18 thoughts on “Tariffs, The Kind You Clean with a Mop and Bucket

  1. Ironically the courts may be bailing Trump out on this one. Tariffs are such an incredibly bad policy that anything that ranks this lever from his hands will probably help the economy a lot. I also doubt the Supreme court will override on this either- it’s not at all complicated and their own venal interests will incentivize the Supreme Court to go along with “a taking the keys away from Grandpa” move by the courts.

    And, of course, if trade resumes as it was pre-Trump it’s possible the disruption he’s already caused may just get absorbed by the economy as a bump rather than a crash into a wall. Trump really may be one of the luckiest SOB’s alive.

    1. Yeah. What’s funny is that this is, like, a legitimate ruling on the courts part. This is not particularly political beyond the good feelings it engenders in Trump’s opposition (as opposed to a handful of other recent things that the courts have done to stymie Trump).

      Which does two things:
      1. A good thing that helps the economy
      2. Looks exactly as politicized as the less perfectly legitimate rulings

      I’m wondering if the “right track” numbers will go green for the first time since… oh my… this can’t be right…

              1. Biden was, apparently up until the last year, a genial old collaborative fellow and, while the GOP voters had no love for him, it’s pretty clear the GOP politicians in DC couldn’t muster up much genuine animus for him. He did a pretty decent job overall on economic and foreign policy and got a number of bipartisan bills through a very narrow majority because of his approach and demeanor so it’s no surprise that the gap was narrow under his tenure. If he’d have been a few years younger we could have scraped through but he wasn’t and we didn’t.

    2. It does lend a lot of credence to the people who said that we shouldn’t be worried about whatever Trump says because the Deep State will stop him doing anything really harmful to most Americans.

    1. If only the U.S. Constitution had outlined a deliberative body tasked with taking care of things like this. What a country we would have been!

    2. It’s an administrative stay, and includes a briefing schedule with reply briefs from the government due on 09 June 2025, less than two weeks from now. That suggests the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit is contemplating making a preliminary ruling pretty quickly.

      Here’s the actual order.

      https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105/gov.uscourts.cafc.23105.7.0_2.pdf

      I am not sure of how important it is, but some people seem to think this sort of thing is very important and predictive. Here’s the breakdown of the judges who are included in the per curiam:

      Moore – Bush the Younger
      Lourie – Bush the Elder
      Dyk – Clinton
      Prost – Bush the Younger
      Reyna – Obama
      Taranto – Obama
      Chen – Obama
      Hughes – Obama
      Stoll – Obama
      Cunningham – Biden
      Stark – Biden

      If you’re counting D’s and R’s, that’s 8-3. Pauline Newman, a Reagan appointee (!) apparently recused herself. There are no Trump appointees on this Court.

  2. 1. Tariffs are not a priori bad policy contra North above. Trump is an idiot and I have no confidence in his ability to navigate international economics is a different issue.

    Regarding the courts, they have one lever to pull and that is whether the Use of Emergency powers meets the criteria set by congress for declaring the Emergency. It is possible to make this case, in theory. From what I’ve seen, in the ruling? Not sure the Roberts Court will bail Congress out of this.

    Here’s what the law says:
    (a)Any authority granted to the President by section 1702 of this title may be exercised to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat, which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States, to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States, if the President declares a national emergency with respect to such threat.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1701

    Congress: We’re going to delegate tariff power ordinarily governed by the ITC in the case of an Emergency to you.
    President: Like War?
    Congress: We’re thinking maybe anything that’s an extraordinary threat… no, make it an unusual extraordinary threat.
    President: Like a foreign threat?
    Congress: Sure, or maybe at least like, let’s say, substantially foreign.
    President: So like a foreign (substantially) threat to National Security?
    Congress: Well, and maybe to like to Foreign Policy in general.
    President: Ok, so a threat to my core responsibility as Commander in Chief and Head of State. Got it.
    Congress: And the Economy
    President: The Economy? An emergency threat to the Economy that requires Tariffs?
    Congress: Yes.
    President: And the Emergency is something Congress declares?
    Congress: We were thinking maybe you could decide that for us?
    President: And then you review it after a period of time like the War Powers Act?
    Congress: Nah, we’re good with whatever you decide.
    President: So,… as long as I think something is an unusual extraordinary substantially foreign threat to anything related to National Security and Foreign Policy or the Economy I can use these powers?
    Congress: Well, you have to ‘Declare’ it first.
    President: Like Bankruptcy?
    Congress: That’s not how Bankruptcy works.
    President: So I declare it and it is?
    Congress: Yes.
    President: I accept.

    https://www.cit.uscourts.gov/sites/cit/files/25-66.pdf

    1. I’ll cop to the wording on that being over broad but surely you’ll allow that the tariffs as Trump has enacted them have been an utter clusterfish of a policy whether or not tariffs in general have occasional applicability? Biden did targeted strategic tariffs and trade restrictions on China in areas his administration deemed strategically important and I am sympathetic to that position.

      1. Well sure, I did write “Trump is an idiot and I have no confidence in his ability to navigate international economics” so we’re aligned on the principle that the guy at the helm with all the delegated power is a good reason not to delegate power stupidly without oversight, time limits, and or/approval.

        Even ‘fast track’ trade agreements require the deal be brought back to Congress for an up/down vote…

        The Roberts Court has been begging Congress to resume its role. And I think there’s a 70% chance it rules in that direction (30% is the rare ACA Mandate = Tax exception to the Roberts Rule).

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