Both Sides Of The Horseshoe Are Dead Wrong About Banning Pornography
Governments have a long history of trying to protect women from making bad choices and many rights—the right to vote, the right to divorce, the right to obtain a line of credit without a male guardian present—were secured over the objections those who thought women would abuse that liberty. And while we now cherish those rights, others, such as a woman’s right to express herself sexually, have become prime targets for paternalism on both the left and the right.
On the right, arguments for banning pornography often center around how it affects men. Conservative men often report being “addicted” to pornography, and describe their shame and self-loathing after consuming it. In one not particularly reliable survey, up to 50% of self-identified Christian men were also self-identified pornography addicts.
On the left, the arguments often focus on how pornography hurts women. How it degrades them, dehumanizes them, and causes men to treat them worse, leading to more sexual assault, more pedophilia, and even “bad sex.”
For these reasons, both sides of the horseshoe argue that we should ban pornography because it will improve our relationships with one another, make men kinder to women, and protect women from bad, life-destroying choices. And as is often the case when there is substantial bipartisan agreement, they’re dead wrong.
A brief survey of countries that ban pornography, countries like North Korea, China, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Iran, does not suggest that banning pornography leads to any sort of improvement in the lot of women. If banning pornography were truly an effective way to get men to treat women better, we might expect to see even one country on the list where women might prefer to live. But if there’s an example, I haven’t found it.
And a brief history of the practice of banning women from doing sexual things does not suggest that it works out great for women. American vice squads, now often rebranded to “human trafficking” units, have a long and sordid history of sexually assaulting the women they’re expected to protect from brutish men. FOSTA/SESTA, passed nearly unanimously in 2018 as a way to protect women from being able to post advertisements for sexual services online, resulted in a spike in beatings, murders, and rapes as sex workers had to go out into the real world to find customers—reducing their ability to vet potential clients.
It would be naïve to suspect that banning pornography would end it. There will always be a market. There will always be countries where it is legal to produce. But making it illegal provides those with capital in the industry far more leverage to demand unreasonable things from their employees without those employees having legal recourse. Reasonable legal protections—like the right to demand other performers use a condom, the right to being paid wages on time, the right of compensation from workplace accidents, simply can’t exist in a criminal space, which is why you don’t see drug mules getting dental plans.
And even if banning pornography could readily be done, there comes the difficult question of what qualifies. In the 1960s and 70s, at a time when obscenity laws were more regularly enforced, judges and juries often disagreed about what constituted “hardcore pornography” without “redeeming social value.” In one 1973 case, the Supreme Court of Georgia held that the film “Carnal Knowledge” was so morbidly sexual it could enjoy no First Amendment protection. And it wasn’t until SCOTUS weighed in a year later that a diligent reader could learn it was a movie about Art Garfunkel and Jack Nicholson both dating Candice Bergen.
And then there’s the problem of slippery slopes — and yes, I know, once you start making one slippery slope argument you’re bound to start making more. But traditionally, agencies in charge of limiting things, whether it’s crime or pollution or workplace health and safety violations, tend to expand their mandate over time, because taking on more tasks means more funding, more employees, and more clout. Agencies put in charge of limiting pornography, a form of speech older than feminism and religion put together, might find themselves seeking out new and exotic forms of speech-related harms to women.
And we can say all these things even if it’s true that pornography harms women. But the evidence for that is mixed at best. For one thing, some studies suggest that more widely available pornography reduces rates of sexual assault and violence. Proponents often point to studies showing that men who sexually assault women self-report watching more, and more violent, pornography. But this runs the risk of confusing cause and effect—do chemistry textbooks lead to bomb baking, or do bombmakers simply tend to be interested in chemistry?
If pornography leads to sexual assault, and pornography has become vastly more available in the United States over the past 30 years, we might expect to see a spike in violent sexual crime. But instead, what we see is a large drop from until 2013, when the FBI definition was revised to be more inclusive, leading to an overall slight rise from 1990, even as women have become more likely to report sexual assault.
