Inflation Concerns Rising With Goods and Services Prices

Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his food writing website Yonder and Home. Andrew is the host of Heard Tell podcast. Subscribe to Andrew's Heard Tell SubStack for free here:

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  1. Oscar Gordon says:

    When it comes to employment, I think the work-childcare dynamic will be one of the toughest to resolve itself. How many grandparents or great aunts/uncles who were providing childcare did we lose? How many childcare centers were closed permanently? Will we need to relax some of the care provider rules/regs for a bit until things get rolling again?Report

  2. Jaybird says:

    Ahem. “Consumer electronics are cheaper.”Report

  3. Pinky says:

    The stored-up demand for goods reminds me more of the immediate post-WWII era.

    Actually, I’ve been thinking about that era a lot lately. The coronavirus experience is the first common (in the sense of “universal”) thing that’s happened to us since 1945. Just like then, the experience was very different based on the person or the area, but there really hasn’t been anything since then that affected everyone at once. The fall of the Soviet Union was more a regional thing; computerization has been more gradual. This is more like a huge snowstorm, where if you ask anyone what’s new they’ll tell you a story related to the snowstorm. But anyone worldwide. There might not be any other events in human nistory that fit into that category.Report

    • North in reply to Pinky says:

      I think you’re correct; it really is a very unique historic event. I was speaking to my Mum the other night (she’s 69 now) and she absently commented that she’d never, in her life, experienced anything like the Covid shut down. It was a special moment for me because she’s often referencing events in her past as similar to current events.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to North says:

        Going through a genuine infectious disease pandemic was one of the things I least expected to live through.Report

      • JS in reply to North says:

        The last time was 1918ish, and it was pretty much like this.

        Including anti-maskers, riots, and generalized stupidity.

        Only they didn’t get a vaccine and their health care structure wasn’t as great, so a lot more people died.

        We lost what, a million or so in a year from a population of 300 million? They lost millions more in a smaller population.Report

    • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

      It’s a good broad analogy.

      Care to share lessons form that era that you think are applicable today?Report

  4. North says:

    It’s going to be very fascinating to watch it all unwind and see how it turns out. After the Great Recession fiasco inflation hawks have basically zero credibility what so ever. If I were on Biden’s cabinet I’d definitely be advocating for a couple things:
    -Schools should be reopening. Period. No more cuddling the unions. The vaccines are widely available- every teacher should be immunized by now so we’re at a “get back to work at the school or tender your resignation” stage. No teachers life is going to be endangered by teaching in person unless they’re refusing vaccination and, frankly, no sympathy for that excuse what so ever.
    -Hands off the Fed. If inflation does actually start popping up a little amount of it could be salutary but eventually interest rates are going to have to go up to address it. Biden should keep his hands and dialogue as far away from even the appearance of trying to meddle in that decision as possible. If the Fed hikes interest rates then grit your teeth and trumpet it as a sign of economic recovery.

    As far as I’ve seen that’s generally the direction Biden has been going so far, so good.Report

    • JS in reply to North says:

      They’ve been warning about inflation for 40 years, with breaks only when the GOP controlled both Congress and the Presidency.

      If they’re right, it’s purely coincidental. And certainly not the way to bet.Report

  5. Philip H says:

    Schools should be reopening

    https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-03-24/biden-to-educators-its-time-to-open-the-schools

    Hands off the Fed

    I’d be hard pressed to think Mr. Biden could successfully tell Jerome Powell what to do, especially since Powell was one of many of the folks Trump appointed and then threatened repeatedly to fire for not doing what Trump wanted.Report

    • North in reply to Philip H says:

      Absolutely, like I said I think Biden is following this course. With regards to the Fed the absolute worst thing Biden could do is get caught trying to tell them what to do and failing. The second worst thing he could be seen doing is trying to tell them what to do and succeeding. The way to win that game is to not play. Reserve Chairman Powell may have been a Trump appointee but he’s, so far, been a rock solid Chairman and I see absolutely no reason for a self interested politician to want to meddle in the Feds business currently.Report

      • InMD in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        The teachers unions must be run by some of the dumbest people alive. They’ve spent decades neutering school choice in most of the country and instead of using discretion they’ve spent the last year publicly discrediting themselves in a way I don’t think I’ve ever seen.Report

        • Kazzy in reply to InMD says:

          Disclaimer: I’m a teacher but I’ve never been in a union, largely owing to working in private schools my whole career.

