17 thoughts on “Ukraine Provides a Wake-up Call

  1. Ukraine seems to be providing a blueprint for how a much smaller community can go to war against a global superpower.

    I’d hope that China, among other countries, is taking notes.

    1. It does suggest that border security is pretty important actually, not something where you can just let trucks drive back and forth between countries without checking them.

      1. I gotta think truck traffic is pretty minimal at the Ukraine-Russia border. We’ll probably never know where it crossed, but thinking every container entering the country can be manually checked is probably not feasible.

        1. At least some of the photos that have appeared show the drones in a false floor in the truck itself. That may have been how they got them close to the targets rather than just into the country.

    2. Ukraine seems to be providing a blueprint for how a much smaller community can go to war against a global superpower.

      As did Vietnam before it.

      I’d hope that China, among other countries, is taking notes.

      I’m quite sure they are. We’ve people who are, too — if only our leaders will listen to them, cursed as they are with the label “Subject Matter Experts” and the task of trying to educate their pigheaded superiors holding political level office.

      1. “As did Vietnam before it.”

        Have a large technologically-advanced country give you a bunch of top-end equipment and all the materials you want for free because you’re bleeding their ideological opponents?

        …actually, I guess up until Trump’s election that just about was what was happening, although the USAF wasn’t sending “volunteer pilots” the way Russia did for the NVAF.

        1. Do you really think the NVA and the VC kicked our butts because they had all that “top-end equipment and materials”? Volunteer pilots in the NVAF? Trust me, none of us mud-encrusted butts getting kicked were very worried about MIGs or Sikorskys. You need to get out more. (Though I will grant you that the AK-47 was helluva lot more top-end than what I carried.) Light-weight black cotton, sandals cut from “top-end” tires, and sheer will were enough in that situation.

          1. “Do you really think the NVA and the VC kicked our butts because they had all that “top-end equipment and materials”? ”

            Do you really think the SA-2 was some garbage cobbled together out of sewer pipes and buffalo dung by dudes wearing straw hats?

            1. First: interesting comment. Made me go do a bit of shallow and quick-time research.

              Second: pretty racist phrasing.

              Third: As a “buffalo dung dude” i.e., “grunt,” me and my buds spent very little time thinking about SAMs.

              Fourth: the numbers that I came up with are a bit confusing. (All according to wikipedia) The U.S. military confirmed 206 aircraft lost to SAMs (the SA-2/S-75 was a SAM). Viet Nam says 1046 fixed-wing aircraft shot down by S-75s (six missiles launched per one kill). For numbers of reasons, both side’s figures seem quite questionable.

              Fifth: I appreciate the high-tech world of the aerial war in VN, especially the free chopper rides, but despite our spectacular superiority in tech, and their large supply of SAMs, it was still the tough little buggers in straw hats who marched us right out of there.

  2. For starters, the range on these things is less than the ocean so our moats will continue to protect the mainland USA. Being a navel power will make other aspects difficult, i.e. if Russia had the ability to randomly move it’s “bases” in a very large ocean then this attack wouldn’t have been possible.

    So we’re a lot less vulnerable in general. Which doesn’t change that we have other bases all over the world.

    One hopes we’re paying attention but we also have huge amounts of domestic drama to distract us with Trump firing anyone who disagrees with him. The military was supposed to keep him in power when the last election was “stolen” and that didn’t happen.

    1. I disagree with your point here- if an attack of this type were tried in the US I presume the drones would be networked through our local internet and controlled that way so range for direct radio control may not be a limiter. That being said I do think we have a different advantage in that we’re not (currently) regularly bombing a neighbor from fixed terrestrial airbases so our various air platforms aren’t lined up outside in predictable locations and times.

  3. A fellow Toastmaster who served in the National Guard came a description of how his unit, deployed “overseas,” addressed how to protect yourself against an enemy drone once. It sounded like essentially a large shield made out out chain link fence, positioned atop or slightly on front of an APC, AMTRAC, tank, missile launcher, or even a truck. The idea is that it will baffle the approach of the drone, so that when the drone detonates, it will do so farther away from the vehicle, increasing survivability.

    This is of course subject to arms racing — if you knew your targets had a baffle shield, you could load the drone up with flechettes to pierce inside of the baffle.

    So then the vehicle builds a second, finer-mesh screen put underneath the thicker, broad mesh front layer.

    So then the drone attacker pilots TWO drones at the vehicle; the first blasts the baffle and the second penetrates into the vehicle.

    And so on.

    A baffle shield would probably have done the Russians little good for parked or hangared aircraft; you wouldn’t baffle them because the baffling would be really awkward and make servicing the aircraft difficult.

    But what’s interesting here to me are the low-tech, low-cost nature of these measures and countermeasures. The drone costs about a day of skilled labor to assemble and probably under $10,000 worth of parts. Wikipedia estimates that a TU-160M Blackjack strategic bomber (they really do look like the B-1) has a cost to Russia of the equivalent of $163 million. If you can take one out for, let’s say, $10,000 per attack drone, that super equalizes things against a purportedly much more massive and technologically advanced opponent.

    Welcome to the future of warfare.

    1. The IED thing in Iraq hurt a lot of soldiers and were the cause of a large number of “grim milestones”.

      Destroy equipment that costs six or seven or eight figures with equipment that costs less than a guy could carry in his wallet.

      It’s one thing to be able to do that against folks who are spending trillions of dollars to stand on your corner… quite another to deliver that equipment more than, oh, a bike ride away. If you need much more than a Fiat to carry it, it’s not going to get far.

      What’s troublesome about the Ukraine thing is that they seem to have figured out how to get this equipment more than a bike ride away.

      There was a line in Mel Gibson’s The Patriot that occurred to me the other day. It was when Tom Hiddleston was yelling at the jerky guy, I forget his name: “These colonials are our brethren, and when this conflict is over, we will reestablish commerce with them.”

      There is war you engage in against people with whom you wish to reestablish commerce after hostilities have ended… and war you engage in against people with whom you do not give a flying leap about whether you engage in commerce with them after hostilities have ended.

      There’s a lot of stuff that is on the table in the latter sitch that just ain’t there in the former.

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