As for the claim that men have become worse at sex due to their reliance on pornography, it’s hard to quantify. After all, there is no control group of women who have steadily slept with 20 year olds from 1970 onwards who can report how sexual expertise has changed. And historically, many people have been bad at sex. The solution, sad to say, is the same as it always was: Talk to your partner about what you need and, if they refuse to provide it, consider looking elsewhere.
Ultimately, efforts to ban porn, like efforts to ban drugs, and alcohol, and violent video games, seem directed at addressing a small, embarrassing part of ourselves—the monkey that will keep hitting the button for cocaine until it dies. But there is no way to eradicate the dumb little primate parts of our brains, no matter how many laws we pass. What works for the monkeys, and the rats, and all the other little animals we deal drugs to, is an enriched environment that provides options for pleasure other than spamming the button. To be our better selves, we have to create a better world. And we won’t get there with a set of handcuffs.
Your argument is cogent, but its gaping hole – namely, that it’s not predicted on the principle that people ought not to use each other for sensual pleasure devoid of respect and commitment – needs addressing. But then again, we’re now such a post-Judeo-Christian society, a society completely devoid of absolutes, that that may be unlikely.Report
That’s a very Kantian perspective — the problem is that even the most Judeo-Christian societies frequently ignored that edict, and even if there was punishment for it, that punishment was almost exclusively directed against women. As a matter of public policy, I just don’t think it could be equitably and justly implemented.Report
The idea that we are post judeo christian is crazy pants in every way. For one we weren’t exactly loving the “judeo” part until the last few years. It was always the “christian” part that has been emphasized for the past few hundred years or so.Report
you said “gaping hole”. heh hehReport
My friend I respect your position but there are no circumstances where I’d use the phrase “gaping hole” when talking about porn.Report
The advent of online pornography has revealed some surprising things. Until now, it was just assumed that people’s sex lives needed some sort of outside controls, or at the very least, pornography needed some sort of boundary around it at the very least to keep it away from impressionable young people.
But…surprisingly, even when allowed complete unfettered access to hard core pornography 24/7, most people- including teenagers!- govern their sex lives responsibly.
Young people court each other and form relationships and families not much different than they always have.Report
Like everything else, there are power laws.* Many Americans do not drink. Many others just drink every now and then. The alcohol industry derives most of its profits from heavy drinkers though. A smallish part of the population that just buys a lot of alcohol and drinks a lot.
People probably watch more pornography than they let on but most people do not talk about in public because most people are not creeps.** But there are probably a small part of users who are heavy pornography addicts and it would not surprise me if many in this group come from more conservative religions or cultures where the amount of acceptable watching pornographic viewing is zero.
*I do think there are some problems with how the United States seems to define alcoholic addiction. I was just listening to a CLE on the issue and apparently a sign of a problem is drinking alone and/or drinking every night. I have been drinking a beer or glass or wine (sometimes 2) every night with dinner for years even if I am eating alone. I drink a lot less than many people I know.
**That being said, the How to Do It column on slate makes me wonder how much of the population has barely contained IDs.Report
On the other blog, a poster once wrote that without the really have drinkers, the multiple drinks in a day crowd, the alcohol industry would go into a tailspin despite moderate drinkers outnumbering them by tens of millions. And yes, the US definition of problem drinkers is really stringent and comes from America’s Protestant heritage influencing public health thinking. Many public health experts probably take in ideal world, humans wouldn’t drink or even eat unhealthy foods or eat in excess ever. That isn’t happening.
The How Do It columns, I’m still not sure how much of that is real and how much is just trying to troll because the reader knows that they will get a response. Sex life isn’t exactly evenly distributed and some people have the inclination and ability to get a really wild sex life and others might lack one or other or both.Report
People will always battle over what forms of commercial sex should be legal and what should be illegal. I can see why pornography makes people uneasy from a variety of perspectives but a ban will be totally unenforceable unless you want to go really authoritarian. I think for the Left, the problem with pornography is that anything that is aimed at the cis-gender, heterosexual male audience sexually comes across as being demeaning and objectifying women, since it reduces them to only existing to satisfy male desire, and this doesn’t sit right. There isn’t a real way to ban this type of porn but not other types though.Report
I think it is universal to be ambivalent about our own biology.
