Posing, Posturing, & Positioning: 2028 Democratic Presidential Candidates

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has been the Managing Editor of Ordinary Times since 2018, is a widely published opinion writer, and appears in media, radio, and occasionally as a talking head on TV. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter@four4thefire. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew'sHeard Tell Substack for free here:

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  1. Jaybird
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    What does the future of the Democratic Party look like?

    Is it skilled members of the Professional Managerial Class who demonstrate the best ability to act like a Project Manager able to herd the cats of all of the bureaucrats?

    Is it a firebrand capable of whipping up the masses?

    Is it Kamala Harris? I understand that she made zero mistakes in her last campaign for president (outside of the “nobody’s perfect” level nitpicks that are inevitable) and the only problem was that she didn’t have enough runway and Trump has demonstrated that you can win an election after losing one.

    In 2012, Romney was a pretty good candidate and might have been a perfect candidate if you could drop him in the middle of 1996.

    But all of the names listed above strike me as having a similar problem. Newsom would have been perfect in 2016! Pritzker? Perfect in 2016! Buttigieg doesn’t strike me as presidential quite yet… He might make a perfect VP, though. (Of course, maybe he’s paper-thin and would just be a gay Dan Quayle… at least he’d have the press on his side.)

    The big problem the dems have is that they’re trying to go through their bench and find the guy best suited to win in 2016 and not the best guy for 2028.

    But Pritzker, out of all of those, strikes me as the most capable of taking on Vance.Report

  2. Chris
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    With the exception of Newsom, who is a proper ghoul, devoid of anything resembling a conscience, this looks like the most boring stable of candidates possible, comprised people who will run almost entirely on the message “Hey, at least we’re not Trump!”

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there were potential presidential candidates in the party who had ideas, principles, even a message? That there aren’t is an indictment of the entire party. The Democratic Party delenda est.Report

    • Slade the Leveller in reply to Chris
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      In normal times, “I’m not Donald Trump.” ought to net you exactly 100% of the electorate. Alas, we live in more interesting times.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to Slade the Leveller
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        Imagine a candidate asking “Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?”

        But, like, really asking this. Like, they’re actually interested in an answer.Report

      • Chris in reply to Slade the Leveller
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        The biggest difference I think voters see between Trump and Not Trump is not so much that Trump is selling a revanchist, nationalist, authoritarianism, but that he’s selling something, anything, to people who felt like neither party, outside of Trump, was selling much of anything. How bad must things be for people that selling anything, even far right authoritarianism, is better than selling nothing? Bad enough, I’d wager, that a bunch of Not Trump candidates with nothing to sell have little chance of defeating anyone in the Trump mold in 2028, so long as Trump hasn’t plunged us into the apocalypse between now and then.

        I keep harping on this point, but the Democrats had their own candidate selling things that were not revanchist, were not nationalist, and were not authoritarian, and that could have had a huge impact on people’s lives, but the Democrats thoroughly defeated him, to the point that he’s now basically exiled, touring the Midwest giving speeches to overflow crowds who want to hear his message of a social democratic change that makes the government work for them, and not for the wealthy.

        I know the most popular narrative around here is that the Democrats lost because they went too far left, but do you think people who were offered the choice between a nihilistic billionaire authoritarian who did a half-assed coup attempt and then spent the last 4 years treating becoming president again as an opportunity to get personal revenge, whatever the cost to the American people, and somebody who tells them they should never have to go bankrupt because they or a family member got sick, and that billionaires should pay their fair share of taxes, are going to choose the former because of pronouns in people’s email signatures and a half a dozen trans college athletes?Report

        • Slade the Leveller in reply to Chris
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          I completely agree with you. The problem America has is 2-fold, in my opinion.

          First, the Electoral College disenfranchises a huge swath of the American electorate. Blue voters in red states and red voters in blue states may as well stay home. Because of its continued existence, America is teetering on, if it’s not already there, permanent minority rule. When was the last 50 state presidential campaign?

          Second, the House is too small, resulting in a sclerotic Dem/Rep division of the spoils. State legislatures can gerrymander districts to get the outcomes the controlling parties like, resulting in relatively few competitive seats. When this country was founded each representative had about 60,000 people in his district. Today, it’s nearly 700,000. Who’s going to be responsive to that many people?Report

          • Jaybird in reply to Slade the Leveller
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            When was the last 50 state presidential campaign?

            Trump campaigned in New York, New Jersey, and California.

            For what that’s worth.

            I agree 100% that the House is too small.Report

            • Chris in reply to Jaybird
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              I mean, Harris was here in Austin a few days before the election, which made no sense from an electoral standpoint. It was probably less a 50-state approach than a scheduling flub indicative of the incompetence of her campaign, but still, she was here.

              I wonder if she made any stops in Wyoming or Montana during the campaign.Report

            • Slade the Leveller in reply to Jaybird
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              He even came to Chicago, where he infamously pissed off a bunch of black journalists. Which was probably the whole reason. All I know is he f’ed up traffic on Lower Wacker something good.Report

        • Philip H in reply to Chris
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          Democrats didn’t go far enough left this cycle. And institutionalists like Schumer are utterly failing us.Report

          • Chris in reply to Philip H
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            Yeah, I don’t think they went left at all.

            And I don’t think they will in 2028 either. Certainly none of the people above will, because even if they did, they wouldn’t believe it, and therefore wouldn’t be able to sell it.

            Obviously, this is not a problem for the Right. Trump has shown over the years that what MAGA looks like, in its actual ideas, such as they are, is irrelevant, and can change at any point. What matters is that it breeds fear and nationalist pride, maybe with some cultural nostalgia thrown in. This allows any random Republican to join in and say whatever they want as long as it sounds touch and breeds fear or pride or makes people miss a time when the gays weren’t so visible.Report

  3. Saul Degraw
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    1. Newsom is a better governor than he gets credit for but this podcast is not endearing him to anyone likely to vote in Democratic Party primaries. But for the podcast, I would have considered him a strong contender.

    2. I think the candidate will be a governor, almost certainly male.

    Pritzker, Beshear, and Walz are probably looking at runningReport

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