Ten Things I Think After Watching Oppenheimer

Andrew Donaldson

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  1. Saul Degraw says:

    When do we get your ten things you felt after the Barbie pub crawl?Report

  2. North says:

    Thank you, this makes me want to see it even more.Report

  3. Em Carpenter says:

    Agree with most of this except I found the tits unnecessary, and I’m pretty oblivious to the score of movies but agree it was loud. At one point I thought the theatre’s fire alarm was going off. I love the movie and will watch again, even at three hours long.Report

    • Was the loudness specific to this movie, or was it part of the ongoing trend to pump up the volume at the theaters. I quit going to theaters years ago because for my aging ears, the volume was on occasion physically painful.Report

    • Fish in reply to Em Carpenter says:

      I saw the movie yesterday (did “Barbenheimer,” and let it be known that “Barbie” is fantastic). While I agree that much of the audio–music and otherwise–is loud, I saw it more as an audio representation of Oppenheimer’s mental state, the cacophony of thoughts and emotions contained within while doing his best to appear outwardly calm and in control.

      The “tits” seemed out of place, but I saw their use as more a vehicle to communicate vulnerability. I concede readily that maybe another way could have been found.Report

  4. I really want to see Rusty Venture as Kurt Godel.Report

  5. Mike says:

    I agree. Nolan hasn’t done nudity before and I think it detracts rather than adds to the film. When dealing with real people, especially one that apparently had deep issues, it seems gratuitous. It also makes it difficult to recommend to my rather conservative family.Report

  6. Saul Degraw says:

    Having seen the movie, I agree with what you have written here but had no firm opinions on the score. It felt kind of weird seeing Feynman portrayed but essentially be a cameo character who is generally seen but not heard.

    Also, the entire Barbie marketing strategy appears to be aimed at needling Oppenheimer and Nolan for being self-serious. Barbie basically appears to be Poptimism the Movie.Report

    • I think Barbie and Oppenheimer coming out together is actually helping both films marketing wise, such different movies but a lot of folks want to see both so it has become its own thing online, which is priceless for studios selling in-theater movies now.Report

  7. LeeEsq says:

    6. The Seven Hours directors. cut will consist of long drawn out teens of mathematics and Communist political meetings.Report

  8. John Puccio says:

    I went into the theater last night with high expectations and perhaps that is part of the reason I was terribly disappointed.

    I think this movie could have been profound if focused on Oppenheimer’s inner conflict, transformation and regret and not a defending your life prism of a Senate confirmation hearings and a board review of a security clearance renewal. What is it with Hollywood compulsion to focus on the Red Scare? So much more to Opp’s story that is far more interesting. Half the film is about his connection with communists and that is not that interesting.

    As for the score, it was a constant distraction. I don’t recall ever thinking that of a film. It was almost comical. I kept thinking “this is not nearly as dramatic as the music thinks it is.” So loud and so over the top. Kept taking me out of the film.

    It was way too long. 45 minutes needed to be cut.

    I laughed out loud at the board room sex scene.Report

  9. James K says:

    I saw it over the weekend, and I enjoyed it a lot. While long, I didn’t really feel the runtime and the suspense building up tot the Trinity test was phenomenal. I also thought the movie did a good job of considering the ethical issues with nuclear weapons.Report

  10. Wondering if anyone who’s seen the film remembers the TV miniseries with Sam Waterston.Report

  11. Burt Likko says:

    My biggest worry about Oppenheimer was that it would apothoeize the man. I’m okay with showing up a few good facets of his character and I’m very okay with highlighting the moral debate about using atomic weaponry at all. I just feared walking out of the theater with some rosy picture of the man who did more than anyone else to transform the postwar years into decades of nuclear terror.Report

  12. LeeEsq says:

    There are apparently complaints about the misogyny and a call for justice for the women of Oppenheimer for being defined by their relationship to Oppenheimer rather than themselves:

    https://www.vogue.com/article/justice-for-the-women-of-oppenheimer

    I really don’t like the increasingly doctrinaire demands for ideological perfection in all areas on the online sphere.Report

  13. LeeEsq says:

    On the other blog, my brother had a good observation that the people calling Oppenheimer a “white male” movie are doing a very big “Jews don’t count.” Many if not most of the physicists at Los Alamos were Jews. More than a few of them were refugees from you know who. Considering the time period of Oppenheimer, we know what was happening. Yet, Oppenheimer is still the “white male” movie for some reason. There is a really sick double game going on where Jews are supposed to give support for this and that cause because of our history of oppression and persecution but Jews don’t really count as a true persecuted minority.Report

    • InMD in reply to LeeEsq says:

      A smarter criticism from your brother would be to say that this line of art criticism is so utterly tired and pedestrian that anyone engaging in it should be assumed to be a boring, boring person.Report

  14. Jaybird says:

    I saw the movie today. We got good seats for the IMAX.

    I agree with you 100% about the sound. *EXCEPT*.

    You know the Trinity test? Well, when they went for complete and total silence, I found I was holding my breath. And then, when the noise hit, I started in my seat.

    That was a fun experience. I don’t know that I would have gotten it if the sound mix wasn’t so awful for the movie up to that point.

    When it comes to Florence Pugh, John Cena said it best:

    THAT SAID: I remember a movie review a million years ago that talked about sex scenes in movies thusly: If you could replace the sex scene with a card that said “and then they had sex” and then switched to the post-coital denouement without changing anything about the plot or theme, then you knew that the scene was in the movie for reasons other than plot or theme.

    IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

    When it came to the sex scenes in Oppenheimer, I don’t think that they could have been easily replaced with a card that said “and then they had sex”. So they had that going for them, at least.

    Part of me wonders if it wasn’t a backhanded sleight against the type of folks who would be most likely to say “Of course we should have dropped the bomb!”

    They go to see this movie, see this moral debate of bomb-dropping but they have to sit through some chesticles to get there.

    As for the story, I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MUCH TAIL OPPENHEIMER GOT. They went out of their way to introduce one character for 10 seconds so that Oppenheimer can say “Oh, yeah, I was down with O.P.P.” about yet another chick.

    Seriously, I wondered “DID UPDIKE WRITE THIS?”

    As for the dilemma at the core of the flick, yeah, Oppenheimer should have lost his clearance. Sure, he was loyal and loved America but he was not particularly careful about his bedfellows and that carelessness would have cost important information in his future even assuming that it lost none in his past.

    Great flick. Glad I saw it.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Jaybird says:

      Red Letter Media has dubbed Oppenheimer “The Last Movie”. (Jump ahead to 29:10)

      I agree with about 80% of what they say here.

      They, too, complain about the sound mix. They, too, are impressed with the fact that the movie cost a bajillion bucks because every single named character in the movie you see is played by an actor who got at least a “supporting actor/actress” nomination before. They, too, are troubled by streaming and what it means for the future.

      Anyway. If you’ve seen it, check out RLM. Have a good laugh. They might agree with you.Report