Why The Senate’s Current Dynamic Duo Might Not Be So Dynamic

Adam Bass

Adam Bass is an aspiring reporter and broadcaster from Massachusetts. He graduated from Wheaton College in Norton MA. Bass was general manager, and head of the political news coverage department of WCCS Wheaton College, where he did extensive coverage of the Massachusetts Senate Primary Race and The Massachusetts 4th congressional district primary race, as well as reporting on other National and local news. He now works as an intern for Newton News at NewTV where he has covered the 2021 municipal elections, hosts and produces The Cod Cabin where he and three of his colleagues podcast about Massachusetts politics and news, and has been working part time at WCRN 830 AM in Worcester Mass.

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  1. Brandon Berg says:

    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont said as much, saying on Twitter: “2 senators cannot be allowed to defeat what 48 senators and 210 House members want.

    Not the point of the post, I know, but even relative to the low, low bar which Sanders has set by his past behavior, this is a breathtakingly stupid talking point. There are in fact 52 Senators who are blocking what 48 Senators want. This isn’t even a filibuster situation. He’s complaining that he can’t pass a law without a simple majority.Report

  2. Motoconomist says:

    I think I wrote about this once on here, but Manchin is absolutely a stand in at time for many other Senators. He acts as a lightning rod and gives cover.Report

    • KenB in reply to Motoconomist says:

      I was wondering about this — I figure there must be Dem senators who aren’t thrilled with the bill but who can’t safely oppose it, so maybe that’s why it’s been so hard to convince two senators. Anyone who’s up for reelection in 2022 who’s not in a solid blue state has to at least be nervous about voting for it.Report

  3. Jesse says:

    As a liberal Democrat, Manchin is fine. Yes, he’s annoying and has some dumb ideas about means testing, but he actually wants to get something done. Sinema’s more proof why you never elect anybody who thought the Green Party was a good idea.Report

    • North in reply to Jesse says:

      Agreed. I may not love what Manchin is up to but it’s understandable and, one could argue, not out of alignment with his ruby red state. Sinema appears to be either entirely bought or entirely deranged. In four years she’s also eminently replaceable.Report

    • InMD in reply to Jesse says:

      The best way to look at is WAR for the state. Machin’s WAR is through the roof because his only plausible replacement is a Republican. Sinema’s WAR on the other hand is negative.Report

      • InMD in reply to InMD says:

        And of course I see North beat me to it!Report

      • PD Shaw in reply to InMD says:

        WAR, what is it good for? AZ has a +3 R PVI. Sinema won the state with 49.96% of the vote. I admit a big difference w/ Manchin, but the most probable successful primary challenge is the Democrats losing the seat with someone too far to the left of the state. This is the kind of strategy that Daily Kos tried to stir up to poor results.Report

        • Saul Degraw in reply to PD Shaw says:

          Kelly won the same percentage point spread against McSally. Why can he be a bog standard Democrat and Sinema cannot?Report

          • How does DiFi keep winning in California despite being one of the 10 most conservative Dems in the Senate?

            The good news is that AZ voters continue to move left, as measured by my standard of what initiatives are being passed over the objections of the state’s Republican Party. Higher minimum wage. Paid sick time off. Recreational marijuana.

            The bad news, at least if one believes the commentariat at LG&M, is that time’s run out and the Republicans have won forever.Report

          • PD Shaw in reply to Saul Degraw says:

            Maybe Ds will get lucky and they will get to run against McSally again.Report

        • North in reply to PD Shaw says:

          Disagree. You don’t need a left wing challenger to whup Sinema. If the reconciliation bill goes down over her antics she can be challenged from the middle or center left over party/voter loyalty grounds and not lose an inch of ground in the general. If the infrastructure bill fails as well; she will be the easiest Senator to primary in the country.Report

          • PD Shaw in reply to North says:

            Need? She will be challenged regardless. The person the national media is looking towards and where the money is probably already flowing is Rep. Ruben Gallego, who represents a +24 D district. He is not a replacement level Democrat, he’s a Democrat who can beat Democrats in Democratic districts.Report

            • InMD in reply to PD Shaw says:

              If they succesfully primary her with someone who can’t win state wide then yes, that would be pointless. They should obviously try hard not to do that. But seeing as how these omnibus bills are the only things on the table as far as accomplishments go, and assuming Manchin can be placated, what’s the justification for defending her if she scuttles the whole thing? You try to replace her with someone who will at least advance the agenda but if you fail it’s not much of a loss since you couldn’t do anything with her anyway.Report

            • North in reply to PD Shaw says:

              2024 is far off so there’s no telling for sure who it’ll be. The big danger is that there’s a vast host of challengers and they cannibalize each other letting Sinema slither through with incumbents advantage.

              That said, even if we’re looking at a worst case scenario and Sinema gets primaried out by a lefty and the Senate seat is put in jeopardy I am feeling like it might be a necessary evil. Like IMDB said if Sinema keeps up this loon (or crook) act and keeps torpedoing stuff for the lulz then we might be better off with her severed head serving as a warning for other wannabe loons (or crooks).Report

              • Chip Daniels in reply to North says:

                Aren’t we forgetting that in 2018, Kyrsten Sinema was the leftiest lefty who ever leftied?
                Former Green Party, bisexual, in favor of progressive taxation, and all that.

                And yet, she won statewide.

                If the 2018 version of Kyrsten SInema shows up to primary 2024 Kyrsten Sinema, the Before Times Kyrsten will kick ass.Report

              • North in reply to Chip Daniels says:

                Not at all, I’m just observing that even in the worst case scenario, granting all possible doom saying, making an example of Sinema may be worth it even then.

                I don’t think we’re anywhere near that worst case scenario. I agree that Sinema is way out over her skiis vs the way she campaigned and was elected and I agree that you could unseat her with a bog standard Az Democrat campaigning against her on party and voter loyalty issues.

                If primarying Sinema put the seat in severe risk I think it’d be painful but worth it. Under current conditions I think it’s a fishing slam dunk that she needs to be primaried and removed. Her only hope is to pull her head out of her posterior and get with the program or at minimum get publicly fishing specific about what she actually wants.Report

  4. Saul Degraw says:

    Moderate needs to be stricken as a political descriptor as being void for vagueness and overboard. There is nothing moderate about Sinema’s ideological positions or her actions. She is now actively opposing things she campaigned on in 2018 and refuses to state what she wants in terms of negotiation except maybe to be the center of attention. Manchin is just a conservative relic from a different time.Report