Thursday Throughput: Masked Astronomer Edition

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. Jaybird says:

    I’m still vaguely irritated that there haven’t been more mask studies. I’ve mentioned the Nature Study ad nauseum and it concluded that N95 and KN95 masks worked, two-layer t-shirt masks released expiratory particles, and one-layer masks released a *LOT* of expiratory particles.

    Large-scale studies showed that surgical masks worked well and cloth masks “fell short“.

    You probably remember the WaPo story that explained how gaiters were worse than nothing and then a whole bunch of fallout where the scientists said “THAT’S NOT WHAT WE WERE TESTING!” and then Scientific American explained how screwed up everything got from the get-go because the reporting on the study was awful and scientists aren’t great communicators. Here’s the last line from the story: “Training scientists to effectively communicate to, or at least think about, diverse audiences is a necessary part of science.”

    But I still think that the most damage was done by politicians who didn’t follow their own mandates.

    How important is the mandate? Oh. I see.Report

    • Damon in reply to Jaybird says:

      Let’s also remember that PART of the gov’t policy was to LIE to the Americana public that masks were not needed because Fauci was concerned there wasn’t enough PPE for doctors and nurses. Since the admin didn’t walk that back publicly, it’s de facto endorsement. Let’s also remember that at first it was any mask, then not cloth, then N95, so, based only on what was coming out as recommendations, they didn’t know or were so disorganized, they couldn’t find a hole in their head.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Damon says:

        We bought cloth masks from a small batch artisanal mask maker. The doctors and nurses could get their PPE, we would still be protected.

        They were pretty nice masks, all told. Steamed up my glasses but, hey. What can you do? We’re all in this together.Report

        • Damon in reply to Jaybird says:

          I wore a mask in stores when it was mandatory. Stopped after. My gym basically ignored the mandate. The owner said “do what you want”. No one wore one. Some kids still wear them today, but no one else has in quite a long timeReport

    • Slade the Leveller in reply to Jaybird says:

      LOL. At least we’ve found a way to bring new commenters to this site.Report

  2. Chip Daniels says:

    ThTh1:
    The conclusion is obvious that masking works, but mandates only work to the extent we comply with them, or not. And in America there were and are vast swaths of the populace who refuse to wear them.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      Mayors, for one.

      Chip, are you still masking?Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to Jaybird says:

        Now that I am triple vaxxed I only mask when I am in a congested place like a subway car.

        Why do you ask?Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Chip Daniels says:

          Only triple vaxxed?

          I ask because I saw “people who refuse to wear them” and I have trouble telling the difference between “people who refuse to wear them” and “people who have measured the risk and come to the conclusion that the pandemic is very close to being over and close to being over to the point where they don’t mask anymore.”

          Did you hear that Biden is going to say the emergency is over in May? That’s great news! Dark Brandon beat the virus!Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to Chip Daniels says:

          “Now that I am triple vaxxed I only mask when…”

          so, no, not maskingReport

    • fillyjonk in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      arguably, in some places, the whiff of “mandates” made it worse: hence the people (allegedly) throwing screaming fits in the Target that they then posted online, for “clout”

      (“clout” will be the death of us).

      I dunno. I wore a mask until early this year, I’ve mostly stopped. Still wear one at my doctor’s office because they ask people to, it makes absolute sense to me to in a medical setting, and I am not an a-hole. But I got REALLY weary of walking into the wal-mart in one, getting the stink-eye and wide berth (I guess they thought I was infectious?) from unmasked folks.

      And yes, before anyone asks: the regular 2-shot series, 2 regular boosters, and bivalent booster, and if recommended, will get the annual booster “like the flu shot” that’s currently being developed.

      I’d still wear one if I were visiting someone at very high risk of bad COVID. I’d still wear one if asked. But I’ve mostly stopped.

      I don’t GO congested places so that’s not an issue. I don’t go to movie theaters and very rarely go to restaurants any more. Mostly go to work, the store, and church – which has less than 50 people any given sunday and a big sanctuary

      I will say the whole fight over masks, and all the ugliness I heard people spouting (on both sides, to an extent, but one side more than the other) REALLY has soured me on humanity, I’m at least 75% more misanthropic than I was before 2020. Probably will serve me well when the bird flu pandemic gets going, I can remind myself “people, faugh, who needs them” as I nail my front door shut from the inside.Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to fillyjonk says:

        If you want to retain even a shred of love for humanity, don’t move to Idaho:

        Idaho bill would criminalize giving mRNA vaccines – the tech used in popular COVID vaccines

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/21/idaho-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/11316055002/Report

        • Philip H in reply to Chip Daniels says:

          that’s gonna make treating cancer a tad problematic, since mRNA is likely the tech that will deliver effective new cancer treatments.Report

        • fillyjonk in reply to Chip Daniels says:

          that cannot possibly be legal/constitutional. The vaccines are voluntary. If this goes anywhere, some states need to quickly make being “vaccine sanctuary” states a thing indelibly in their constitution before the madness spreads. Man, we’re on a headlong path to go back to the 1300s, aren’t we?Report

          • Michael Cain in reply to fillyjonk says:

            They let states have their own controlled substances lists, which may have more or fewer drugs than the federal CSA, with similar or wildly different schedules. The SCOTUS seems inclined these days to allow the states greater freedom from federal regulation, at least in conservative directions.Report

          • Burt Likko in reply to fillyjonk says:

            You’re right, on the theory that such a law lacks a rational basis for the promotion of health and public safety. But the Idaho Legislature hasn’t worried about the rational basis test for decades. Why should they start now?Report

      • Reformed Republican in reply to fillyjonk says:

        I masked religiously with K95 masks. I got my vaccines and boosters as soon as possible. I got COVID anyway and said “screw it, it’s not worth it,” and ended up giving up on masks. I still got my fourth vaccine dose. I was going to get it the end of last year, but I caught COVID, so I waited a few months. Came down with COVID the third time when I got the vaccine (unfortunate timing). I initially thought it was just my reaction to the vaccine, but it kept getting worse.

        That being said, every time I have gotten COVID, it was milder than the previous time. I have not had any long-term effects (to the best of my knowledge).Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Reformed Republican says:

          Which is a success story.

          Masks on the unvaccinated help prevent getting it. The vaccines make getting it milder. And continuing masking in congested spaces helps prevent transmitting a mild case to those who might be immunocompromised, a case for whom it may be fatal.Report

    • Would the study’s author consent to open heart surgery by unmasked surgeons and nurses? No, he certainly would not. He would find some benefit to masking in such a situation.

      Oh wait, we’ve all been having this discussion since April of 2020. Well, I guess the horse ain’t dead yet.Report

  3. Philip H says:

    ThTH10 – may we all have such neighbors!Report

  4. fillyjonk says:

    ThTh10: thank goodness now, with cheap thumbdrives and the cloud we really not worry about that. Back in the day I knew someone who thought he was going to become a famous writer; he kept his drafts on his hard drive but also regularly backed up (twice) to floppies (remember those?), one of which he kept in a different building from his computer, the other which he kept in his safety deposit box.

    Most of my “important” files are teaching stuff and I am trusting the campus cloud to hang on to them for me.

    (when I do write, the first draft is longhand, and often I do the editing longhand. It’s how I think)Report

  5. [ThTh8] And Zeus will cheat with hot chicks all over the galaxy.Report

  6. veronica d says:

    ThTh10 — I have a new hero and his name is Gary. What an absolute chad.Report

  7. Jaybird says:

    Tradeoffs:

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