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David Thornton

David Thornton is a freelance writer and professional pilot who has also lived in Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. He is a graduate of the University of Georgia and Emmanuel College. He is Christian conservative/libertarian who was fortunate enough to have seen Ronald Reagan in person during his formative years. A former contributor to The Resurgent, David now writes for the Racket News with fellow Resurgent alum, Steve Berman, and his personal blog, CaptainKudzu. He currently lives with his wife and daughter near Columbus, Georgia. His son is serving in the US Air Force. You can find him on Twitter @CaptainKudzu and Facebook.

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  1. Dark Matter says:

    So he was showing off. Really, really amazing.Report

  2. Chip Daniels says:

    Tennessee and DeSantis signing the 6 week abortion ban into law, but doing it quietly in hopes no one will notice, both illustrate what I’m calling the “doom loop” that the GOP is in.

    The term comes from a strategy used by revolutionaries where they stage attacks on things like utilities and public squares, causing the repressive government to install draconian restrictions in an effort to crush the insurgency, which then fuels anti-government sentiment and alienation among the population, recruiting more people into the insurgency, leading to more attacks, leading to more crackdowns in a loop until the government topples.

    The government doesn’t necessarily want to react with draconian restrictions on freedom, but being repressive by nature and thinks only in terms of hierarchy dominance and control, believes it has no other options, and no experience with the long slow work of building trust and solidarity with the people. So even if sober voices in the government warn of slow walking into disaster, they aren’t able to imagine any other course.

    The GOP is in a similar position. Voices in the party are warning that the abortion bans and trans hatred are politically unpopular and could cost them votes, and they knew that expelling the lawmakers wouldn’t result in a political victory, but their institutional makeup, the very fabric of the Republican ethos of hierarchy dominance and control leaves them unable to imagine any other course of action.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      What’s popular with the activists who control the primaries is unpopular in the general election. The GOP needs to lose some elections to convince itself that it needs to put a leash on it’s anti-abortion wing.

      RE: Expelling the lawmakers
      I doubt a lot of political calculus went into it.Report

    • After five decades of mainlining moral absolutism it’s hard to see how the GOP could pump the brakes on abortion bans without an assist from either the Democrats or the courts or both.

      Now, having done what was within their power during those five decades to pack the courts with intellectual clones bred using FedSoc(tm) Juice, the courts are not likely to provide that assist. (A few days ago I offered my poetic analysis of this facet of the situation).

      Having applied their very clever but very contra-democracy Red States Initiative to gerrymander state legislatures so as to lock in minority government forever (best exemplified in Wisconsin) there may not be enough Democrats in many of these states to negotiate some kind of compromise.

      Finally, term limits, where they apply, operate to make sure that not even the leadership of the GOP in these state houses have the experience and wisdom to be able to talk a good game to the anti-abortion crowd button actually do anything to actually move the ball (See: Reagan, Ronald W.).

      Whatever chickens haven’t made it home to the roost yet are on their way.Report

  3. John Puccio says:

    I have so many questions about the Texiera story.

    How does a a 21-year old in the Massachusetts Air National Guard have such access to sensitive communications? The fact that he is an “IT guy” doesn’t explain it, especially post-Snowden.

    How sensitive were these documents really? Is this a case of the over classification of anything intelligence related?

    I get the sense that this is an opportunity to make an example of some low-level schlub than anything else.Report

    • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

      After the 20 year mis-adventure in Iraq and Afghanistan, having relatively low level Guard and Reserve with clearances to handle classified materials is way more the norm then not. Its what DoD has had to do for Ops Tempo.Report

    • North in reply to John Puccio says:

      In articles and conversations I’ve read a single theme recurs frequently: The 9/11 plotters were successful partially because the various US services information was siloed and unavailable to other US security services. I get the vibe that the correction to that may be what opened the window this idiot went through.Report

      • InMD in reply to North says:

        My experience is that the hardest vulnerability to control for and mitigate is the human one. Add to it that we now have technology with immense amounts of information at our fingertips and this is what happens.Report

    • Greg In Ak in reply to John Puccio says:

      From various twitter threads it doesn’t sound that far out. He had done some time at Fr Bragg so he was close to where info is kept. He saw more then just some Mass NG dope. Low ranking enlisted do all the grunt clerical work. E-3’s put together briefing books for officers. That kind of thing.Report

  4. Kazzy says:

    “The Tennessee House Republicans made a big strategic error with the expulsions, but it won’t hurt them too badly. Tennessee is deep red and any Republicans upset over the incident will quickly forgive and forget as soon as their local Republican comes up against another “Soros-backed socialist” next year.”

