All the President’s Myths

Michael Siegel

Michael Siegel is an astronomer living in Pennsylvania. He blogs at his own site, and has written a novel.

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  1. If you look at 20 different metrics, the odds are really good that you’ll find a 1-in-20 thing happening just by random luck.

    Because I’m that guy: if all 20 are independent, there’s about a 64% chance at least one of them will happen.Report

  2. Carl Schwent says:

    Obligatory XKCD reference (https://xkcd.com/2383/).
    And, as a bonus, http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations. I particularly like “Number of people who drowned falling into a pool correlates with Films Nicholas Cage appeared in.”Report

  3. Michael Cain says:

    And it will be used to push states like Georgia into making it harder to vote and almost impossible to vote absentee.

    Emphasis mine. The experience in the western states where ballot distribution by mail is the most regionally widespread suggests that it’s a one-way path: traditional absentee balloting; no-excuse absentee ballots; permanent no-excuse mail ballot lists; vote by mail. My expectation is that states that expanded mail ballot distribution this year will find it difficult to justify why they are making voting so much harder.Report

    • Oscar Gordon in reply to Michael Cain says:

      I love it so much that should I ever consider relocating again, vote by mail will be a top ten consideration.Report

    • And it will be used to push states like Georgia into making it harder to vote and almost impossible to vote absentee.

      They’re already talking about making signature-checking more stringent, i.e. tossing higher numbers of mail-in ballots.Report

      • We’ll see. 1.3M absentee ballots were cast in Georgia last month. Just over 1.0M have already been requested for the runoff elections. Maybe I’m wrong, but if I were a Georgia state legislator I’d at least think about it before I told a million-plus voters “I’m in favor of making it harder for you to vote.”Report

    • Stillwater in reply to Michael Cain says:

      My expectation is that states that expanded mail ballot distribution this year will find it difficult to justify why they are making voting so much harder.

      I hear ya, but this is overly optimistic. For at least the past decade the GOP has been on an overt crusade to limit the vote backed by the “will” of the people they represent or by subterfuge. And the justification in each case is the same: to make it harder for Democrats to vote. I think what the Trump years have demonstrated is that Republicans can engage in the most anti-Democratic behavior imaginable without consequence. They’ll keep getting elected. My guess is that partisan voter suppression will continue until conservatives stop supporting the GOP on election day.Report

      • Yeah, quite possibly optimistic. Living in a region where Arizona’s GOP installed a permanent absentee ballot list that grew to cover 80% of voters. Where Montana’s GOP did the same thing to cover 75% of voters. Where Colorado’s GOP did the same thing and after the Dems installed full vote by mail later, the GOP voters polled at 75% in favor of it. Where Utah’s GOP adopted full-on vote by mail.

        I am also known to say, “Sometimes I feel like I live in a different country.”Report

  4. Pinky says:

    I think we should probably stop thinking of Florida as a swing state. It’s tight, and I can understand why Democratic campaigns would target it. It’s got a Moneyball appeal. But it’s been pretty reliable for the Republicans, and is only getting moreso.

    As for Cicchetti’s analysis, I looked it over, and I don’t think his description was detailed enough for someone to recreate it. But I would have loved to have seen its predictive power for the 2016 election. There’s a principle in economics call the Lucas critique, which says basically that any model that’s very accurate for a given set of conditions will be less accurate for another set of conditions. Very few people predicted Georgia before November 2020, but very few predicted Michigan before November 2016.

    To me it comes down to this: the 2020 results could be explained by fraud, or by massive intense hatred of Trump. I’ve seen massive intense hatred of Trump for four years. That doesn’t disprove fraud, but it explains the results.

    And one side note. I could tell that the results on Election Night were going to be garbage, so even though I’m a political junkie, I didn’t watch a bit of it. I think that saved me. Minute-by-minute results really seem to have screwed people up.Report

    • North in reply to Pinky says:

      I agree. I haven’t staked hope in FL since 2020 (my first American Election!) I always assume it’ll go red and none of my surprises have never been unpleasant.

      I think that most honest political junkies knew that the picture we got on Election night would only tell us 1 thing: Wipeout Election or not. But for any election watcher tuning in 2 days later would have saved a lot of elevated blood pressure. The problem was for all the non-political junkie election watchers. To anyone who hadn’t been following the commentary and horserace reporting for up to a month ahead of time the election was very confusing but the political reporting was very up front that the nature of the voting this year would produce results that shifted and swung dramatically.Report

      • Mike Schilling in reply to North says:

        That was exacerbated by two things:

        1.Trump’s fulminations against mail-in voting, resulting in those votes skewing Democratic.
        2. The GOP-driven laws in many states that mail-in votes be counted late.