          I think on some level teachers unions bank on the relationships most folks have with teachers. Whether it is your kid’s teacher or the friend or family member you almost inevitably have who is a teacher or whose partner is a teacher, I think they rely on most of us thinking, “Well, yea, I like the teachers I know. I know they work hard and they care about the kids and I could never do that job and they don’t get paid well,” to overwhelm whatever negative energy the unions themselves may generate. Hell, most folks are pretty oblivious to what goes into the negotiations between unions and schools or what the union gets up to behind the scenes (which, it is important to note, is certainly not all bad).

          I think the pandemic has brought teachers unions to the forefront in a way they weren’t prepared for and are not used to. And they haven’t adjusted their tactics.

          In our town, there was a plan to bring kids back five days a week. At the BOE meeting immediately preceding this change, the union leader spoke and asked for a two week delay. In normal times, about 7 people would have known he did that. This year? Hundreds of us did. He didn’t get what he wanted but it was another moment for parents — who are often teachers’ biggest backers — to shake our fist at the unions. There were some calls of, “The union is the problem, not the teachers,” but I think that is wearing thin for some people.

          So, yea, there may well be a reckoning for teachers unions and, as a result, teachers as a result of the past year.

          I don’t think it is that they are stupid. Did their position on school choice change how people felt about them? I doubt it because, as I said above, they could stake that position, most folks didn’t know about it, and teachers remained a sympathetic group.

          But now? That ain’t the ballgame right now.

          I saw that report last week and I was outraged. I haven’t yet seen it filter through the different parent groups I’m a part of now make big headlines. Yet. We’ll see. If it does, it could bring a bigger and quicker reckoning.Report

          • Damon in reply to Kazzy says:

            My teacher friend, who works in a big eastern city, constantly bitches that it’s not the teachers that are the problem, it’s the administrators that are. From their inability to actually increase someone’s pay as scheduled and per contract, sometimes taking MONTHS to get it right, to scheduling union in person votes while teachers are working, to not wanting to open in person schooling up. No idea if this is true, but she hates the administrators with a passion.Report

          • InMD in reply to Kazzy says:

            Did their position on school choice change how people felt about them? I doubt it because, as I said above, they could stake that position, most folks didn’t know about it, and teachers remained a sympathetic group.

            This is exactly the point I’m trying to get at. I’ve always been skeptical of ‘school choice’ where it’s advertised as a solution for poor districts but in practice is what I believe I’ve seen you describe as a ‘shell game.’ Namely all the kids who were probably going to succeed against the odds anyway are removed to ‘successful’ charters and the rest are left to the status quo or worse. And to your other point, I sympathized with teachers who I thought mostly did their best under very tough circumstances largely outside of their control.

            But this? It’s really an outrage. I’m in one of the big districts here and the union has drawn the line from day one. I don’t believe they tried to get creative or had any intent to compromise. I’m not even sympathetic to the teachers anymore having seen many screeching on social media (including some I know personally) about how horrible it is that anyone would ever suggest they ‘risk their lives’ etc.

            Meanwhile the teachers at my son’s private preschool have soldiered through since last June, well before we even knew when/if there would be a vaccine. They adapted and worked through it. But what about the families who can’t afford what I can? They’ve been screwed and the union really has made itself the enemy of the citizens they’re supposed to serve. If abolishing it was put to a country referendum right now I’d vote yes.Report

            • InMD in reply to InMD says:

              *county not country.Report

            • Kazzy in reply to InMD says:

              “They’ve been screwed and the union really has made itself the enemy of the citizens they’re supposed to serve. If abolishing it was put to a country referendum right now I’d vote yes.”

              This is the reckoning I think may be coming. Or some form of it, at least.

              However, while there are undoubtedly teachers who are in lockstep with their unions, many are not. I don’t think it is as simple as private vs public.

              My suspicion is that as much as anything, the union saw this as an opportunity for leverage. And it blew up in their face.

