Ron DeSantis’ Florida, A Banana Republic

Philip H

Philip H is an oceanographer who makes his way in the world trying to use more autonomy to sample and thus understand the world's ocean. He's a proud federal scientist, husband, father, woodworker and modelrailroader. The son of a historian and public-school teacher and the nephew and grandson of preachers, he believes one of his greatest marks on the world will be the words he leaves behind. To that end he writes here at OT and blogs very occasionally at District of Columbia Dispatches. Philip's views are definitely his own, and in no way reflect the official or unofficial position of any agency he works for now or has worked for in his career. If you disagree, take it up with him, not Congress.

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  1. DrSloperWazRobbed
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    Amen, well said. My MAGA parents live in Florida and they adore DeSantis. They watch Tucks McGucks every night and believe everything Tucks says. These are relatively well-off and successful people; my parents. But they are rabid culture warriors, and maybe have gotten more so over the years. Desantis gives them what they want. And they are the demo that votes the most of course (over 65). GOP has got this in the bag. Incidentally, my mom is a nonwhite racial minority, albeit not black. I think many GOP voting non-black racial minorities simply do not care, or even think it is great if laws and districts are changed to benefit the GOP. This is a fact that it seems only the lily whitest progressives don’t seem to understand nationwide. Their notions/efforts/wishes that there is some coalition of non-whites who are gonna vote dem just cuz white supremacy-they are killing us (I’m center-left myself). People like Desantis take great advantage of this, and are going to keep doing so at this rate.Report

  2. Chip Daniels
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    Related:
    Air Force Offers Help To Military Families Hurt By States’ New Anti-LGBTQ Laws

    In an incredibly unusual move, the Air Force is making a point to let its hundreds of thousands of personnel know that it will provide families with medical and legal help if they are personally affected by new state laws attacking gay and transgender children.

    And if those service members feel they need to leave those states entirely, for the sake of their kids’ mental or physical health, the Air Force will help them to do that, too.

    Incredible, that we are witnessing a latter day Underground Railroad to help people escape repressive regimes such as Florida.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Chip Daniels
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      The Air Force has always been the most progressive of the Armed Services. Having wrestled through Don’t Ask Don’t tell, and with the continued integration of transgendered personnel in the ranks, this move shouldn’t be that surprising.Report

    • Andrew Donaldson in reply to Chip Daniels
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      One of these days I really need to write up the experience of implementing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, which I was in charge for my unit and part of the larger team for my duty assignment in my last assignment during my desk duty stint as my medical stuff worsened.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        There’s no better time then the present!Report

      • JS in reply to Andrew Donaldson
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        I occasionally run into younger folks whose context on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is….severely lacking.

        They became politically aware AFTER the DOMA bills started causing backlash, and to them “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is this severely regressive policy forcing gays into the closet — poke them hard enough and you find the assumption that being openly gay in the military was possible back then (as that is the status quo they grew up with) so their understanding is…interesting.

        Telling them “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” was a hugely progressive policy for it’s time, designed to prevent anti-gay witchhunts in the military, and that it was hard fought and quite unpopular because it was far too “pro-gay” for many people’s tastes is met with bafflement.

        Watching the inevitable progress towards abortion being banned in about 30 states, and the sudden massive spike in anti-gay and anti-trans laws, I suspect they’re gonna be baffled a while longer.Report

  3. Dark Matter
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    DeSantis is clearly doing what is good for his Presidential nomination chances as opposed to good for Florida. See also his anti-mask efforts and so on.

    After he gets the nod, if he does, expect a quick pivot to the center.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Dark Matter
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      Trump got elected without a nod to the center. I don’t expect a pivot if he gets the nod.Report

      • Dark Matter in reply to Philip H
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        Trump was weak and a bad politician (or even just “not a politician”), thus “never Trump”. His only saving grace was HRC ran a worse campaign and Trump is amazingly good at keeping the spotlight on himself.

        DeSantis has a history of being saner and working in other organizations not-as-the-top-guy (the military, the Florida political establishment).

        It’s a mistake to judge anyone by what Trump would do. The real question is whether or not Trump will run himself.Report

        • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter
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          This idea that Trump only lost to a “bad” candidate needs to die in a fire.

          The margin between Trump/ Clinton was scarcely different than Trump/Biden.
          And a number of polls have shown that if the election were to be held today, Trump could beat Biden, and any other politician in America.
          Polls should be taken with caution, but the conclusion is beyond doubt:

          Trump is popular.
          A lot of Americans love him, and want to vote for him and its entirely possible that he could beat any hypothetical challenger from either party.Report

          • Dark Matter in reply to Chip Daniels
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            Without the Pandemic Trump crushes any Dem. If the vaccination had come out a month earlier, then maybe.

            A sitting President who is presiding over full employment on steroids and great economic growth has to work very hard to disprove the idea that we shouldn’t vote our pocketbook.Report

            • Greg In Ak in reply to Dark Matter
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              Trump never has and never will win a majority of the popular vote so any victory is dependent on electoral college pinball. Full employment is going pretty strong now so i assume you will say Biden is a shoe in. Right?Report

            • Pinky in reply to Dark Matter
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              It may be my bias against him, but I never considered him a shoo-in in 2020. Remember, back then a good percentage of the population used to believe the mainstream media. It seemed like the campaign itself pre-covid was trying to avoid primaries, which isn’t a good sign.Report

      • Jesse in reply to Philip H
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        Trump did pivot to the center on Social Security & Medicare, and was seen as the more moderate candidate by voters in 2016, unfortunately. Plus, as a bonus, making immigration a high salience issue was a good move, because it turned out, while overall, his views on immigration were to the right of the country, they were right in the median of voters that matter – non-college educated voters in the Rust Belt.

        As David Shor is fond of pointing out, Obama won ~60% of voters who approved of the ACA, but wanted less immigration. Hillary got ~40% of those voters.

        It just turns out, unfortunately, most voters don’t care about democracy all that muchReport

    • Chip Daniels in reply to Dark Matter
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      Doesn’t “pivot to the center” mean “telling lies to gullible people”?

      I’m thinking of that Arendt quote about how in an authoritarian regime people will applaud their leaders for telling lies, as evidence of how clever they are.Report

  4. Oscar Gordon
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    Looks like TX wants to get in on the acts as well:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/04/13/texas-truck-abbott-mexico/Report

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