28 thoughts on “Air Traffic Out-of-Control

  1. As I’ve said elsewhere, people imagine that “privatization” is going to fix things because somehow there’s Magic Private Juice that gets more work from less workers.

    What’s happening is that private industries, non-unionized, are allowed to tell people “work unpaid overtime or you’re fired”. So that gets recorded as “more work done without more hours charged”, and makes private industry look more efficient.

  2. Effective government services cost money. Updating the underlying systems that make government function costs money. Continuing to recruit, train and retain really smart people to do complex work delivering effective government services costs money.

    Government raises money for services through taxation. Spending 50 years cutting taxes in the name of fictional “growth” costs money, both in terms of foregone revenue for services and in ineffective and ill conceived patches to try and keep it all together.

    We are now reaping the sowing of those lies by the GOP. And sadly the lies as characterized in the reconciliation bill before Congress and the appropriations bills it will have to pass after will not make any of this better.

    Those lies now have quantifiable economic costs and will soon add quantifiable human lives cost as well. This is a national tragedy of our own making because everyone wants to be rich and no one wants to pay for someone else to enjoy the same services the first person gets.

    We are having the days and weeks and years we voted for because believing the lies was easier. It will cost a lot of money to fix that too.

    1. This part of the gov’s budget is getting squeezed out by “mandatory” payments.

      The gov runs out of political will to tax before it runs out of things it could tax.

      1. This part of the gov’s budget is getting squeezed by the Republicans determinations to destroy literally every tax that wealth people could hypothetically pay and make sure they don’t have to pay any that are left.

        What is blowing the holes in the budget is, objectively, Republican’s insanity with ‘must always cut taxes’. It has nothing to do with spending, spending is not out of control, spending has not even particularly changed.

  3. Over the years I’ve noticed that Newark and LaGuardia get clobbered by weather and traffic in ways that JFK (and Dulles) doesn’t.

    It’s pretty common for me to get stuck at (or going to) LaGuardia with rolling delays, then cancellation. My last trip a couple weeks ago coincided with both the weather and the ATC issues… I sat at Dulles from 3:00 until 9:00 when they cancelled the flight, grabbed a seat on the 10:00 and sat until 1:00, then boarded, taxied and sat on the runway until 2:00 before taking off. Pilot was trying to get a gate to return to, but admitted after 30 min that if he’d found a gate before ATC said 2:00 would work that they probably would’ve cancelled the flight.

    Return trip 2 full days later, I got notified at 10am that my 7pm flight was already delayed. Cancelled, booked Amtrak and Ubered to my car at Dulles.

    Weather causes delays, of course, but the over-capacity issues just makes that route regularly fail. Would rather see reduced capacities and higher costs than play this pretend game that the system has enough elasticity to handle ordinary weather situations.

    I can 100% understand huge ATC employee pipeline issues… I’m not sure the job will ever reward the stress adequately. I bet AI is being tested somewhere for this… more likely to invest in automation than people.

    1. I just got back from 2 weeks in the UK and boy did I enjoy riding the rails. London to Exeter and London to Dundee, very nearly without a hitch and pretty inexpensive. I know our esteemed editor always pooh poohs the idea of American train travel, but it seems to me that the East Coast would be ripe for an extensive, frequent departure rail service.

      No security to go through, no arriving 2 hours before departure (heck, they don’t even announce the platform until about 20 minutes before departure), and no weather to deal with. I’ll take that over flying any day.

      1. Went to Italy a few years ago, flew into Milan, took a train from the airport into the city (the Milan airport is way outside of Milan for some reason), took a subway to a soccer game and to other parts of town. When it was time to leave Milan, we took a train to Parma, where we walked everywhere, including across the entire city in about 30 minutes. Then a few days later we took a train to Modena, where we walked everywhere, including pretty much the entire diameter of the city. After a couple days, we took a train to Bologna, where we walked around the entire city for a few days. Then we took a bullet train back to Milan, walked around for a day, took the subway to a train, and a train to the airport. All in all, we spent 2 weeks in the country, 4 cities, dozens of sites, restaurants, museums, libraries, stores, etc., saw Inter at San Siro, saw a different musical concert almost every night, met up with friends and family, and didn’t set foot inside a motor vehicle of any sort. It was glorious.

        We could have been a proper country.

        1. “We could have been a proper country.”

          You could move to Europe and live there if you wanted. Nobody’s stopping you! Just go!

          1. Yes, getting up and moving to another continent is as simple as packing up and hopping on a plane, and it makes absolutely no sense that anyone who doesn’t like this country hasn’t done it.

