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Rufus F.

Rufus is a likeable curmudgeon. He has a PhD in History, sang for a decade in a punk band, and recently moved to NYC after nearly two decades in Canada. He wrote the book "The Paris Bureau" from Dio Press (2021).

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  1. Saul Degraw says:

    I would say you are describing Hollywood more in the 1960s especially as the industry was in the last grips of tbe Hayes Code and just before the changes which allowed for movies like The Graduate and Midnight Cowboy. Old men doing old things and hoping that faded magic works.

    That being said, I am not sure how much I agree. It is an interesting thesis and there is something there. My pause is the fact that both of us are minority readers. Most people do not like reading and among readers, most people seem to like to read really fluffy stuff. Every now and then a true work of literary fiction makes it big. I feel like more often you here the biggest hits and new sensations target their books at what C.S. Lewis famously called “non-literary readers.” The tension often being that these blockbuster authors get in internet hot water for having retrograde views on romance and gender roles in their books. Colleen Hoover seems to be the new version. These are book versions of Hallmark Christmas movies or Emily in Paris. You might get big city settings but the values are small town and SF, NY, or Paris are preferred as fantasies over reality. Best not visit, it might disappoint.

    For what I am reading, I just finished The French Mind, Peter Watson’s history of 400 years of French intellectual and literary life by way of the Salons and Cafes.Report

    • LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Most people read for fun and pleasure, not to get challenged. It drives a certain type of leftist intellectual nuts because they have to grapple with what does it mean when most people like culture that they see as fascist. If you take Adorno’s Thesis Against Occultism enough any novel or fictional work involving the supernatural in even the most minor way is a regression of consciousness that is contrary to Marxist principles. Most people are going to find such a hardcore teaching too much for themselves and rather kill joy. The strict intellectual Marxists would find it no surprise that writers like Colleen Hoover have retrograde views because they perceive all popular fiction as inherently reactionary fascist.Report

    • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Yeah, Hollywood definitely went through the same thing. I probably just know the music industry’s history a little better. I don’t know why these companies get big enough that they stop taking chances- maybe it’s easier to put out an Eagles live double album or a star-studded disaster movie and get your investment back than some garage band that’s trying something weird.

      What happened with music was nuts because you had these bands in the early to mid 70s that would record demos, send them to the majors, get shot down, and then just break up. It took the rise of the indie labels for people to realize they could just put out their own 45s and LPs. And then like 30 years later a bunch of those demos actually got released as deluxe collectors “discoveries” as what-might-have-been. Bands like Zolar X or Death should have been huge, but the major labels didn’t get it. Anyway, I also see a lot of books reissued now that nobody read 40 years ago get hyped as rediscoveries.

      Part of the problem is probably that I’m (barely) trying to sell this novel I wrote, and so I’m following a lot of literary agents on Twitter. Aside from the fact that many of them seem to hate reading anything, the big deals they hype making are like “Six Figure Advance for a Popular Photogenic TikToker whose debut novel is being written right now!” It’s a lot of trend-chasing and generic content. If I see one more novel where the synopsis is “They seemed like the perfect suburban family. But, when their daughter was found murdered, dark secrets about their past began to emerge…”

      Another thing that you notice is that about 80% of these agents and editors are white women and they all tend to look for what they call “women’s fiction.” So, really, it could be that I get bored with new novels because they’re just not aimed at me, which is okay. But, also, there’s something extremely cheesy about the mentality that “books are for girls and movies are for boys.”

      And, for the record, I’ve never been able to stand Adorno or take him seriously. I mean, the guy thought Mickey Mouse was capitalist repression! It’s not about really about serious “intellectual” content in fiction- which is nearly impossible to write well and almost never works.

      The novels that stick with me are ones that are either really unexpected and a little weird, or more often get at some aspect of being alive that I’ve never seen in a book before. It doesn’t mean wall-to-wall internal monologues. I like to say that characters can *think*, but you’d better give them something to *do* as well.