While we strive for nobility of purpose and transcendence, we are often rudely reminded that we have darker impulses to be selfish and callously indifferent to others well being.
Porn and horror tales explore this territory but at a safe remove allowing us to remain safely detached.Report
Horror is something that I have strong feelings against. I find it to be a disgusting genre that generally takes pleasure in sadism and the pain of others, especially the horror movies that go for really gruesome violence. Action movies might be brutally violent but they usually don’t celebrate the sheer sadism of the villain like horror movies do.Report
I haven’t seen the left discuss banning pornography for a while. The Dworkin branch is pretty much a minority now. Where the center-left seems more split is a on whether sex work where there is actual sexual activity between the worker and client is involved.*
*There is at least a growing but still small voice for the decriminalization/legalization of sex work formally known as prostitution. Politely called being an escort.Report
The Left doesn’t call for banning porn but I think a decent portion doesn’t really like porn or any sort of fan service aimed at cis-gender heterosexual men for objectifying women. Even works that are aimed more at romance and relationships than sex itself come across as bad when the main target audience is heterosexual men because the entire dopey but decent guy with a beautiful woman trope is loathed by many. It is seen as encouraging nice guyism.
Sex work in the form of commercial sex services is something I’m wary of legalizing because it gives traffickers an arena to easier work in. My understanding is that the Netherlands has a big problem with human traffickers using it as a place to do their evil work because legal prostitution provides a sort of shelter for them.Report
The trouble with porn is that it passes on misinformation. Young men who take jobs delivering pizza or cleaning swimming pools are often disappointed to find out that the fringe benefits are not what they thought. And no, your father’s new trophy wife is not interested in having sex with you.Report
I think you need to update your tropes.Report
The last trope is still common in porn. Maybe even more so than the past. I don’t think that the background scenarios mislead people. What is misleading is how sex is supposed to look, feel, and sound.Report
Getting into a kerfuffle about comparative expertise in porn serves neither of our interestsReport
This is a respectable blog, not Facebook or Twitter.Report
Unless i’ve missed something the only big or new push on limiting porn is by Republican’s in Louisiana. That might be important to mention while busy both-siding this.
In other news i’ve heard very few Free Speech Warriors freaking about the LA law. Hear plenty about silly word usage and things the gov isn’t doing, but not much about this. Funny that.Report
One of the biggest problems with making trade-offs is that you’re having to weigh “P, but Q” against “X, but Y” and there are a lot of very good reasons to see Q as bad and a lot of very good reasons to see Y as bad.
But people who think that Q is worse than Y can regularly run into the accusation “Oh, so you’re saying that Y isn’t bad?” when they argue, for example, that Prohibition of Alcohol has a lot of unintended consequences. “I don’t think that we should be banning alcohol like this. It’s creating crime.” “So you’re saying that you approve of domestic violence?!?”
The social sanction against pornography resulted in a lot of pornography being produced and distributed by somewhat toxic people who were victimizing a lot of young women.
Advancements in technology and reductions in stigma have resulted in content creators being able to create and distribute their own stuff, kinda, without having to work with abusive/toxic people, kinda. (Though the #1 creator on the #1 such site recently took to social media and gave a cry for help about her husband threatening her and forcing her to do stuff she wasn’t comfortable with so it’s nowhere *NEAR* able to get rid of the whole toxicity thing.)
The question always seems to come down to “What problem are we trying to solve?”
So… what problem are we trying to solve?Report
Some industries are always going to attract toxic and semi-criminal to full criminal people. Porn is one of those industries. I’m still opposed to making it illegal but even when legal and more or less socially acceptable, it doesn’t exactly attract people of outstanding or even normal behavior.Report
“doesn’t exactly”? How many of the interviews at “Holly Randall Unfiltered” have you studied? I find a lot of those people quite “normal”, depending on your take on that word.Report