              If the message from the start had been, “We want to be there for your kids. We see ourselves as essential workers. We know how important being in school with your children is. To deliver that, we need some combination of these mitigation factors to be in place so we can confidently due our job safely,” I think they’d have emerged as heroes. Instead, it was, “Nope… we’re not going back. We’re not essential workers. How dare you suggest we take on any risk! Here are the expectations for our return… they’re not impossible but pretty close.” Eventually they tried to pivot to that first message but the ship had sailed.

              This is a profession that for much of its existence had NOT been considered a profession at all… simply something some folks did because they had nothing else to do. We pushed to be seen as a true professional class. And we undid so much of that by saying, “Nope… not us… not essential workers.” Like… seriously?Report

        • Jaybird in reply to InMD says:

          I swear, they’re similar to police unions.

          It’s not that I’m opposed to some theoretical teacher union that put the interests of teachers first. Heaven forbid!

          It’s the actual ones that do things that you can point to that I am opposed to.Report

          • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

            I sympathize with unionization in the private sector even though I think its time has mostly passed in this country as an effective tool. Maybe that wouldn’t be so much the case if we made some other big policy changes including legit stopping illegal immigration but I digress.

            Public sector unions though? No clue what the case for those is at this point.Report

            • North in reply to InMD says:

              I’ve also struggled mightily with the general concept of public sector unions, I have to confess.Report

              • InMD in reply to North says:

                The best argument I could make is that they offer good, stable jobs with good stable benefits that can’t be cut or outsourced. To me that is a good in itself. We should always want people to do well, make a reasonable living, etc.

                But when they become vehicles to frustrate legitimate public interests? Well I think the public interest needs to be able to win out. More and more they seem to be an obstacle to that. It also serves to undermine faith in necessary public services, which in turn gives ammunition to arguments that those services should be eliminated entirely.Report

              • North in reply to InMD says:

                Yes and the problem is the public service job paradigm is stable across unionized and non-unionized public service jobs- they pay less than similar private sector jobs but they have excellent benefits and unmatched job security. So what exactly are public service unions adding except bad blood?

                The reality seems to be that the impulses in the private sector that unions counteract aren’t strongly present in the public sector. What is the value add in the public sector that unions contribute? Whatever it is we’re paying dearly for them in bad blood with the public.Report

      • Philip H in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        I read the article. And I note several things.

        The AFT – a national organization – is indeed a political lobby shop allegedly for teachers. It may be reflecting its member’s sentiments, it may not. The tell is what are local chapters in local school districts doing and saying? Kazzy gives us one example below, which I sense is more like the situation on the ground then what the AFT/CDC article suggests. If that’s so, the AFT’s interaction with the CD is not actually corrupting the situation.

        Teachers, collectively, are correct to question both the science and the politics, in as much as many of the things science knows to be helpful are not being done by cash strapped local school districts. Few districts are able (much less willing) to reconfigure air handlers and filtration to address what we know so far about airborne transmission mechanics. Few states mandated teachers to be on the initial vaccine lists as a high risk group, even though there has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth about the economic and social development dangers of NOT fully reopening schools. Even in states that have prioritized teachers for vaccinations, there was little requirement from their districts to actually get the shots, nor was there any incentive (pay bonus etc).

        Third, none of that has much to do with whether the Biden administration is making the right moves or not to get schools reopened fully where they remain closed.Report

        • Oscar Gordon in reply to Philip H says:

          Teachers, collectively, are correct to question both the science and the politics…

          Politics, sure. And the politics has been a frightful mess (I agree teachers should have been on the shortlist for vaccines, right up there with first responders and medical staff).

          The science – not really. Most teachers are not epidemiologists. Nor are they building engineers, or have any expertise in these fields. If teachers are correct to question the science of such things, so are any of the random chuckleheads out there.Report

          • Philip H in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

            Fine, let me amend – teachers are right to question the lack of implementation of science based political and policy responses to the pandemic, especially when the science of what is needed to be safe in their schools meets the lack of funding of public education and they are expected to return to classroom teaching absent those safeguards.Report

            • Oscar Gordon in reply to Philip H says:

              ‘science based responses’

              Hrmmm….

              He’s what I’ve been hearing.

              WA parents: We need to open schools.

              WA Teachers: We can’t, the school districts aren’t doing everything in their power to keep us safe, just look at the schools in MS.

              WA Parents: OK, sure, that’s fine. So what, specifically, has our school district been failing to do? We’ll get on them to get it fixed.