      Maybe another parallel would be network television thirty years ago. I read plenty of fluff. I just need a little more originality and weirdness and maybe a few less stories about successful white women who have complicated relationships with their more successful white lady friend.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

        You are a member of the Frankfurt School with more forgiving music tastes than Adorno. Literary fiction took a hit in status through a combination of fandom achieving victory in media and a lot of people convincing themselves that literary fiction was a white male thing that punished women and non-white authors for some reason.Report

        • Rufus F. in reply to LeeEsq says:

          That’s utter bullshit. I never had any interest in the Frankfurt School, not even when made to read that stuff in grad school, and you’ll find no evidence of them in my writing here or elsewhere.Report

          • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

            “That’s utter bullshit. I never had any interest in the Frankfurt School, not even when made to read that stuff in grad school”

            It is those last two words as to why you have different tastes. I’ve often discovered that you can freak out a lot of people by telling them what grad school is like especially in the arts and humanities. The general reaction I get isn’t “that sounds like a cool experience.” It is more “Why would anyone want to do that to themselves?”Report

            • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

              I usually just tell them “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.” I’ll never be able to explain it, but once I got the Ph.D. I had almost no interest in continuing in academia; yet, I’ve never regretted doing it for a second.Report

              • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

                I also do not regret my M.F.A and have no real desire to try for a theatrical career again. However, I also did not think grad school was as hellish as many people seem to think it was. Yet, when I tell people that you basically spend three years of your life with the same people in classrooms learning and doing projects, they think it is the most insane thing in the world.Report

              • Michael Cain in reply to Rufus F. says:

                I failed in both runs I made at a PhD (in two different disciplines). I love graduate classes, but (a) despise even the idea of qualifying exams, and (b) the PhD-level research I did in industry — that’s in the opinion of colleagues who sat on dissertation committees — was peculiar cross-disciplinary stuff.

                I’m old enough now that I can audit classes at the local state university for free. All it takes is the professor’s signature. I can promise to sit in the back and not ask questions.Report

          • LeeEsq in reply to Rufus F. says:

            Sorry. I’ve just been thinking about Adorno’s Thesis Against Occultism recently and what it means in the modern cultural landscape. I’d honestly wonder what the Frankfurt School would think of modern fandom culture, I mean they would obviously believe it isn’t good but the more specific critiques would be interesting.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

        I am not really into Adorno, Lee brought him up. His essay on Beckett’s Endgame is influential but it is also almost a parody of bad academic writing.

        “maybe it’s easier to put out an Eagles live double album or a star-studded disaster movie and get your investment back than some garage band that’s trying something weird.”

        Yes, it is easier to do this and always has been. I dislike the Eagles (insert Big Lebowski joke here) but a lot of people like the Eagles and it is easier to make money putting out Eagles type music. Most people do not like weird music. Back in the 1990s when buying music was still a thing, a lot of executives ended up signing Kurt Cobain’s musical heroes for reasons unknown and it turns out that a lot of people do not like to listen to Sonic Youth, the Meat Puppets, or Butthole Surfers. Those bands are just too experimental, arty, weird, and intense. Even more mellow and witty stuff like the Magnetic Fields is probably not to the taste of most people.

        Here is an example, my new firm has monthly lunches and every now and then we start with an ice breaker question because not everyone works with each other and we are relatively large. The most recent ice breaker was “What is your go to karaoke song?” Most people picked very mainstream and recognizable stuff like Dancing Queen, Holding out for a Hero, Sweet Caroline, etc. I picked Disco 2000 by Pulp. Most other people got reactions of “oh yeah!” I got my boss stating “okay” in a vaguely eyeroll way.

        “Part of the problem is probably that I’m (barely) trying to sell this novel I wrote, and so I’m following a lot of literary agents on Twitter. Aside from the fact that many of them seem to hate reading anything, the big deals they hype making are like “Six Figure Advance for a Popular Photogenic TikToker whose debut novel is being written right now!” It’s a lot of trend-chasing and generic content. If I see one more novel where the synopsis is “They seemed like the perfect suburban family. But, when their daughter was found murdered, dark secrets about their past began to emerge…”

        Another thing that you notice is that about 80% of these agents and editors are white women and they all tend to look for what they call “women’s fiction.” So, really, it could be that I get bored with new novels because they’re just not aimed at me, which is okay. But, also, there’s something extremely cheesy about the mentality that “books are for girls and movies are for boys.”