    What was the point? Well, this is more or less it.

    The point was to punish Democrats. But… it backfired. And the GOP was woefully unprepared for that because (give credit where credit is due) the GOP has made very few strategic errors lately (at least when evaluating short term effectiveness). And because of that second sentence there, how much of an error it really was is in question. They didn’t achieve what they wanted so, technically, they failed but they’ll suffer little to no consequence. So… no risk but potential reward. Fail to realize the reward? Oh well.

    It’s a free lottery ticket. No harm in scratching!Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to Kazzy says:

      If they’re only engaged in short-term thinking and can win re-election with performative but meaningless maneuvers, I say they succeeded. This probably plays well to deep-Red crowds. We can’t see it here because most of the conservative types who hang out with us on these pages are the increasingly-rare “Reasonable Republican” breed. We can agree or disagree with them, have conversations on the meritsof an issue, and back off the heat of disagreements when the conversation is done.

      That’s not how you win election in a deep red district. It seems you win election in those places by grandstanding on social issues, cutting spending on things like libraries and schools, distributing pictures of your grinning children in their pajamas holding AR-15’s on Christmas morning, making public displays of your shallow patriotism and even shallower piety, and throwing darkly-worded, reality-deficient, and (((barely-coded))) intimations about your “Democrat” opponent. The sort of stuff that I for one would love to dismiss as fringe stuff that gets highlighted on social media by the lefty types who try to outrage us not-so-far left Democrats with outrageous things but doesn’t really exemplify what Republicans are actually all about.

      I’d love to think that’s fringe stuff. But there’s a lot of it. And the brakes on it have become disabled over time. I fear there aren’t enough David Thorntons in the GOP anymore to constitute effective adult oversight.Report

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Kazzy says:

      It’s like DeSantis’ war against Disney.

      There isn’t any big idea other than “Respect Mah Authoriteh!!” but they don’t have the institutional ability to approach outside entities as equals so they can only resort to all-or-nothing displays of dominance.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

        What would approaching the pro-choice movement “as equals” look like?Report

        • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

          Offering policy concessions from the Pro-life side in exchange for policy concessions from the Pro-choice side. In contrast to the current Pro-life (and, really, the right at large) policy of demanding policy concessions in exchange for nothing.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to North says:

            And what policy concessions from the pro-choice side do you think they’d be willing to make?

            And for that matter, the pro-life side is trying to establish a moral equiv to murder. What “concessions” should/would they make?

            There probably is a golden middle here somewhere, but the two sides aren’t even slightly close to agreeing where it should be.Report

            • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

              For starters how about no state gets to regulate access in another state? Or use the federal courts to impose its will on others? Or prevent its citizens freedom of movement to seek abortions? And maybe make contraception low cost/free across the board? With useful sex education so that unwanted pregnancy rates go down? Like Colorado pre-Dobbs?Report

              • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

                For starters how about no state gets to regulate access in another state?

                The gun nuts are already all over this. They want this law passed and passed yesterday.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                And what is the pro-choice movement going to give up in exchange for this? Will you not oppose state laws in those states? BTW that would probably include outlawing the shipping of home abortion drugs to those states.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

                BTW that would probably include outlawing the shipping of home abortion drugs to those states.

                So much for the Commerce Clause then.

                What I proposed is simply a return to status quo ante regarding general regulations. You know, all that Federalism you were on about a day or two ago. None of that is about actually regulating abortion access, or how many weeks etc. And the contraception stuff has always been a pro-choice position, because it tends to significantly blunt the need for abortions.