              WA Teachers: Well, if you look at these schools in MS…Report

              • Philip H in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

                interesting that you picked my state of current residency. Because the schools here have pretty much been opened all year – the public ones anyway. We are a deep Red state, at least for political power. we tried some alternative schedules, but those didn’t prevent massive and recurring out breaks at he middle and high school level – the high school next town over had a 2 week open 2 weeks fully quarantined, 2 weeks fully open round robin for almost the entire school year. Teachers were not prioritized for vaccines initially, and mask wearing down here is only vaguely a thing – though the ONLY Mask Mandate remaining in the state is in schools. No one knows how many teachers have been sickened or died because the state hasn’t kept those records. But teacher stress has been way up for most of the last year.

                So I can see WA teachers looking at our dire and dismissive straights, not seeing something 100% the opposite from their districts (especially east of the Cascades) and throwing their hands up in disgust.Report

              • Oscar Gordon in reply to Philip H says:

                I picked your state because A) it’s your state, and B) I heard those stories.

                Still, see Kazzy’s comment here: https://ordinary-times.com/2021/05/11/inflation-concerns-rising-with-goods-and-services-prices/#comment-3472946

                Because places like MS were held up as a reason to accept nothing less than the gold plated demands, even when the local district was doing everything they could within reason.Report

  6. Jaybird says:

    The gas thing is weird.

    If it spreads/persists, it’ll be a big problem.Report

    • InMD in reply to Jaybird says:

      I was told by a gas station attendant yesterday that they were not expecting to be resupplied until ‘this pipe situation is fixed, so fill up now!’ Hopefully it was just a ploy.Report

      • Michael Cain in reply to InMD says:

        The Colonial Pipeline operators say that they hope to substantially restore service by the end of the week. The Colonial delivers about half of the refined petroleum supply (eg, gasoline and diesel) to the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic areas.

        I’ll ask the same question I always do: Why is a critical infrastructure component the size of the Colonial Pipeline run by computers attached to the internet? This is not a complicated problem.Report

        • Oscar Gordon in reply to Michael Cain says:

          An air gap could have prevented this…Report

        • Philip H in reply to Michael Cain says:

          Because Americans – and American companies – believe we are exceptional, and so we don’t need to put these safeguards in place.Report

        • Dark Matter in reply to Michael Cain says:

          Why is a critical infrastructure component the size of the Colonial Pipeline run by computers attached to the internet?

          Absurd levels of convenience. You put the computer running the pipe off by itself.

          Ok, so it never needs to talk to another computer? If there’s a spill, you’re good with it taking a human to shut it down many hours after the spill has been detected? You never want your workers to work from home to check if the system is working?

          When that computer dies, and all computers die because the hardware dies, you’re good with it being a pretty manual process to start it up? Maybe taking days or weeks because both the software and hardware are stale?Report

        • JS in reply to Michael Cain says:

          “I’ll ask the same question I always do: Why is a critical infrastructure component the size of the Colonial Pipeline run by computers attached to the internet? ”

          Not a pipeline person, but at a guess: Flow sensors to detect leaks, blockages, and spillage automatically over the vast length of a pipeline.

          Pepper the thing with flow sensors and if there’s even a tiny drop in pressure, you can pinpoint it’s location and send a crew directly out. And if it’s got sensors, you can detect leaks when they’re small and not when some guy drives by and sees oil pooling across a field.

          Of course why it’s connected to the internet, as opposed to running a fiber line down the whole thing and simply passing data down from firmware? Cost. Cheaper to use the cell phone networks to transmit the data.

          Especially if you retrofit an old pipeline with more sensors, since running a line down a new pipeline as you lay it is a lot easier than digging up the whole thing.

          Edit: Also temperature sensors and a few other things. It’s nice to know when it’s on fire.Report

          • Oscar Gordon in reply to JS says:

            IIRC, the thing about Ransomware is that it requires a user to execute it somehow.

            Typically the user executes it via a bad webpage, or an email link/attachment.

            But ultimately, ransomware needs a user to do something, it can not just be remotely copied to the local disk and launched by a hacker.

            So perhaps the better question is not why is a critical C&C computer hooked up to the internet, but why does that computer allow a user to do anything other than the C&C functions it needs to do? A critical C&C computer should not have an email client installed, and a web browser should be locked down to only permit access to known ‘safe’ sites (intranet sites, or sites that might have information the operator of that computer needs to conduct the tasks the computer needs to do).

