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Em Carpenter

Em was one of those argumentative children who was sarcastically encouraged to become a lawyer, so she did. She is a proud life-long West Virginian, and, paradoxically, a liberal. In addition to writing about society, politics and culture, she enjoys cooking, podcasts, reading, and pretending to be a runner. She will correct your grammar. You can find her on Twitter.

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  1. Avatar Jaybird
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    He contacted some investors and raised the $700,000 needed to buy enough points to “purchase” the jet and sent in his order form to Pepsi.

    I assume that lawyer fees came out of the $700,000?

    I’m curious as to how much this stunt cost, all told.Report

  2. Avatar Oscar Gordon
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    WW4: I am shocked, SHOCKED I say, that Jenna Ellis is loose with the truth and barely competent. I can also see why she was hired by Trump, as that conforms to so many other people he hires.Report

  3. Avatar Kolohe
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    Ww1- in an alternate timeline, Judge Wood isn’t doing fun league theory cases in the 90s, but dealing with the fallout of Ruby Ridge & Waco as attorney general.Report

  4. Avatar LeeEsq
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    The Harrier jet case is covered a lot on the Internet because the facts are so interesting even to lay people. It wasn’t in my contracts class though. Maybe the Professor saw it too much as a court bailing out a company from its own stupidity rather than something teachable. I think business students find it more fascinating for the way that Leonard almost gamed Pepsi.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eurPvilaMCIReport

  5. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    We read the fur coat case and the carbolic smoke ball case in my Contracts class but not Harrier Jet. There is a part of me that feels like Pepsi was right and most people probably saw it as a joke. There is another part of me that sees it as a corporation successfully pleading to a judge to save it from its own mistakes.Report

  6. Avatar DensityDuck
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    See also: The lawsuit over whether Subway “footlongs” were indeed twelve inches long. (And despite urban legend, there was never an actual lawsuit over whether Oreo Double Stuf did indeed have twice as much filling as the standard cookie.)Report

  7. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    If I recall correctly, my very first comment at The League was to disagree with Erik about whether Mormons are Christians.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Mike Schilling
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      Was that in here?

      The blast from the past that I remember was this one:

      Do Mormons worship the same God as the Southern Babtists?

      The Mormons will tell you yes and the Southern Babtists will tell you no.

      (Granted, the Southern Babtists will say that about Northern Baptists as well.)

      Do Mormons worship the same God as the post-Protestant non-denominational Evangelicals? There’s, seriously, an argument over this.

      Do Protestants worship the same God as the Catholics? Well…

      Do Christians worship the same God as the Jews? The Christians will tell you, enthusiastically, yes. The Jews tend to change the subject when this comes up.

      Now, from here, it seems that it’s like arguing over whether this and that group of people believe in the same non-existent thing.

      I don’t know how that could be measured.

      How much of an effort does it take to make the serious argument that Thor and Zeus are the same in the essential ways that count?Report

      • Avatar Mike Schilling in reply to Jaybird
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        I think it was before that.

        BTW, my answer to “Do Christians worship the same God as the Jews?” is “Yes, plus a couple more.”Report

        • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Mike Schilling
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          There was a funny thread on twitter the other day that asked the question:

          The responses were pretty good.

          My favorites include two votes for heresy: Henricianism or Nestorianism and one pointing out that it was not a heresy and explaining that it is appropriate to focus on specific parts of Jesus’s life.Report

        • Avatar Michael Cain in reply to Mike Schilling
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          Completely random geek musings, just because…

          The State-of-the-Discussion commenter archive for you shows a first comment in 2012. However, that search uses your user id as a contributor. The post JB linked to has a comment from you — well, from “Mike Schilling” — from 2010. The coding for that comment indicates that it predates your user id, so is based on an email address.

          The current PHP — have I said anything bad about PHP lately? I must have gotten really lazy — for the commenter archive searches by either user id if it exists, or email address if the id doesn’t exist. Surely there is some way to get WordPress to do an “or” for both of them.

          I have other things I’m supposed to be doing, like a robot for the granddaughters to play with, and Barbies for balance. Why am I thinking about PHP?Report

      • Avatar J_A in reply to Jaybird
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        I recall a Rod Dreher post from several years ago about when Larycia Hawkins had to step down from Wheaton College for saying that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

        The majority of his small-o orthodox commenters were saying that absolutely not. Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. The God of Islam is a different God.

        Mind you,they were not arguing that Muslims were worshiping the one true God differently. They were not even arguing that they were worshipping God wrongly or defectively.

        They were arguing that Muslims were worshipping a completely different God that exists separately. For starters, Christian God has three persons while Muslim God has only one: “see, totally different Gods, no way it’s the same one.”

        I guess the 1st Commandment is optional as long as you have the correct understanding about gays that will make you a Dreher small-o orthodoxReport

        • Avatar Philip H in reply to J_A
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          Clearly Dreher and his small O following have never read the Quoran, where in Mohammed (Blest be the Prophet) makes it quite plain that the God of Islam is the God of Christianity and is the God of Judaism. Which was really geopolitically smart for a new religion in that time and era.Report

          • Avatar CJColucci in reply to Philip H
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            To be persnickety about it, the Quran just shows that Muhammad said that the God of Islam is the same entity worshipped by Jews and Christians. That is, as I understand it, the orthodox Muslim view.
            There is, of course, no ascertainable truth of the matter, so all anyone can do is report historical facts, trace relationships, and describe, more or less accurately, the claims of the contending parties.Report

        • Avatar Jaybird in reply to J_A
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          As someone who prefers Peter Gabriel Genesis to Phil Collins Genesis, I understand where the orthodox are coming from.Report

        • Avatar Pinky in reply to J_A
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          srsly?

          No Christian has ever said that Christians worship one God who exists and Muslims worship another God who exists. Ever ever ever ever ever.Report

        • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to J_A
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          I suppose you can make a good faith argument about the Trinity here. The idea that Jesus is the Son of/Incarnation of God on earth is a big part of Christianity. Naturally the other two monotheistic religions see this differnetly. So if you really believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God than Jews and Muslims by definition don’t worship the same God.Report

    • Avatar Chip Daniels in reply to Mike Schilling
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      “But why are all our gods such vicious c*nts? Why can’t we have a god of tits and wine?”

      Tyrion LannisterReport

  8. Avatar LeeEsq
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    WW6: One of the grounds that you can get asylum for in the United States is religious persecution. This leads to a big contentious point between the Circuit Courts and Immigration Courts on religious caess. Many Immigration Judges and Trial Attorneys, lawyers who represent DHS like asking religious doctrine questions to see if a person is really religious. They especially like asking this if a person says they are convert to a particular religion. The Circuit Courts hate this and basically think that people seeking asylum because of religious persecution should be taken at their word. Religious questions are seen as illegtimate doctrinal quizes, something that the Honorable Guido Calabresi said directly to a government lawyer at my first oral argument at the Circuit Courts.Report

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