                So if lowering the rate of abortion were the goal, that proposal gets there. Demonstrably so. If that’s not the goal – and all the 6 week bans being passed and signed into law seem to indicate its not – then for negotiations to happen the anti-choice side needs to start being clear about what they want and why.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Philip H says:

                Compromise:

                Abortion on demand in the first trimester; Some regulations in the second, and only by medical necessity in the third;
                All insurance plans must cover all forms of reproductive services;

                All hospitals must offer all forms of reproductive care
                Also, free contraception for anyone of any age;
                Mandatory sex education in all schools.

                In exchange, we will allow them to keep the Hyde amendment and not have government funded abortions.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                What I proposed is simply a return to status quo ante regarding general regulations.

                The pro-life movement viewed the status quo so unacceptable that they got 6 Supremes elected.

                if lowering the rate of abortion were the goal…

                “Lowering the rate” of school shootings doesn’t lower the distress on the ones that exist.

                negotiations to happen the anti-choice side needs to start being clear about what they want and why

                Abortion is murder. A fetus is human. No abortions except for rape, and when the mother’s life is in danger.

                The problem isn’t that they’re not clear about what they want. The problem is in order to do this women have to massively lose rights.Report

              • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Which means the pro-choice side can’t really offer them anything can we?Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

                That’s my point. The two sides are further apart than the pro/anti gun groups. They correctly view themselves in a zero sum game. One is trying to keep women pregnant and the other is trying to let them choose not to be.

                The gun debate has common ground because the pro-gun groups don’t want murder or mass shootings. So after the Virginia Tech shooting they passed laws to prevent the mentally ill from getting guns.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                I mean, the obvious compromise was on the so called “Partial birth abortion” issue wherein pro-choicers generally said “Fine, you agree to stop going after abortion in the first trimester and we’ll compromise with pro-lifers on later term abortions” and the pro-lifers counter was “outlaw late term abortions and we’ll pocket that and go after the rest.”Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to North says:

                The problem with outlawing late term abortions is we’re getting to medical horror cases here. By the third trimester the woman clearly knows she’s pregnant and has decided to have a baby.

                Something has to be really wrong to have an abortion at this point, and by definition it’s going to be an extreme corner case. A law that pretends everything will work out fine because there can’t be medical problems at this point isn’t going to intersect well with reality.Report

              • North in reply to Dark Matter says:

                Hey, sure, you know and I know that it would be a dumpster fire but we’re both pro-choice. In the aughts that deal was there for the pro-lifers taking and they wanted it- but didn’t want to “pay” for it by conceding early term abortions. Pro-choicers have never been about forcing peeps to have abortions and pro-lifers have never made many bones about the fact that any concession they got they’d simply use to try and go after the whole banana.Report

              • Pinky in reply to North says:

                I remember the stuff you guys used to fight us on. Suspension of free speech rights in front of a clinic. Born-alive protection. RU-486 before it was tested. Parental notification. The Mexico City policy. You guys were fighting for every inch of ground in support of your cause and your voters, the same as us.Report

              • North in reply to Pinky says:

                Well of course. Why would the pro-choicers give ground on any of that when nothing was being offered in exchange? As your boy W would say “better ta fight em over there than over here.”Report

              • Pinky in reply to North says:

                That’s one possible analysis, but it’s the exact opposite of the position you took at the beginning of this subthread.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Pinky says:

                ETA: OK, you didn’t actually take the position that pro-choicers offered compromises, I’ll give you that much.Report

              • North in reply to Pinky says:

                Glad you noticed before I had to point it out.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Pinky says:

                I looked up “The Mexico city policy” because I didn’t recognize it. It’s the gag rule. Since it became policy when Team Red has been running the show and not when Blue was we can figure out it’s effects.

                It increases the number of abortions. Not by a small amount either. Basically with less information there are more unintended pregnancies.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_policy#Impact

                It might be a place for “common ground”.Report

              • InMD in reply to Dark Matter says:

                From a purely practical perspective the most pro life policy possible is and always has been to have contraception easily available everywhere and people educated on how to use it.Report

              • CJColucci in reply to InMD says:

                The Venn Diagram of anti-abortionists and pro-contraception advocates doesn’t overlap all that much.Report

              • Jaybird in reply to CJColucci says:

                But the Venn Diagram of anti-abortionists and anti-contraception advocates suffers from having an absolutely dinky circle as one of the two.

