer in both sides suck, the one true and godly faith.

I am just noting where we are right now after BLM has been on the case for so long.

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Greg, they were offered unlimited amendments and a promise of a filibuster if what came out wasn't what they wanted. But, no. They walked out after calling the author "token."

And R's crossed the line to help approve the house bill, which was conveniently passed the day after poisoning the senate actions with some blatantly racist language.

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Well, Oscar, we will have to disagree on that front. But after watching the Dems call the one AA senator "token" and then walk out after being offered anything they wanted by same, I can only conclude that they don't give a shit about Blacks, but rather about, as Dark Mater stated, keeping the issue up until election time when they can conveniently bury it.

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Simply, BLM has sucked all the air out of the room. You have been a follower of Balko, I believe? For years he has been talking about this, to deaf ears in both parties, but as soon as Obama could get some traction from BLM, it was shot up in prominence.

But when we look at police reform as proposed by the one African-American senator, who offered the opposing party unlimited amendments along with it, not to mention the backing to filibuster anything that didn't meet with approval, the Dems shot it down.

I will absolutely agree with you that BLM is a movement that is making noise about this issue, while white people are being complacent. But anything to increase the scope of it, which is what I feel is desperately needed to actually make a working solution happen is being shot down.

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I'll be perfectly honest, even looking at many rightward sites and speakers, I have only ever heard that from you. Which isn't to say it isn't out there, but if it is it is on such a low level or is only coming from the left.

But, I don't think BLM is getting the overall message across in a way that matters. At least not in a way that will move the needle and help end police violence. Above, I quote a black man listing off multiple white people who had been killed by the police, and yet there is zero push to show how this effects everyone. We are all at risk for this, whether we want to admit or not. And if this isn't simply a race-based problem, which has been shown time and time again both by commentor Swami and by various black intellectuals such as Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, along with the above-quoted Coleman Hughes, then a soley race-based antidote will not help end this problem. Already we can see that the proposed antidote of BLM involves political actions that are anathema to much of America, which, as you say, dilutes any message. No, to solve this problem, as opposed to allowing it to Balkanize, what is need is to show that it affects all people, and you cannot do that by insisting that others are not part of the message. It needs to be inclusive, as opposed to exclusive.

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Two things changed my mind: stories and data.

First, the stories. Each story in this paragraph involves a police officer killing an unarmed white person. (To demonstrate how commonly this happens, I have taken all of them from a single year, 2015, chosen at random). Timothy Smith was killed by a police officer who mistakenly thought he was reaching into his waistband to grab a gun; the shooting was ruled justified. William Lemmon was killed after he allegedly failed to show his hands upon request; the shooting was ruled justified. Ryan Bolinger was shot dead by a cop who said he was moving strangely and walking toward her; the shooting was ruled justified. Derek Cruice was shot in the face after he opened the door for police officers serving a warrant for a drug arrest; the cops recovered marijuana from the property, and the shooting was ruled justified. Daniel Elrod robbed a dollar store, and, when confronted by police, allegedly failed to raise his hands upon request (though his widow, who witnessed the event, insists otherwise); he was shot dead. No criminal charges were filed. Ralph Willis was shot dead when officers mistakenly thought that he was reaching for a gun. David Cassick was shot twice in the back by a police officer while lying face down on the ground. Six-year-old Jeremy Mardis was killed by a police officer while sitting in the passenger seat of a car; the officer’s intended target was Jeremy’s father, who was sitting in the driver’s seat with his hands raised out the window. Autumn Steele was shot dead when a police officer, startled by her German shepherd, immediately fired his weapon at the animal, catching her in the crossfire. Shortly after he killed her, bodycam footage revealed the officer’s despair: “I’m f------ going to prison,” he says. The officer was not disciplined.

Stories and Data - Coleman Hughes
https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police
Far too many people of ALL races are killed by police, and dividing any responses to this universal problem by race, class or any other grouping will not help the problem. To simply say that you take All Lives Matter to mean Blue Lives matter cannot in any way help build a coalition to end this series of tragedies.

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Kazzy, at one time I broke my collar bone and my #1 rib. If the doctor had simply focused on one of those two, it would not have healed correctly as the two work in concert.

All bones matter.

On “President Ye?

The present is pregnant with the future.

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Mmm... I don't think it is "elbow grease-proof", but specific to the kinds of grease that are on offer.

IE you can't use cut-rate 5w20 synthetic when the machine wants pure 50 weight castor.