            Also, a C&C computer should be effectively swappable. If the hardware or software fails, IT should be able to walk over with a clean hard drive and reboot the whole thing in under 20 minutes.Report

            • Oscar Gordon in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              FYI back when I did IT facilities management, this is how I managed my machines. If a machine had a virus, we treated it like a drive failure, pulled the drive, installed a clean one, re-imaged the machine, and had it back up and running in 45 minutes (5 minutes to swap the drive, the rest for imaging).Report

            • InMD in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              I haven’t been reading the details on this but my guess is that they’ve been able to freeze something in actual databases or some sort of production environment and are holding for ransom. If that’s the case a machine swap out won’t matter. The biggest question of all is why they don’t have a disaster recovery program allowing them to switch over to a separate mirrored production environment to keep things running while they deal with DarkSide or whoever.Report

            • For a long time, all versions of Windows had a buggy piece of system software listening on a particular IP port. Using any number of pieces of software, someone could connect to that port, type random gibberish, and after 30 or so characters the system would crash (Blue Screen of Death). Microsoft eventually fixed it, but never did tell anyone why there was system software listening on that port.

              From time to time, there have been exploits where malformed IP packets would enable execution of a small piece of binary code included in the packet, which could download bigger hunks of code, eventually installing a complete package to do the things that viruses do. Fortunately, that’s a real rarity these days.

              Over the years, a disturbing number of attacks allowed loading arbitrary pieces of software into routers or printers, which then wrote stuff into the file system on network servers in places where the regular PCs would load and run it.

              The attacks that don’t require a user to do something are much scarier.Report

            • JS in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              “So perhaps the better question is not why is a critical C&C computer hooked up to the internet, but why does that computer allow a user to do anything other than the C&C functions it needs to do?”

              Well, anything from:

              1. Nobody pays for security until they’re nursing a burn, and only until it heals.
              2. Exploit/vulnerability that elevates access.
              3. Social engineering.

              This could be anything from someone exploiting a low-level vulnerability by injecting bad packets and using that to elevate privileges (I would guess through their own remote monitoring software access), to “we weren’t thinking about security when we set it up” to “someone found a USB and plugged it in”.

              Anyways, since it’s a ransom attack odds are they didn’t do the attack until they’d been certain to corrupt quite a bit of the backup software. If your DB’s and images are corrupted going back six months, you’re more likely to pay than if it’s just “unplug everything, fix the firewall, roll it all back a week”Report

              • Oscar Gordon in reply to JS says:

                1) Sad but true. When I implemented security on the facilities I took over, the whining I put up with for weeks… Although eventually everyone got used to the new state of affairs and learned that they could still function just fine, even if they could not install their favorite messaging app, or that pirated video game.Report

            • Dark Matter in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

              I seriously doubt it’s only one computer that failed here.

              They nail a computer, root it, and it has the ability to log into some other computer so it spreads and so on. They install their stuff, wait a few months so the most recent backups are also compromised, and there’s a magic date when it all freezes solid at the same time.

              Then you’re stuck trying to rebuild the entire network, and everything that was installed, all at once.Report

              • And there you’ve got my big fear: all sorts of infrastructure is rooted and preloaded, it’s just a matter of time.Report

              • Dark Matter in reply to Michael Cain says:

                From the point of view of the criminals, this was an epic failure. It got them on the front page of the newspaper and pissed off the US government. Raised their “threat” profile so they’ll get taken more seriously by law enforcement.

                We might be looking at the Lufthansa heist, i.e. a crime so unexpectedly successful that it becomes high profile. You can kind of see that in the statements they’re making.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_heistReport

              • Oscar Gordon in reply to Michael Cain says:

                Time to diff from the image that sits on a disk that never gets connected to the network. That is/was the benefit of having disk images sitting on CDs/DVDs, I had a source image if could diff against that could not be corrupted by a virus.

                We could do that today from a Blu-Ray, but I doubt anyone bothers. Still, if the issue is time bombs like this, it might need to be a standard practice.Report

          • Andrew Donaldson in reply to JS says:

            To your point, the new pipeline they are laying through WV has fiber optics and other self-contained comms built into it.Report