Opinion Piece from The Hechinger Report: New York City’s new middle school admissions will test white parents

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  1. James K says:

    I read the linked article and nowhere does it say what criteria they are going to be using instead of tests. My suspicion is that any criteria more subjective than testing will only create more scope for racism.Report

  2. Swami says:

    The linked article was a great example of pretzel logic heavily salted with confirmation bias.

    I wonder if we asked her to authentically voice an alternative explanation of the situation if she even could.Report

  3. Brandon Berg says:

    One has to wonder whether the test scores, which are too often correlated with race and class due to their cultural biases and the unequal prior academic opportunities that students have had,

    Objection! Facts not in evidence!

    “Cultural bias” being the cause of class and racial gaps in test scores is not even a hypothesis at this point, just a meme. It’s accepted as true not on the basis of the evidence, but purely on the basis of being the most ideologically palatable explanation.

    Furthermore, the claim that the low test scores are due to unequal prior academic opportunities is hard to square with the earlier claim that the schools these students are attending are, in fact, perfectly good schools.Report

  4. Damon says:

    I predict that the elite will continue to love living in a diverse city while they pay for private school for their kids….if they don’t leave the city due to covid.Report

  5. Chip Daniels says:

    Two thoughts:
    Yet another data point demonstrating how deeply embedded racism is in American culture, warping every institution and process.

    And the startling point which was not even remarked upon: That in America in the 21st century, a child’s future is determined by their test scores at age eight.

    By the age of eight, the child’s future life- Job opportunities, social status- is being foreclosed, with all the possible doors swinging shut and paths vanishing.

    Schools aren’t seen as a shared common good providing benefits to all of society, but a scarce and dwindling one, and our only policy choices are who gets a seat on the lifeboat, and who gets tossed overboard.

    And it is so ordinary and accepted, as to be barely worth a mention.Report

    • Brandon Berg in reply to Chip Daniels says:

      That in America in the 21st century, a child’s future is determined by their test scores at age eight*.

      *Not actually true. Your life isn’t over if you don’t get into a selective middle school. And getting into one doesn’t make you set for life. Parents believe that getting into selective primary and secondary schools matters a lot, but the evidence for this is pretty weak. See, for example, this study from the Minneapolis Fed (PDF):

      Using regression discontinuity design, we find no effect
      on test scores or college attendance for students from high- or lowSES neighborhoods and positive effects on student reports of their
      experiences. For students from low-SES neighborhoods, we estimate
      significant negative effects on rank in high school, grades, and the
      probability of attending a selective college.

      So in this study, the only positive effect they found from getting into a selective high school was having a more enjoyable high school experience, and it may actually have made lower-income students less likely to get into a selective university.Report

      • Brandon Berg in reply to Brandon Berg says:

        That’s not supposed to be a poem. I didn’t expect the comment processor to preserve the whitespace.Report

      • LeeEsq in reply to Brandon Berg says:

        Chip over states his point but a lot of brass ring jobs seemed in the private and public spheres seemed reserved for an ever restricted number of schools in each country.Report

        • InMD in reply to LeeEsq says:

          I think the core issue may be that people and policymakers put far more faith in what a ‘good school’ can do as an equalizer than is really merited. My suspicion has long been that the differences result more from congregation of households than anything actually happening within school walls. Yea, it’s exacerbated by the fact that public schools are paid for by property taxes but the real driver in diffetences in performance is what’s happening in the students’ homes.Report

        • Brandon Berg in reply to LeeEsq says:

          You’re talking about universities, though, aren’t you? Universities matter more, but according to the study I linked, getting into a selective high school doesn’t seem to help you get into a good university, and may actually hurt you. So it’s very doubtful that getting into a selective middle school matters very much at all for long-term life prospects.

          Well, there’s the galaxy-brain take, where getting into a selective middle school makes it harder to get into a selective high school, and thus ultimately helps you get into a selective university.Report

  6. LeeEsq says:

    This seems to be a bit of a troll post. The group that tends to protest these changes the loudest in New York are Asian parents because they believe getting rid of s system based on testing and grade scores screws their children more than that of any other group. Non-Asian liberals like to look over this but a lot of Asian-Americans believe that they will be the sacrifice if affirmative action passes. They won’t benefit from it and don’t have the connections to get around it. From what I can tell they are either told to be on the right side of history being enough or that their concerns are dismissed either as false consciousness they got from white conservatives or just that they don’t count.Report