About Last Night: Primaries in MI, MO, KS, AZ, and WA

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  1. Philip H says:

    Sadly, the AZ House Speaker was further punished for doing his moral and Constitutional duty by being defeated in his primary. I a sure he knew it was coming, but its still … disheartening … to see people doing the things they swore to do on taking office being punished by voters for those things.Report

  2. Saul Degraw says:

    Schmidt is only better the better Eric by slight matters of degree. He still displayed plenty of antics which should be embarrassing in any civilized society.

    Kansas was a bit of good news last night but overall Trump backed fanatics and conspiracy theorists won the day and this can be very bad for the nation. Unless we get lucky and they all Aiken themselves.Report

  3. Jennifer Worrel says:

    As a native Kansan (and one who spent last night at my poll worker parents’ house in my childhood bedroom), I cannot describe the feeling.

    From the Kansas Constitution in 1859: “All political power is inherent in the people.”

    Witnessing democracy in action through a referendum on such a weighty issue is not something people experience often. Personally, I’m very grateful to have had the chance to witness such a thing.Report

  4. North says:

    Quite an incredible result in Kansas. I had, dimly, hoped for an abortion rights win but the margins dropped my jaw. I hope it snaps some heads around on the right.Report

    • Kazzy in reply to North says:

      I read somewhere there was insane turnout from unaffiliated voters, likely motivated by the amendment proposal.Report

      • InMD in reply to Kazzy says:

        I’m surprised but not that surprised. This is a situation where if you can pull the specific issue out of the party platforms the pro-choice position blows the actual alternative out of the water.

        We see this in other situations like the minimum wage referendum in Florida.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

          Yeah.

          Broadly and generally speaking, there were two kinds of anti-Roe positions:

          1. This should not have been decided at the federal level, this should have been left up to the states!
          2. Abortion is morally wrong!

          So when we put it up for a state-level referendum and a ban fails, there are going to be, broadly and generally speaking, two kinds of responses:

          1. This is all we wanted in the first place! Yay democracy!
          2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

          In any case, it looks like the dems are turning things around at the polling level and, instead of a “red wave”, there’s going to be either churn or, get this, a *BLUE* wave.Report

      • North in reply to Kazzy says:

        Yes, very interesting indeed though it remains to be seen if such voters will engage absent a literal referenda.Report

        • InMD in reply to North says:

          All the more reason to attempt referenda in those jurisdictions that allow for them.Report

          • Greg In Ak in reply to InMD says:

            One potential problem with referendum is dude’s like DeSantis just ignore them. The people feel like they got something over the months of slow rolling and out right sabotage what the people voted for ends up in the bin.Report

            • John Puccio in reply to Greg In Ak says:

              My favorite example is when NYC voters overwhelming voted for Mayoral term limits (2 terms) in 1993 and again 1996. But when Bloomberg wanted a third term he arm-twisted the City Council to extend the term limit another 4 years without issuing a referendum. Of course he won anyway.

              And predictably, when he left office the voters overwhelming voted for a 2-term limit in 2010.Report

              • Greg In Ak in reply to John Puccio says:

                Meh. Floridians voted to let felons regain their right to vote. Desantis and R’s said nope sorry citizens, to hell with that. At least one state with an R gov voted to legalize pot and the gov said nope sorry peeps.Report

              • John Puccio in reply to Greg In Ak says:

                Meh? I thought such an authoritarian move would move the needle for the OT lefties. I mean, you know, overturning democratic will to retain power and all.Report

              • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

                At least one state with an R gov voted to legalize pot and the gov said nope sorry peeps.

                That was Mississippi and its actually worse then that. We approved medical marijuana overwhelmingly. A small town white conservative mayor sued to have the referendum language thrown out. See, in Mississippi you had to have referendum signatures from an equal number of people in all the state’s congressional districts. The state Constitution says we have 5 congressional districts, while the Census has given us 4 districts for a couple of decades. So the State Supreme court tossed the win and the referendum law because 5 doesn’t equal 4.

                Now, interestingly, the Republican House Speaker (who looks to run for governor next year) then decided without public prodding to pass a state law essentially codifying the referendum language . . . .Report

              • CJColucci in reply to Philip H says:

                Hasn’t anybody tried to fix this yet? It should be simple.Report

              • Philip H in reply to CJColucci says:

                Nope. Because the state’s GOP power structure would have to acknowledge their ineptitude.Report

              • Philip H in reply to John Puccio says:

                I thought such an authoritarian move would move the needle for the OT lefties. I mean, you know, overturning democratic will to retain power and all.

