Wednesday Writs: The Court Don’t Care About Your Feelings Edition

Em Carpenter

Em was one of those argumentative children who was sarcastically encouraged to become a lawyer, so she did. She is a proud life-long West Virginian, and, paradoxically, a liberal. In addition to writing about society, politics and culture, she enjoys cooking, podcasts, reading, and pretending to be a runner. She will correct your grammar. You can find her on Twitter.

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  1. Oscar Gordon says:

    WW1: Remember kids, your life is not yours to take, only the state may callously end your life.Report

  2. Dark Matter says:

    [WW5] There is a serious disconnect between “I’m all better and want my life back” and “I really REALLY don’t want to be evaluated”. It’s been years and she has unlimited amounts of money. She can’t find a friendly evaluator or six?

    [WW4] The legal system works a lot slower than mass media. I wouldn’t be shocked if some of these many million dollar “you’re a lying scumbag” lawsuits are successful.

    [WW1] Sounds like we need bodycams for prison guards.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Dark Matter says:

      WW5: Note she is not in control of her money, so finding a friendly evaluator may not be a simple thing.Report

      • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        IIRC, what she was asking for in Court (before learning she could personally ask to END the conservatorship) was moving control to a professional conservator. (Which I didn’t even know was a thing).

        One had already rather recently taken control of the financial side of her conservatorship, but I think she was asking to finish removing her dad entirely — so that someone who isn’t her dad is in charge of, for instance, her decisions to have kids.

        Or picking a therapist willing to travel to her, so she doesn’t have to face paparazzi to talk about her issues.

        I will say it’s pretty clear her dad, her current lawyer (10k a WEEK, Jesus) have picked her dry. They’re claiming her net worth is about 60 million. Conservatively, her net worth should be three or four times that.

        She’s certainly not spending it (she’s got an allowance of about 50k a year). So where did the bulk of her earnings go? I mean at least several million to the lawyer (10k a WEEK for years, WTF. Someone’s lying on their billing, for damn sure) but there’s at least 100m missing.Report

        • Oscar Gordon in reply to JS says:

          How much you want to bet that as soon as she is out from under her dad, she files suit against him & her lawyer?Report

          • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

            I would, assuming she can ever get out.

            Actually, scratch that. If possible, I’d appoint professional conservators and have THEM do an audit of the entire conservatorship. Trace every penny, in and out.

            Then have THEM sue as necessary. Or, if only morally criminal and not legally criminal, publish the results to shame them at least.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to JS says:

          Wasn’t she broke at the start of her conservatorship?

          I’m on both sides of this one. It does seem like she’s been used as an perm income source for the other people involved on this. She was also a mess 13 years ago and I lack the SME to know how unusual this arrangement is nor do I know what she’s like when not in front of the camera.Report

          • JS in reply to Dark Matter says:

            per this(https://moneynation.com/britney-spears-net-worth-the-350-million-blowout/) It only goes to 2016, but good enough for jazz.

            She peaked at 84m in 2004, dipped down to 42m in 2008, was back up to 70m in 2009 (so a lot of that dip had to be market related).

            She’s bounced between 60 and 70m since 2009. The entire time she’s been under conservatorship, not allowed to spend her own money, her net worth has stagnated.

            Worth noting: The article tries to speculate where 290m in missing money went, and immediately discounted the conservatorship and kinda went “Dunno, maybe she spent it all?”

            But as we just found out, she wasn’t ALLOWED to make any spending decisions, Wherever that 290m went, it pretty much wasn’t her.

            Especially since from 2007ish-on, she made that Vegas deal, had multiple albums, etc — that was a hundred million or so in earnings totally UNDER the conservatorship that just…vanished.Report

          • DavidTC in reply to Dark Matter says:

            She was also a mess 13 years ago and I lack the SME to know how unusual this arrangement is nor do I know what she’s like when not in front of the camera.

            It’s worth pointing out that the conservatorship was created because of an assertion she has _dementia_. An assertion made in 2008.

            She is literally writing new songs and creating new dances and going on tour and cannot possibly have ‘dementia’ in any medical sense. Also she was 25, so…not dementia. I mean, I am aware there is such a thing as early-onset dementia, but not at _25_! (Except as some sort of pretty serious medical issue that is not going to let you live another 12 years and keep functioning!)

            It does seem likely she has moderate ‘wet brain’, (She’s a bit rambly when talking.) which is not something that gets worse if you don’t keep drinking (Which she doesn’t) and isn’t anywhere near the level of impairment that is required to put someone under a conservatorship. We had a _president_ with wet brain!Report

  3. Michael Cain says:

    Tangential to WW4… I’m looking forward to the July 6 hearing in Michigan where the federal judge ordered all the lawyers whose names appeared on the “Kraken” filings to appear in court, and to bring their law licenses.Report

    • PD Shaw in reply to Michael Cain says:

      Were they really instructed to bring their law licenses, or is that a euphemism? Federal courts don’t have authority over state law licenses and they already know the license numbers from the pleadings.

      Looking at the docket sheet, the hearing is going to be held be videoconference, which would be amenable to allowing other judges in the District to observe and offer input on whether the attorneys should be barred from practicing in the District. The State is asking for reimbursement of $11,071.00 (a total of about 29 hours of time between two lawyers), which suggests there were not a lot of costs associated with frivolous litigation, but also that the amount is modest enough that the judge might award it.Report

  4. CJColucci says:

    WW3: As a government lawyer myself, I appreciate the courtesy. Most judges seem to know when you’re simply doing your job with an unwinnable case — which we usually know as well as the judge — and a stubborn client and don’t pile on.Report

  5. Nor does it care about facts, e.g. the number of states eager to suppress votes as soon at the VRA no longer stopped them.Report

  6. Susara Blommetjie says:

    WW6: It has been a long time since I’ve had reason to be proud of my country. Not many countries have had the guts to sentence their previous heads of state to prison (outside of obvious political revenge, of course)

    What would be cathartic is to actually see him in prison. If then only for one day before he’s out for health reasons or something. If then only for contempt of court and not for the main case against him which is of course corruption. But 5 (by now, 4) days is still a long time… perhaps he’s already in Dubai or eSwatiniReport