        A lot of men do not like to read and when men do like to read, it tends towards non-fiction often enough or heavily genre fiction like hard-boiled detective stuff, science fiction, and fantasy. I am not sure why this is. But I think that reading is still a counter-intuitive pleasure even though it has been around for thousands of years.

        As to the kind of book plot that makes you want to rage, it is still in the realm of literary fiction. Colleen Hoover is far from that. She is escapist romance stuff with traditionalist gender stuff.

        https://slate.com/culture/2022/08/colleen-hoover-books-it-ends-with-us-verity.html

        “Hoover never, for example, wastes words in conjuring a sense of place or atmosphere. She might set a novel in Boston or San Francisco or upstate New York, settings chosen seemingly at random, and with a minimum of research. There’s no such thing as local color in Hooverland. Hilariously, in It Ends With Us, she has two teenagers in a small Maine town discuss their desire to move to Boston, where the people talk in such a funny way, saying “cah” instead of “car”—as if Mainers don’t pronounce the word similarly, with an even heavier Yankee accent.”

        The other trend in literary fiction right now is that Asian-Americans especially first and second generation ones are having their Philip Roth and Saul Bellow moments where the novelists grip with their heritages and traditions while also being assimilated Americans.Report

        • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          Right, what happened in the 90s was Nirvana had a huge hit and the music industry suddenly realized there was this whole genre of music they’d basically ignored for about a decade and a half. So, they tried to play catchup by signing anything that *vaguely* reminded them of Nirvana or Pearl Jam. And then throw a bunch of money at the bands they’d never be able to pay back before dropping them like a hot potato. At a certain point, you have to wonder if they really thought Shudder to Think or the Melvins were going to be playing in every teenager’s bedroom going forward.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

        More on Hoover: “There are a few abiding mysteries about Hoover’s books: Why, for example, is the airline pilot hero of 2014’s Ugly Love named after Sam Spade’s murdered partner in The Maltese Falcon? But I do believe I’ve identified the secret to Hoover’s success: Her books are efficient delivery mechanisms for the maximum dosage of multiple crowd-pleasers: love stories, unabashed smut, trauma plots, tear-jerking soap opera, and wild narrative twists. They are the everything bagels of popular fiction. And as far as her fans are concerned, who could ask for anything more?”

        This is what most people want. People like us need to recognize that we just have minority tastes unfortunately. From what I read, it is considered a miracle if a book of literary fiction sells a few thousand copies generally. This includes the stuff that makes you want to eye-roll.Report

        • Rufus F. in reply to Saul Degraw says:

          Yeah, that’s the sort of depressing thing. One of the novels I read recently that blew me away- which I reviewed for BUST Magazine- was Kathryn Bromwich’s novel At the Edge of the Woods. It was great on one hand that it’s on an indie publisher who did right by the novel and will get it out to the people most likely to appreciate it. On the other hand, it’s pretty much an instant classic that will be lucky to be read by 1,000+ people. The big five publishers simply have more reach to get the most books sold and read.Report

          • Saul Degraw in reply to Rufus F. says:

            A friend of mine from college is a librarian in a big public urban system. She writes overjoyed posts about patrons who check out stacks of manga or romance books. Honestly, these kind of depress me. I would like her to write about it being cool to help someone find a long-out of print book or esoteric book said patron spent years searching for. This does not seem likely though. She probably sees it as her mission to get people reading.Report

  2. LeeEsq says:

    I have recently discovered the wonderful novels of Peter Carey and I’m finishing his Parrot and Oliver in America. For non-fiction, I’m reading Christianity: The Triumph of a Religion which is about how Christianity became the dominate religion in Europe.Report