                Bloomberg was and is many things – a lefty and/or a liberal has never been one of them. Few of us like or support him anyway, so the fact he pulled a DeSantis before that was a verb isn’t going to get a rise out of use – because that’s what we would have expected him to do.

                Us lefties do have trouble squaring the circle of the “party of small government” and the “Party of legitimate Americans” trying so hard to avoid implementing small government solutions that the “legitimate” Americans want implemented.Report

              • John Puccio in reply to Philip H says:

                Hey, if so-called Progressives don’t want to claim Mike Bloomberg, I’m afraid he is a billionaire without a country. I think RINOs would be insulted if he were called a RINO. He was a life long democrat – switched to ride Guiliani’s coattails (yes, they did exist) and promptly acted like a Dem as soon as he was in office.

                That said, I just find it funny that that the OT lefties habitually rage against “guys like [the current R boogeyman]” as if they are a unique brand of politician that only the “bad guys” produce. It reads ridiculous to anyone non-partisan.Report

              • Greg In Ak in reply to John Puccio says:

                Why do you think i would care that much about bloomers? To hell with him. And screw his move but that was less then what those R’s gov’s have done. At least bloomers got the people to vote for him. The R’s just told We The People to go get bent.Report

            • InMD in reply to Greg In Ak says:

              I don’t see that as an argument against using them as part of the strategy.Report

              • Greg In Ak in reply to InMD says:

                I’m for them. But if they are going to be ignored then they are just a way to pretend to listen. They need to mean something if we are to have them.Report

      • DavidTC in reply to Kazzy says:

        Also, and I can’t actually confirm this so sorry, no links, but that Kansas voters that registered after June 24th (The day Roe was overturned) tilted Democratic by 8 points.

        The state currently tilts Republican by 19 points. Seems, um,…things changed politically on June 24th.

        And yes, people aren’t mentioning it, but this was a closed primary, but a bunch of unaffiliated voters showed up anyway, which meant they could literally only vote on this one question.Report

        • DavidTC in reply to DavidTC says:

          Also, 70% of the voters that registered after June 24th were women.

          Over the same time period in 2020, the registrations were split 50/50, so this isn’t some normal thing.

          This data is coming from ‘Target Smart’ if anyone wants to track it down, I’m just seeing people tweet about it.Report

          • DavidTC in reply to DavidTC says:

            Republicans: Laboriously constructing a new third rail of politics and then urinating on it.Report

            • Chip Daniels in reply to DavidTC says:

              A lot of my fellow liberals are always talking about how the Republicans have always been like this, and maybe in some ways its true, but I don’t recall any time when the lunatic fringe was so out and proud and letting their freak flag fly.

              This Orange County city to consider banning abortions, becoming ‘sanctuary for life’

              The San Clemente City Council is set to consider a resolution in a couple of weeks that would declare the city a “sanctuary for life,” making it an abortion-free zone.

              The resolution, which was written and proposed by Councilman Steven Knoblock, states that the City Council “considers life to begin at conception” and stands against the establishment of Planned Parenthood health centers or any other clinics where abortions are performed.

              San Clemente Mayor Gene James, who seconded the motion of drafting the resolution at last month’s City Council meeting, said he was “appalled” and “embarrassed” while reading the resolution draft late last week.

              “It appears to me to be a document that could have been written by a Taliban tribunal, and I’ll say that as a conservative, pro-life Republican,” James said

              Sorry, Mr. Fronkensteen, but you knew the jar read “Abby Normal” when you put it in charge.Report

  5. Saul Degraw says:

    You have to go to the Bulwark to find writers willing to assist that Republicans have agency: https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/what-are-you-doing-to-protect-good

    “Meijer and his apologists are insisting that his own voters lack agency and that they would have made “the right choice” if only Democrats hadn’t told the voters who and what John Gibbs is.

    And like I said up top: We are not children. Raising Gibbs’s name ID probably did help the guy.1

    But at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that Democrats tricked Republican voters into choosing John Gibbs.

    The problem is that Republican voters want John Gibbs.

    And Peter Meijer can’t bring himself to say that.”Report