Mini-Throughput: The Continued Failure of Malthusianism

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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10 Responses

  1. Oscar Gordon says:

    Technology has dropped fertility, or simply reproductive rates?Report

    • Pinky in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

      Technically, fecundity refers to the ability to have children, and fertility to the having of children. So we could say (on first pass) that technology has increased fecundity and decreased fertility. But digging deeper, it’s more accurate to say that the “demographic transition” from high-fertility cultures to low-fertility cultures is a cultural phenomenon, not particularly dependent on technology. Every population has the know-how to keep the number of children low.Report

  2. Oscar Gordon says:

    Honestly, fresh water is going to be a harder limiter than fertilizer or crop yields. This is why I fully expect indoor, vertical farming to be a much bigger deal in the near future.Report

  3. Brent F says:

    I think you’re being unfair to Malthus himself, his theory fits all pre-industrial societies very well and he wasn’t writing with the benefit of the industrial example. Its that the ability to firmly break out of the Malthusian trap isn’t an option until you have an industrial revolution.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to Brent F says:

      And someone to conceptualize that it is a problem. Abrahamic religions make “have all the kids you can” an expression of morality. It takes a lot of gumption to say “actually no that’s wrong” to a world where those religions are still taken seriously!Report

      • Pinky in reply to DensityDuck says:

        Here you get into the difference between Malthus and a lot of the people who called themselves Malthusians. Malthus originally believed that the only forces which would keep population down were misery and vice, with misery including war and famine and vice including artificial birth control and other methods that were too barbaric for him to say aloud. He later added moral restraint to the list, which for him basically meant marrying later in life. So it’s right to see him as an innovator in the direction of smaller families, but not as most moderns today would think of it.Report

  4. DensityDuck says:

    Useful to point out that O’Rourke was describing Malthusian thought, not subscribing to it.Report

  5. Michael Cain says:

    I’m more inclined to The Limits to Growth sorts of analysis; a belief that the complex system of climate, ecology, and civilization has multiple stable states; the system exhibits hysteresis (ie, there are “tipping points”); and we almost certainly don’t understand most of what the other stable states are or where the tipping points are.

    Malthus was wrong about how far we could push grain genetics. The Limits to Growth was wrong, I think, in their model of pollution, missing climate change as a forcing mechanism for regime change. I’m inclined to believe, with little real supporting evidence, that there will be another stable point with temperatures about 2.5 °C warmer than the stable point we have been occupying. Lots of geographic changes, and a quite different view of what civilization is going to deliver and how many people can have it. (Eg, better than current modern medicine will be available, casual globe-spanning travel and shipping won’t.)Report