On “They Who Must Not Be Named

There is a street in San Fransisco that was named Army. And that is how we got to my fathers aunts house, by taking the Army exit. It was renamed at some point to Cesar Chavez, but the offramp sign listed both (with Army in Parenthesis) I still think of it as Army. But, when I moved to Sacramento, I often drove up and down Martin Luther King Blvd. And I have no idea what that street was named before it was changed.

On “Do All Lives Matter?

"The War of Northern Aggression" vs. "War in Defense of Slavery" Redux.

And thus is always was.

On “A Sane Fourth Convert

Back when I was in Boy Scouts, there was an older boy who loved to play with anything combustible. If it could be lit on fire, he lit it. Any time of day or night.

Later he became a dentist. Make of that what you will.

On “They Who Must Not Be Named

Belinda Carlisle is immediately on the lawsuit snap, followed Jane Weidin's publicity blitz into the end zone.

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Poll of Native Americans’ view of Redskins name finds “proud” most common answer

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/10/poll-of-native-americans-view-of-redskins-name-finds-proud-most-common-answer/

It's a small poll (500+) but it did find that a whopping 90% of respondents (native Americans of various tribal affiliations) don't find the team's name offensive. You can find a greater and more responsive set of complaints about the Cleavland Indians mascot, who coincidentally are also looking to make a change in this area.

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Indeed, Jaybird. Apparently Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia just removed the Lethal Weapon Six episodes.

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They should ask Elizabeth Warren to help them pick a name.

On “DC Statehood: 68.34 Square Miles of Constitutional Conundrum

To run with your point about splitting up a red state, living here in the PNW as both Burt and I do, there is a huge discrepancy between the politics of the two major cities, Portland and Seattle, and the rest of those two states. Turning the two-state area into a three-state area would solve both that issue, along with balancing DC statehood.

I do still think that moving the residential sections of DC into the respective bordering states would be a better solution, but I am curious to see if this balancing would fly, and if it doesn't, what the pushback would be. And further, as I do think there would be pushback, what that pushback would signify.

On “Mini-Throughput: The Living Sun

I saw the first bit of your comment in the "state of the discussion" and I jetted over here to mention Sundiver, and low and behold, it was in the rest of your comment! The first three books of that series are great, but I never got around to the rest of them.

On “The Confederate Flags of Comer’s Store

I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

Umberto Eco

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Ooooh, that's an idea! We can smash together all of New England, it's the same place as it is, whats a few senators among friends?. We could combine the entire South, they all stick together, no? Heck, it would allow the Dems to get rid of the obviously racist gov. Coonman... Don't we want that now?

Hey, you know what? Let's go whole hog! We only need one Oregon territory, none of that pesky Washington. And Califonia was another country at one time, let's do this ish and give it back to Mexico! What about Texas, you say? Well, they weren't agitating to be another country a couple months ago, so... Maybe break them up to three areas? West Texas, East Texas, and Austin?

All the state borders are arbitrary and were defined by politics. You can gerrymander the heck out of them to benefit any party if you so choose. That is why, at its core, this is stupid if you want good governance.

On “Hollow Rights & Hollow Points

Oh, I am not disagreeing with any of that (hence my comment about reducing all of the numbers) I was really talking about risk, statistics, and how if we look at one we need to look at all of them.

As you say, disparities in police actions are separate and in my eyes a much more important issue than focusing on either the numbers or race or economic status of people involved.

On “DC Statehood: 68.34 Square Miles of Constitutional Conundrum

I oppose DC statehood on two points. 1) In a country with strong state governments, the overarching federal gov't should not be beholden to the whims of any state gov't for its day-to-day runnings, nor should it be allowed to behold a singular state with the needs of its day-to-day runnings. That is the legal side. On the practical side 2,) attempting to do an end-run against the political balance of a country by incorporating any specific majority political party area as a state is feckin' evil. If your politics cannot win out via conventional methods (the ballot box for example), then you are showing your hand as a totalitarian.

If we think that the people who choose to live in that area need greater representation at the level of statehood, then we should pull back on the areas covered by the federal district. Eliminate all residential areas, transfer the lands to the nearest existing state, and only give residency to the people who HAVE to be there; POTUS and VPOTUS.

On “Hollow Rights & Hollow Points

At the same time, and to the same point, 235 African Americans were killed by police last year. Out of a demographic of 48 million. So, just like the number of police shot on the job that Phillip H brings up, it is statistical noise.

Do we want to reduce BOTH of those numbers? Yes, of course. But if we are going to go down a statistical black hole on one end, it would help if we did the same on the other end. Either we are doing an utterly shit job of assessing risk on all fronts in this country right now, and we need to dramatically step that up. Or, we are simply playing political games and should look at all data in that light.