                Like, there are pictures of Venus in transit that have more overlap.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Jaybird says:

                And yet we still have “The Mexico City Policy” enacted whenever there’s a Team Red President. Even though this actually increases the number of abortions and the issue has been well studied.

                The Virtue Signaling for this issue is way more important than the outcomes or the reality of this issue.Report

              • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

                I think there’s a very small number of true believers for anti-contraception as public policy taped to a much more significant number of people opposed to paying for the larger public health initiatives that would make it available where it needs to be for maximum effect.Report

  5. Pinky says:

    I think you vote to throw someone out if it’s the right thing to do, whether or not it sticks. As I’ve said, I never deep-dove into the original protest, but I have no problem with the Republicans making a statement if it was justified.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Pinky says:

      The thing that stands out of what they did is I would be instantly fired if I did it… but it’s represented in the media as “protesting outside” which I wouldn’t be.Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter says:

        If the CEO of your company was giving a speech and you shouted “You Lie!” you would also get fired.

        But see, this is why I say Republicans don’t have the institutional ability to see governance as equal citizens interacting, but see everything in terms of dominance and submission, hierarchy and obedience.

        The President is not the CEO of America and the Congressmen aren’t his employees. The Tennessee legislators are not hirelings to be dismissed when they displease El Jefe.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels says:

          Expanding “Tennessee legislators” dealing with an in House protest to “all of the GOP, all of the time” seems excessive.

          My strong expectation is the people who run the state pretty much always feel (with some justification) that they’re more important and more powerful than others.Report

  6. Philip H says:

    Funny how when you want to run for national office, you have to play on a national stage, where enacting draconian abortion restrictions back home might not go so well:

    The late-night private signing also stood in stark contrast to the celebratory event exactly a year prior, when DeSantis, surrounded by women and children and in front of hundreds of onlookers, enacted a 15-week abortion ban at a Orlando-area megachurch as news cameras captured the scene.

    The six-week ban “is going to cause a lot of problems for him,” said Amy Tarkanian, the former chairwoman of the Republican Party in Nevada, where voters have cemented abortion protections in the state constitution. “And I’m pro-life, but I can see the writing on the wall.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/politics/ron-desantis-abortion-florida-ban/index.htmlReport

    • InMD in reply to Philip H says:

      I have… very conflicted feelings about Richard Hanania, and find some of his positions and analysis to be racist so be forewarned (nothing like that in the post linked to below but ymmv on other posts of his you may find at his substack). Anyway Andrew Sullivan linked to his post making a pretty convincing case from the right that this will be a serious albatross for the GOP that may be if interest.

      https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-women-rebel-against-pro-lifeReport

      • Philip H in reply to InMD says:

        HIs is a very interesting take, but it continues down the path of the GOP is filled with currently silent moderates who can get the horse back into the barn. Day after day we find this not to be the case.Report

      • Jesse in reply to InMD says:

        Hanania’s pretty damn racist, but he’s not a total idiot, which makes it funny whenever he writes something reasonable (like the media is largely trustworthy, abortion bans are a bad idea, or vaccines work), the people who bought his Substack for the scientific racism go a bit nuts in the comments.

        Kind of the same thing w/ ole’ Freddie – people pay for his Substack for him to rant about the woke elite, then get upset when he doesn’t get fully on the anti-trans or continues to be left-wing on other issues unlike other “anti-woke” crusaders supposedly on the Left.Report

    • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H says:

      Funny how when you want to run for national office, you have to play on a national stage, where enacting draconian abortion restrictions back home might not go so well:

      Yep. That.

      And they may not even play well back home.Report

  7. Dark Matter says:

    In my news feed, three cops screw up and kill someone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkCAj_pKtXY

    It won’t go viral because the racial line up isn’t correct.Report