Ahmaud Arbery Trial Verdicts: Guilty

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website Yonder and Home. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast.

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  1. Jaybird
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    A breakdown of the charges.

    I wonder how much difference there will be between the three when it comes to sentencing.Report

  2. Saul Degraw
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    Sometimes the arc of the universe is long but does bend towards justice.Report

  3. Jaybird
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    Ooooh, what’s really interesting is that the former prosecutor has now been charged with misconduct!

    Let’s see more of this.Report

    • Slade the Leveller in reply to Jaybird
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      Absolutely.Report

    • Mike Schilling in reply to Jaybird
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      Jail records show she was released on her own recognizance, meaning she did not have to pay a cash bond.

      More unwarranted leniency.Report

    • Koz in reply to Jaybird
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      I was surprised not to hear more about this, especially as rare as it is.

      I looked at the indictment, it seems really weak to me. It’s ~3 paragraphs long, basically says the woman prosecutor violated her oath of office by not prosecuting this case, and some circumstantial details of who to and when she recused the case. Also that she told the police not to arrest the suspects, which if she doesn’t intend to prosecute them seems legit to me. I was hoping some of the lawyers would say more about it.

      As a generality, I think prosecutors should get way more heat than they do but my inclination is to think this is way overdone. Not that it’s the only variable in the equation, but it’s at least a little disappointing to me that only case like this I’ve ever heard of is about a prosecutor declining to prosecute. For me, there’s way more misconduct in prosecutors over-prosecuting.Report

    • Kazzy in reply to Jaybird
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      This is good to hear. I’m getting hazy on the details but if I recall there was lots of “cover up” initially involving the DA’s office and police I believe? Only after video surfaced was there any action taken. Hopefully those folks who tried to cover it up are next in line for accountability.Report

  4. Aaron David
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    Good.Report

  5. Oscar Gordon
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    The conviction is satisfying. I’m hoping it doesn’t find a successful appeal.Report

  6. Chip Daniels
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    Its instructive to think of how, without the murderers videoing themselves, this murder would be invisible, just listed as “robbery suspect shot dead” or something.

    That the entire machinery of the justice system- the cops, the prosecutor- wanted to shield the murderers should give anyone pause who blithely dismisses claims of structural racism.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Chip Daniels
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      Thankfully, the three men were so certain of their righteousness that they filmed the whole thing and made it available to authorities. The next people to do a lynching probably won’t make that mistake.Report

      • Chip Daniels in reply to Oscar Gordon
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        The word I’m thinking of is “impunity”.

        In their world, a white man can become judge, jury, and executioner of a black man and walk away with impunity.

        Where would these men get such an idea?

        Maybe they got it from the fact that the entire machinery of the justice system agreed with them.Report

        • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels
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          The American judicial system demonstrates its racism by…white men being found guilty for killing a black man…wait, I can do this…because – Oh, I got it! They thought they could! That’s it!Report

          • Ken S in reply to Pinky
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            Missing the point, of course, most likely deliberately. Not because they thought they could — but because they had good reason to think they could.Report

            • CJColucci in reply to Ken S
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              And almost did. It’s certainly encouraging that once it got into a courtroom, with a competent, unconflicted prosecutor, a jury — cynically selected for cynical reasons — did the right thing against the defense’s expectations. But it took too many lucky breaks to make that possible. Sort of like George Floyd’s case.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to CJColucci
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                I wonder what we would find if we dived deep into all the other cases of black men who were killed in “robberies gone wrong”.

                Or took a good long look at all the other cases that these cops and prosecutor never bothered to bring to trial.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels
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                The American judicial system found two white men guilty of killing a black man…but they’re racist, so…there must be dead black men that they’re not investigating?Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky
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                Yes, we know that the prosecutor deliberately tried to thwart justice, so its reasonable to assume she did this other times as well.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels
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                Three self-defense cases this week. The white-on-white was found not guilty, the black-against-cops was found not guilty, and the white-on-black was found guilty. The last two were in the South. It’s ok if you say “things are better than I thought they were”. If you can’t say that now, and you still build your arguments on anecdotes (just other anecdotes), then you’ll probably never say it.

                Also, it’s Thanksgiving.Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to Pinky
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                Yes, we shouldn’t build our arguments on anecdotes and headline making cases, but instead we should look at patterns which never make the media.

                Like a prosecutor who would still be on the job, were it not for a video that happened to go viral. I wonder how many guilty people she let walk, or how many innocent people she prosecuted.Report

              • Pinky in reply to Chip Daniels
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                That’s an anecdote.

                Today is Thanksgiving. We should all be grateful that the country is a little more like I thought it was a week ago than like you did.Report

              • InMD in reply to Chip Daniels
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                I would suggest considering that in matters like this the issue of government (lack of) accountability is a much bigger player than race. It was only 2 weeks ago that the commentary was full of hand wringing over the fact that 11 of the 12 jurors were white.Report

              • Brandon Berg in reply to InMD
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                I would also like to stress that any one of those eleven white jurors could have prevented a conviction. In a trial held in Georgia, the defense couldn’t get one juror out of eleven willing to vote to acquit on the grounds that the defendants are white and the victim was black.

                Granted, this is not the highest bar. But it does suggest that even Georgia is less racist than many would have us believe that the country as a whole is. Certainly those who said that the Rittenhouse acquittal was a product of white supremacy look even more ridiculous now than they did a week ago.Report

            • Pinky in reply to Ken S
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              The point is ridiculous, so I was ridiculing it.Report

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