Jeopardy! And What Is Actually Not So Important?

Burt Likko

Pseudonymous Portlander. Pursuer of happiness. Bon vivant. Homebrewer. Atheist. Recovering Republican. Recovering Catholic. Recovering divorcé. Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of Ordinary Times. Relapsed Lawyer, admitted to practice law (under his real name) in California and Oregon. There's a Twitter account at @burtlikko, but not used for posting on the general feed anymore. House Likko's Words: Scite Verum. Colite Iusticia. Vivere Con Gaudium.

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32 Responses

  1. InMD says:

    I wouldn’t say James H ruined the show for me exactly but I’ve found it difficult to watch since his run. Something about the way he gamed it with that pro gambler’s instinct made it so much more intense. Even those who have tried to imitate his strategy since haven’t been as entertaining (probably because they aren’t as good) and the old school approach just pales in comparison.

    Anyway my guy on the internet opinion is that NBC botched this from the start with all the guest hosts. The obvious heir apparent was and always has been Jennings. This contest approach only ensured controversy and widespread dissatisfaction. They tried to fudge it to make everyone happy which naturally ensured that no one will be.Report

    • DensityDuck in reply to InMD says:

      Jennings was never going to work because there are too many weirdoes who get their rocks off by yelling about him on the internet.

      Problem is, what we’re seeing is that anyone will have weirdoes who get their rocks off by yelling about them on the internet.

      People have dug up an eleven-year-old article where Mayim Bialik is quoted as discussing someone else’s opinion and this is considered horrible enough to declare that she shouldn’t be involved with the show.

      (although I’m sure the fact that she’s a JOO and unrepentantly supportive of the Israeli government has nothing to do with it, no no, certainly no antisemitism here)Report

      • InMD in reply to DensityDuck says:

        When did we as a culture just decide that weirdos getting their rocks off yelling about x on the internet get a veto over anything? The sooner people start ignoring it and doing what they want anyway the sooner it stops. The only power they have is that which they are granted by actual decision makers.Report

        • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

          Don Lazlo was fired from his job on a particular project after his employer got a letter complaining about the project.

          “One letter represents X thousand people!” was the formula and that one letter resulted in a lot of dominoes falling.

          Then he started writing The Lazlo Letters.

          So this isn’t *EXACTLY* new.Report

          • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

            Oh I get it isn’t new. But it definitely speaks to just how sad and cowardly consumer-based society is.Report

            • KenB in reply to InMD says:

              Relatedly, I liked this metaphor from John McWhorter’s column yesterday on the U of Wisconsin racist rock issue:

              The true fault here lies with the school’s administration, whose deer tails popped up as they bolted into the forest, out of a fear of going against the commandments of what we today call antiracism

              Report

        • Mike Schilling in reply to InMD says:

          On November 8, 2016.Report

        • DensityDuck in reply to InMD says:

          “When did we as a culture just decide that weirdos getting their rocks off yelling about x on the internet get a veto over anything? ”

          Do you think it’s important to show racists that the Internet is not a safe space for their racism?Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to InMD says:

      The writers generally try and write the questions in ascending order of difficulty, and sometimes build a theme into the questions assuming players will,as they are encouraged to do behind the scenes, tackle the questions in ascending order. That can be important when the category involves wordplay, to use an easy puzzle first before getting to the really confusing ones.

      Holzhauer disregarded that and jumped all over the board,often going for the higher value questions first. His general objective seemed to be to build up a commanding lead over the other players early on. Trebek said that he found Holzhauer’s technique within the rules but “annoying.” Nevertheless some players have since tried to adopt this strategy, with varying levels of success. The producers could change the rules to stop this, and surely have contemplated it, but so far they’ve chosen not to.Report

      • InMD in reply to Burt Likko says:

        My understanding is that he was trying to hit the daily doubles. IIRC those were the keys to the insurmountable leads, both because he would usually win them with very high wagers but also because by virtue of selecting them he took home run opportunities away from his opponents.Report

  2. Saul Degraw says:

    TIL I learned that Pinochet’s Junta banned Fiddler on the Roof for clear Marxist tendencies.

    In a world of fractured culture and what a lot of people see as an increasingly dumbed down society, I think a lot of people saw the show as a bulwark for quiet erudition. It seemed like a game show that rewarded actual knowledge. Of course like a lot of network TV, it was mainly watched by the over 55 set.