            I’m sure I’ve mentioned here before that my partner is an Italian citizen, and therefore has an EU passport. Moving to pretty much anywhere in Europe would be much easier for us than for most Americans, and we’ve talked about it extensively (not just Italy; she was recently offered a fellowship in Freiburg), but there are too many barriers, from jobs to family to language.

            So I’m sorry for wishing this country were better. I promise I’ll get in line and recognize this country’s extremely alienating infrastructure, lack of public transit, and city planning are the best on the planet.

              1. Europe would be perfect, except for the barriers, most of which have to do with our lives, and not anything about Europe, yes.

                Interestingly, two of the most conservative (in a non-Trumpy way) people I know personally moved to Europe, one to Perugia in the late Aughts, and one to a suburb of Lisbon two years ago, and neither can imagine ever moving back. Italy is in many ways a libertarian-type conservative’s dream; it’s the wild west, as my friend likes to call it, “Everybody just does whatever they want.” He’s also blown away by the sense of community. For example, every evening after dinner and before work, instead of retreating into their homes for the rest of the night, or at best traveling via personal vehicle to a bar or restaurant, everyone goes for a stroll and socializes with everyone else in a piazza or parco near their home. I don’t know much about Portugal, but I gather it’s similar, both in its wildness and its sociality.

        2. It does not escape my notice that your itinerary took you to culinary summits. Not only did you enjoy the benefits of an intelligent transportation infrastructure, you also got to enjoy some really fantastic food. My envy is exceeded only by my vicarious pleasure in your experience.

          1. Hell, he build San Siro (and it looks like it).

            Though Milan has substantially added to its subway system, initially built well after the man who hung from his tows, in recent years, at a fraction of the cost, and in a fraction of the time, that it would take any city in the U.S. to do so.

            Meanwhile, Austin is trying to build a few miles of above-ground rail at a higher cost, and with such delays in even breaking ground that it’s likely either the state legislature or the US DOT will kill the entire project before it’s gone beyond the spending of millions of dollars on outside consultants.

              1. Ah yes – let’s go back to trashing all the rule. We won’t need fair market value in eminent domain or environmental impact review or any sort of zoning (even if it wildly popular in a given municipality). And of course the thing dragging government down is its own regulation, not understaffing or over litigation against every decision made.

                Idiots.

              2. Thanks for providing the circular and self contradicting view on the subject from the left Philip. Of course, the solution to the problem of administrative paralysis is just more unthinking funding and more employment for existing administrative organizations- it’s so obvious.

              3. Yes, let’s all grant the power to the Federal government where, in an emergency, they can use medical data in ways not explicitly authorized by law. What a dumb objection the left has to that.

                This cannot possibly backfire, it’s not like we have any examples of the government misusing emergency declarations _or_ having anyone ‘in the government’ running around collecting and misusing personal data. Neither of those things has happened in recent memory or is happening literally right not. (Please note, it is currently January 19th where I am.)

                And we’ll make sure that the left will not, next pandemic, block emergencies measures, like they did last time…why, I remember all the left-based protests over all those Covid emergencies measures like masks and quarantines. (It’s actually January 19th in a parallel universe, one where the right is in favor of emergency measures during medical emergencies and the left is not.)

                (Yeah, I know that’s not the point of what he said, but, damn, is that is a stupid example to include right now or what?)

        3. We could, at any time, simply announce that mistakes were made in the long series of bankruptcies where we left what are now the Union Pacific and BNSF railroad companies holding on to enormously valuable rights of way. Building passenger rail would be much more feasible if the rights of way were publicly owned and the government could tell the freight carriers that they were now the second-class users. I hold out a small hope that we are moving away from coal fast enough to push the UP and BNSF into bankruptcy again, and that the Front Range urban corridor can pick up the urban/suburban rights of way here for a song.

          Europe didn’t make that mistake.

      2. The eastern seaboard is the one place I think it could really work. Whether we’d ever be able to coordinate it across jurisdictions and the mountains of red tape is another question. Or rather a question we probably all already know the answer to.

        1. Yeah, I don’t think our federal system is set up for such a system. There’s certainly the population density east of the Mississippi to support an intercity rail network, but I think the amount of salesmanship it would take to convince Americans to use it is beyond our capabilities.

          I heard a fair bit of grumbling over there about how terrible the trains are, and all I could think is, “Buddy, you don’t know what you have.” My Exeter friend was mildly outraged that the train was 7 minutes late.

    2. Over the years I’ve noticed that Newark and LaGuardia get clobbered by weather and traffic in ways that JFK (and Dulles) doesn’t.

      Something to do with where they stack planes and the approach paths? I understand that LaGuardia doesn’t have in-air stacking, and that Newark has very limited in-air. It probably doesn’t take a lot to mess up the approaches there. JFK and Dulles have substantial space for in-air stacking.

