Reminder that the bulk of police abuse is non-violent

Oscar Gordon

A Navy Turbine Tech who learned to spin wrenches on old cars, Oscar has since been trained as an Engineer & Software Developer & now writes tools for other engineers. When not in his shop or at work, he can be found spending time with his family, gardening, hiking, kayaking, gaming, or whatever strikes his fancy & fits in the budget.

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14 Responses

  1. Chip Daniels says:

    This is of a piece with the struggles and pushback that even the most modest police and carceral reforms get.

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  2. InMD says:

    I’ve made the comment before that treating the issue as being primarily about unarmed people killed by the police, outrageous as many of those incidents are, can be fundamentally misleading about what’s really going on.Report

  3. Philip H says:

    I’d be interested in a discussion on how QI applies to this, because frankly I see one of the big holes in QI reform as not really addressing this sort of thing.Report

    • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

      Arguments for cops to wear body cams don’t address it either.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

        Nope because cops are still doing it with their cameras on. Or doing after turning their cameras off.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to Philip H says:

          Oscar wrote a lovely little essay a year and a half ago called “Altering the Police Paradigm“.

          At the bottom of his essay, he has a list of additional suggestions. Six things. I think that one of the things we hammered out in the days and essays that followed was that “Reform Asset Forfeiture” was on there too.

          There is a long list of things that need to be done to reform the police. None of them are a magic bullet. Many of them will have no impact on the other things that also need to be done.

          It sucks.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

            There is a long list of things that need to be done to reform the police. None of them are a magic bullet. Many of them will have no impact on the other things that also need to be done.

            Seems to me that means we need to start over with a new approach, not keep looking for band-aids for the current one.Report

    • JS in reply to Philip H says:

      As best I understand it, QI applies as follows:

      “We’ve ruled that seizing 43,000 dollars from a 34 year old man is outside of the scope of the officer’s legal abilities. as he didn’t know that, he’s not in any trouble.”

      followed immediately by:

      “How was he to know that seizing 43,000 dollars from a 35- year old man is outside the scope of his duties? Well, the Courts have told him off, so he won’t do THAT again.”

      and then:

      “How was he to know seizing 43,001 dollars from a 34 year old man was outside the scope of his duties?Once again, we thank the Court for it’s explanation but sadly the officer was acting to the best of his knowledge and understanding of the law, and is again thus immune…”

      The amount of exaggeration in the above is far, far, FAR less than anyone wants to believe.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Philip H says:

      QI doesn’t. Everything they are doing is legal-ish, and by that I mean, a judge might very well dismiss the tickets/charges, but they won’t do anything more than that, so even if it’s not legal, as evidenced by the dismissal, it’s allowed.

      Every once in a great while, you’ll hear about a town having it’s police &/or government dissolve because the state FINALLY starts taking a hard look at it, usually after the media writes a blistering article, or they manage to nail someone with friends in high places, but it shouldn’t take that.

      But because PDs and local courts are treated as practically sovereign, county or state governments rarely demands stats which would easily expose such places with a simple SQL query.

      So short of making sure fines and forfeitures always go anywhere but police or court budgets, this will remain an issue.Report

  4. InMD says:

    Is the headline image on this post shuffling through different pictures for everyone else? It’s kind of amusing to watch it go from religious to fine art to sci fi but I assume it is not intentional.Report

  5. Brandon Berg says:

    A lot of people are reasoning from consequences to culpability. If someone dies, the killer must have done something really bad.

    But that’s not valid reasoning. A cop who plants evidence or punches a restrained suspect just because he can is much more culpable than one who mistakes a handgun for a taser, yet we have people crying out for the blood of the latter while ignoring the former.Report