    There are some other tendencies at play. One is the Interrnet’s insatiable appetite for nostalgia and Reading Rainbow feeds into this especially with the fact that people like to sugar-coat intelligence with the cutesy-bootsy*. The other part is that the executive producer bullying himself into the hosting position feels like a microcosm of today’s stories of income and job inequality where candidates who audition for the role by showing hard work are cast aside by the guy with inside connections who might be lacking. The sexual harassment lawsuits were a chef’s kiss.

    *One of my pet peeves is that everything needs to be described as geeky or nerdy these days. I think it is done in an attempt to make things less intimidating and possibly more relevant but I think it defangs things. No one is merely into the classics, dance, theatre, music, whatever. It is “I am a classics geek, a dance nerd, etc.” In a way I find it anti-intellectual.Report

    • Burt Likko in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      Saul, I suspect that somewhere in that comment you were going to argue that a quiz show like Jeopardy! rewards something other than “actual knowledge.” I’m interested in a) whether that is something you think but chose to leave aside for the other points you more fully articulated, and b) why you think the trivia quiz doesn’t reach “actual knowledge,” whatever that is. A worthwhile topic to explore if I’m going to be defending the cultural value of a quiz show, after all.Report

      • At some point in my life I had to write an essay about “jobs you want if you can’t stay in your current field.” I picked being a writer for Jeopardy! even though I know nothing about it.Report

      • Saul Degraw in reply to Burt Likko says:

        I think Jeopardy does reward actual knowledge! Most other game shows do not. The questions on Jeopardy! do reflect a need to study, read, learn, and engage in the world. I’m a casual fan of the show.Report

  3. Oscar Gordon says:

    If nothing else, the final jeopardy jingle will persist in our collective consciousness until the heat death of the universe.Report

  4. Kazzy says:

    I appreciate the irony of Bill Simmons’ website taking Richards down for offensive comments.Report

  5. Jaybird says:

    I think that Richards deciding that Richards was the best man for the job is a good indicator that Richards has reached a level where he’s not used to someone telling him “that’s an awful idea”.

    Which is a bad place to be.

    He’s surrounded by people that he doesn’t respect enough to listen to or he’s fired everyone who doesn’t agree with him.Report

    • Kazzy in reply to Burt Likko says:

      Was Burton good in his hosting stint?Report

      • JS in reply to Kazzy says:

        I hear he was unsteady, but he was also the only one that did all his shows in a single day. Everyone else had theirs spread out, and was able to sort of take some time to sort out mistakes.

        Whole thing really does read like the executive producer went “Oh, I want this job” and…made it happen.Report

    • Saul Degraw in reply to Burt Likko says:

      Lavar Burton seems like a favorite for the under-45 crowd which does not regularly watch Jepoardy according to the ratings. I’m sure he would be a good host but a bit of the campaign felt like internet nostalgia mania.Report

      • This is fair, and as one of those (barely) under-45 who wanted to see him get a chance he did not perform as well as I had hoped. To be fair he got shorted a bit compared to other guests hosts and sitting opposite the olympics, but still he took a few shows to get into the groove of it. Potential there, absolutley, but not the slam dunk online made it to beReport

      • Alan Scott in reply to Saul Degraw says:

        That “under-45 crowd” hits home.

        I would love LeVar on the show, but I don’t watch the show. I don’t have cable-and it’s not available on the streaming services I subscribe to. Jeopardy was helped to become an institution because of the way our country once watched television-the whole family gathered around to watch the show for half an hour before dinner.

        That’s not how we consume television any more. I find myself binging other shows to satisfy my trivia urges–Shout out to the British game show Only Connect–but I’m not subscribing to cable (or paying a similar amount of money for something like Hulu plus Live) just so I can watch JeopardyReport

  6. Slade the Leveller says:

    I think what most people forget is that Alex Trebek was a professional game show host, with Jeopardy being his longest running gig. He had already proven to producers that he could be an affable host to the players while still being able to control the flow of the show.

    Nowadays, game shows have pretty much disappeared except for Jeopardy and The Price Is Right. There is no bench of proven talent from which to draw. I think the producers of Jeopardy are going to have to suffer through some host growing pains, letting whoever replaces Trebek grow into the role. If that person succeeds, Trebek will be a fond memory after a while, not the insurmountable peak that he is now. After all, the play is the thing.Report

  7. Brandon Berg says:

    Stop! Just stop! You had me at “Internet pariah.”Report