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On “Veronica Mars and the Case of the Overused Sexual Tension

The problem is, some people see "who's kissing who" as a problem but there's a fundamental assumption there that I find kind of sexist. Romance = women = inferior. But love and romance is what makes the world go round. All the wars in the world are fought in some way to get notice/access to women or to be able to provide for a family.

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Thanks so much for reading!! Really appreciate it.

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I actually have a piece in my head about the bad boy trope and Veronica Mars. There's part of the show where they do it right - really more of a cautionary tale where Logan actually and honestly shows (unlike most shows where the bad boy walks around in a leather jacket and does nothing wrong) the many negatives of being in a relationship with a bad boy - and then part of the show where the writers do everything wrong in the bad-boy and somehow Logan magically turns into a perfect superhero and it's all pretty gross. I should write that.

But until I do, the relationship between Veronica and Logan is not what you think it is, and should not be now taken as evidence in your larger case that good guys are being wronged by women because they only want bad boys.

For whatever it's worth, it sometimes seems to me that out of one side of your mouth, you (rightfully) criticize (some) women as buying too much into tropes and caricatures regarding men, but then out of the other, you totally buy into tropes and caricatures of women. On the one hand you're like "how dare women reduce men to lovable rogues/incels" but then on the other you are reducing women to shallow, superficial ninnies who want thrills and chills and then to settle down with some poor sap they are taking financial advantage of. Fun fact, a good number of "good guys" who take care of their families are in fact bad boys who settled down as they got older, and a good number of "good guys" wake up at the age of 40 or 50 and decide to run around and be "bad boys". These categories are not mutually exclusive or set in stone.

Maybe we're all just a lot more complicated than a series of Hollywood tropes, the men's rights movement, and the blathering of mid-20th century anthropologists would have us think.

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I have to admit I've been shocked they didn't bring Duncan back for at least an episode or two along the way.

They seemed to want to inhabit some in-between with an episodic show and one with story arcs and recurring characters, and too often they're making IMO wrong choices (keeping recurring characters that aren't good, writing off good characters in the interest of keeping things episodic)

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See, I don't think they are going to eliminate it. They're going to bring in some other guys/gals and have the same dynamic with them, only they're going to have less interesting characters and less interesting actors and it will be used as a plot device.

There was just a magic with those two characters that doesn't happen very often. I wish they could have thought outside the box (and it wouldn'tve even had to be far outside) and made it work, even if it meant changing the way they'd imagined the show would be.

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I couldn't agree more. I felt like they'd had a plan, and the plan was two seasons, and they didn't know what to do next.

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YES!!

If they didn't want us to be invested in LoVe then they could have simply had them part ways when Veronica went to college. He didn't have to continue that terrible love triangle in the movie. It made no sense to even do that, if he was trying to cater to the people who liked Logan. So it's very silly of RT to do all that stuff (at the expense of S3 and the movie - not having Logan in either of those - or as a less important character - probably would have improved them) only to be all like "yeah this is getting too hard, car bomb"

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Sorry you didn't like it. I've wanted to talk about WTOWT and Veronica Mars for a long time, and the ending of S4 gave me the opportunity to discuss something I wanted to talk about already.

I don't have time in my life to watch things I don't want to watch. There's too much great content out there. This isn't and never was a Season Four review, it was an article about what bugged me about S3 VM, the movie, and why I'm taking a pass on S4.

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There are times when I'm laying there in bed, half asleep, dreamthinking "they're going to do a Kickstarter to remake the Veronica Mars movie only better" but then the alarm goes off...

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Yeah, see, that's what happens to me if I hate the way something ends! It's not just that I think "welp that was a waste of time", it's actually upsetting to me. There's just enough stuff in the real world that I have to deal with already, and I don't want to expend my life energy on fictional characters if I hate where the story is headed. Thanks for reading!

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I'm sorry you didn't like the article. The fact is, I have a very busy life and I have to pick and choose what I watch and what I don't, and this was an article about why I decided to pass.

Kinda would have defeated the purpose if I had watched the show.

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Yes! I would love to see that, although it does feel a little bit "this was all a dream" LOL.

Thanks for reading!

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There seems to be an ongoing theme in the comments here where I am told "but the show is a mystery, not a romance" as if mysteries are somehow superior to romances and that by liking the romance angle I'm somehow revealing myself as incapable of getting the point of the show.

But hey, go back and reread the other comments. Several other people chimed in to concur that they too enjoyed the romance angle - perhaps even more than the mystery angle - and hey again, we get to do that. We don't all have to like the same things in this world and you are not the arbiter of what is proper/intellectual in this world. And if Rob Thomas is too stupid to see that, and kills the goose that laid the Golden Egg, thereby losing lots of viewers based on some misguided, misogynistic notion that romance < mystery, screw him. When you cross genres, the funny thing is, you can cross genres. Farscape is a sci-fi show with a great romance. Shows can have more than one component. A person can enjoy both aspects, and/or prefer one vs. the other. One isn't inferior to the other just because it appeals more to women than dudes. VM turned the rules of the hardboiled detective show on its head in several ways. It is ridiculous to say "oh how delightful, it's a trope twister" and then turn around and say "but detectives aren't supposed to be happy" - if you break one rule, you can break others. You know, David, your "takedowns" of my pieces where you claim I'm too stupid to understand a plot or character, or too addled to remember things correctly, or where you try to explain to me what I am actually saying, reflect a lot more on you than on me. I have ignored it, made light of it, whatever, but telling someone they're "misremembering" something is so ridiculously insulting and sexist I really feel the need to point it out this time. I am not misremembering anything, you missed a fairly critical element of the VM magic when you watched the show.

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I read a few people speculating about that and I will happily watch if that turns out to be the case!!!

Even if they don't bring Logan back, I hope someone gives Jason Dohring a vehicle of his own sometime soon. He deserves it.

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I know I would cry and I have enough bad stuff in reality, I don't need that in my shows! Thank you so much for reading and sharing your take!

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YES!!!! It's so so so good.

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That's what I read as well. Thanks for sharing your take on it!

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To me, there's a difference between bringing back shows that ran (and overran) their course, and then shows that were wrongfully cancelled.

But yes.

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Yes! With a little effort and creativity this stuff is doable. On Farscape, Crichton and Aeryn weren't always attached at the hip, they both went off and had adventures separately and it only added to the complexity of the show.

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I read a synopsis of their adventures researching this piece, thanks for mentioning it.

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NewsRadio totally blew my mind when they skipped the WTOWT. I was actually going to stop watching it (I hate sitcoms but gave it a whirl) but then that happened.

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The X-Files really infuriates me because they could SO EASILY have had it as Scully gradually gets more and more disillusioned with Mulder even as she gets more and more convinced that some of the supernatural stuff is actually real. Sometimes spending a lot of time with a person makes you like them LESS, not more - and in the workplace this is a particular thing. Thanks for reading!

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Thanks for reading, Julia!

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