      When I first moved to Denver and Stapleton Airport was still in use, on a clear night you could see a line of 8-10 planes stretching off to the east with their landing lights on. Stapleton was horrible when the weather got bad, though. The runways were short and too close together so they were down to one runway regularly. Because of the hub arrangements at the time, when Stapleton went to one runway, it screwed up air traffic across much of the West. The FAA was a big advocate for building the new Denver International airport.

  4. Back when I lived in California, a neighbor and friend was an ATC supervisor at the Los Angeles ARTCC. Which is not located anywhere near LAX; it’s up in the desert north of the city where I used to live. This is a big operation; about 500 employees working 24/7. My friend disabused me of the notion that this is a particularly stressful job; he described most of the work being done automatically by computer algorithm, with the individual ATC mostly “playing goalie” by giving instructions to aircraft that were deviating too far from the algorithm’s pattern governing where lanes of air traffic moving in different directions would go and around columns of military-only airspace (of which there’s a lot more in western states than in, say, the Northeastern Corridor).

    I presume that unstated in his description of the day-to-day work was that the ATC team would need to be able to take over and operate the system at a moment’s notice in the event something bad happened to the computer. Understanding how to do that is probably a big part of the training. And we ought be glad of it — computers are vulnerable to mishap and sabotage, despite the best efforts of smart people to make them safe and secure.

    The possibility that keeps sitting in my brain is a bunch of tech dudes from Elon Musk’s team holding a lot of confidence in their tech saying, “We can let some of these people go and just automate the system more, and realize savings that way.” Which could actually be fine — until it isn’t. And it’s the “until it isn’t” that we’re paying for, because when those tech vulnerabilities manifest, the results are dramatic and catastrophic. The nightmarish scenario is letting, say, 10% of the workplace go and increasing automation and then nothing bad happens for a while, and then someone saying, “Well, that worked great! Let’s do it some more” and now another 10% get let go and then a third round and then… then there aren’t enough people and the system has been made much more fragile so the break, when it happens, is really bad.

    That’s one of the ways fiascos happen, and an air traffic control fiasco could look like hundreds of people dead.

    1. The possibility that keeps sitting in my brain is a bunch of tech dudes from Elon Musk’s team holding a lot of confidence in their tech saying, “We can let some of these people go and just automate the system more, and realize savings that way.” Which could actually be fine — until it isn’t. And it’s the “until it isn’t” that we’re paying for, because when those tech vulnerabilities manifest, the results are dramatic and catastrophic. The nightmarish scenario is letting, say, 10% of the workplace go and increasing automation and then nothing bad happens for a while, and then someone saying, “Well, that worked great! Let’s do it some more” and now another 10% get let go and then a third round and then… then there aren’t enough people and the system has been made much more fragile so the break, when it happens, is really bad.

      Yeah, it is worth emphasizing how incredibly, astonishingly stupid this premise is. It cannot be stressed enough.

      This works in some universe where the system load is near constant _and_ systems degrade instead of breaking. But, as you point out, systems often catastrophic break, and thus require even more resources to fix than it takes to run them. On top of that, nothing is ever magically average, and you run the very real risk of firing during a lull.

      There are some people in positions in this world that basically are living examples of failing upward due to money, and two of them are currently running this country.

      My friend disabused me of the notion that this is a particularly stressful job; he described most of the work being done automatically by computer algorithm, with the individual ATC mostly “playing goalie” by giving instructions to aircraft that were deviating too far from the algorithm’s pattern governing where lanes of air traffic moving in different directions would go and around columns of military-only airspace (of which there’s a lot more in western states than in, say, the Northeastern Corridor).

      So there’s a joke in theatre about tech work: It’s 10 minutes of sitting around followed by 10 seconds of controlled near-panic, then repeat. Most of the time you’re doing nothing, but when it is time to do something, you have to do it exactly right, down the second, and as fast as possible.

      But it’s pretty unlikely anyone will die if you screw up.

      Anyway, just because a computer is doing 95% of ATC doesn’t mean that humans don’t have to understand everything that is going on, because it’s still a lot left over. The John Oliver segment on it talked about how, yeah, most of the time it wasn’t stressful, but if just 1% of your job is ‘Make sure these two airplanes do not crash into each other, killing everyone’, that’s actually pretty stressful! It’s stressful at 0.01%…that’s an average of 3 seconds every day where you might kill some people.

  5. It could be worse. You could have to construct Air traffic centers that can withstand IRA mortar attacks from nearby public roads, like they did at NERC near Southampton UK. I know, I was there.

  6. As John Oliver pointed out, and this failed to mention: Air Traffic Control really never recovered from Reagan firing all the striking workers. In fact, the current crisis is, in a large part, due to the fact that everyone hired to replace them is retiring all at once.

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