12 thoughts on “Israel Bombs Iran

      1. The deal established both maximum levels of allowable enriched material and a very comprehensive monitoring regime which, despite their endless wailing and conspiracy mongering, the hawks were never able to demonstrate a hole in. So weak was their hand for critiques that they ended up resorting to complaining about how the deal allowed Iran to use money to stir up trouble in their neighborhood or expand their missile development- both true, both irrelevant since the deals purpose was to put a lid on Irans nuclear capabilities alone and nothing else.

        When Trump pulled out of the JPOC he claimed that a new wave of sanctions would swiftly bring Iran back to the table. Obviously that failed completely.

              1. People said the same thing about WMDs in Iraq before we invaded, only to find out the UN weapons inspectors were right that Sadam had no active useable WMDs. The same sort of people if not the same actual people are now saying this about Iran. Color me deeply skeptical.

              2. The same sort of people…

                This time the people claiming there are serious current problems are the inspectors, specifically the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

                That’s supposedly a neutral third body.

        1. Problems with the deal:
          1) Sunset clauses.
          After 10-15 years the restrictions come off. So at the end of that time we’re supposed to believe that Iran has become a normal country and could be trusted. At end of the deal they’d be weeks away from getting a bomb and it would take us months to put the sanctions back on.

          2) Limited Inspection Regime:
          The deal doesn’t give “anytime, anywhere” inspections.

          3) Lack of Enforcement.

          So we pay them $150 Billion and they pretend to not be interested in nuclear weapons for 10 years while they use that money to get better at their “civilian” nuclear program that looks and acts like a military program. They also get better at putting their eventual nukes on missiles and fund terrorism.

  1. I’d challenge there being an entire thesis that your argument relies on implicitly treated as a bare fact in a throw away line.

    There are many reasons to doubt that Iran will use a nuclear weapon if they had one. Principally the basic premise of realism, that the government values it’s own survival highly.

    If you want to rely on your that premise, at the very least it needs to be supported and preferably some engagement with obvious counterarguments.

    1. Brent: Your first line is very hard to parse. I have no idea what “Throw away line” you are referring to. In any case: Of course there are reasons to doubt that Iran might use a nuke. There are also reasons for its most likely target to suspect that it might, including repeated attacks by its surrogates and constant rhetoric promising her destruction. No one can compute the probability of an Iranian nuclear attack, but it’s high enough not to stake your life on it not happening.

      1. “There is little doubt that if the Iranians develop a nuclear weapon, they will use it.”

        This is the line. It’s completely unsupported and I’d say unsupportable, but it’s the justification for action.

        You’re saying something different here, that the odds are difficult to determine.

        The author states that it is a certainty, or such a near certainity that the difference between it and certainty makes very difference. That’s an incredibly strong claim to just toss off as a given.

        Certainity of a nuclear weapon being used justifies all kinds of actions, morally, legally and strategically that aren’t justified by a mere possibility.

        In particular, it’s relevant to the norms of state behaviour. We expect pretty much every state on earth to tolerate the possibility that other states will use nuclear weapons on them. Israel has a robust nuclear deterrent of their own which puts them in a more favourable position than the norm for modern states. We don’t consider that possibility as legitimate causus belli.

        It’s arguably a different situation if their use against you is a practical certainty and that’s what the Author states was the case and relied upon to make his arguments. I have problems with that.

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