        I’d see this as a joint plot to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt if I thought they were that smart and able to coordinate their efforts.Report

      • Jaybird in reply to North says:

        The Democrats didn’t do a very good job of appealing to the LatinX community in Florida. They should have played up NAFTA more.Report

        • Stillwater in reply to Jaybird says:

          “Hey, we CARE about you folks. BTW did you know that referring to yourselves as “latinos” oppressively genderizes non binary members of your community?”Report

        • North in reply to Jaybird says:

          I don’t think that NAFTA would have moved the needle much with the Cuban and Venezuelan expats.Report

        • KenB in reply to Jaybird says:

          Biden had nothing to compete with this song.Report

        • J_A in reply to Jaybird says:

          As a person whose native language is Spanish, LatinX is one of the most stupid, most culturally insensitive, well meaning but totally clueless gringos have ever done. Way worse than Hawaiian Pizza or whatever the issue was with the sushi in Oberlin that triggered Rod Dreher a couple of years ago.

          Except for certain limited exceptions like cows and bulls, every group that includes members of more than one gender (there’s no upper limit to the number of genders in the group, as long as there’s more than one) is referred to using the male gender suffix. End of story. Anything else sounds stupid to us, probably because it is.

          We are not going to change our language to assuage the sensibilities of clueless Americans. If you want to honor the Latino culture and heritage, that’s great, go learn about it. If you want to change it so that it looks better to you, well that’s as imperialist as the things you were supposed to be fighting.

          [Excuse me, is there a place nearby where I can tie my high horse while I grab a coffee, pard’ner?]Report

          • Jaybird in reply to J_A says:

            We’ll get you using LatinX in your day to day language.

            If we have to pass an English Language Only law to do it, then that’s what we’ll do.

            And you will thank us.Report

          • Brandon Berg in reply to J_A says:

            Yeah, it’s mostly used by gringxs locxs.

            An important thing to understand here is that it’s not a racial politics word. It’s a gender politics word. Feminists don’t care that you don’t like it, because it’s for them, not for you. Rest assured that the words they’ve shoehorned into the English lexicon sound just as nutty to native English speakers as Latinx does to you.Report

          • KenB in reply to J_A says:

            It’s not clear to what extent gringos are to blame — the history is murky but seems to have been initially driven by certain “latinx-Americans” and promoted by the SJ left more broadly from there.

            My daughter is a social worker in NYC and works largely with Latino/a/e/x communities — she and many of her colleagues recognize the unsatisfactory nature of this word, but it’s so established as the correct term that everyone is basically powerless to change it. That’s culture for you.Report

          • CJColucci in reply to J_A says:

            I suppose it’s useful to know that in Spanish, just as in English, the “collective masculine” has been long entrenched. In English, we’re working toward some sort of convenient way around that for good reasons and “but it has always been this way” is not much of a reason not to do it. I assume that one of these days a similar thing will happen in Spanish. While the process is ongoing, there will be some awkwardness and some failed solutions. That’s just how language change works. Let’s all chill out.Report

            • Oscar Gordon in reply to CJColucci says:

              I suspect it is less about the change and more the appearance of a change being forcedimposed by people who are not native speakers of the language.Report

            • KenB in reply to CJColucci says:

              That’s just how language change works.

              This is overstating things — the vast majority of language change is organic and driven by the accumulation of subtle differences within a speech community. This sort of purposive, culturally-mandated change certainly happens from time to time (with varying degrees of success) but is far from the norm.Report

            • J_A in reply to CJColucci says:

              The problem is that, Latinx is a very special generic word created just for the purpose of encompassing Latinos of different genders.

              It doesn’t solve the “collective masculine” issue. A group of many gendered doctors is a group of “doctores”, just like a group exclusively male doctors. Likewise “cachorros” is a litter of mixed male and female puppies, or a litter of only male puppies. (*)

              Unless we start speaking of doctorx or cachorrx, we haven’t done really anything to solve the collective masculine noun issue in Spanish. It is very unlikely Latinx is going to get incorporated into Spanish, except as a frowned upon anglicism.

              (*) There has been initiatives to replace the collective masculine in Spanish with actually mentioning both genders. Hence “doctores y doctoras” (or “cachorros y cachorras”). Besides being clumsy and long winded, it also sounds demeaning of women, like they have to be added separately and specifically, because otherwise it would be assumed they are excluded -unless you specify that there are doctoras around, it s to be assumed only men can be doctors.

              Chávez was a big proponent of the naming both genders school, and all Venezuelan legislation since goes out of its way to specify both genders at every occasion. Imagine an electoral code that said:

              “Male voters and female voters should show their voting registration certificate to the male election clerk or the female election clerk before going to the voting booth. Voting registration certificates are issued by the state’s male Secretary of State or female Secretary of State”Report

              • CJColucci in reply to J_A says:

                LatinX may well not be the solution. I’m not advocating it myself, and generally use other expedients. But I put no great stock in my own practice. Then again, I’m not getting exercised about it. If LatinX catches on, fine. If it doesn’t, also fine. It’s not up to me, and I don’t want it to be.Report

          • Michael Cain in reply to J_A says:

            I have read that in different parts of the US, the “Latin” population prefers different things. I don’t recall the details of the size of the majorities. In Southern California and Arizona, the preferred term was “Mexican-American”. In Florida, “Latin-American”. In some other areas, “Hispanic”. All of them reflect where ancestors came from. All of them avoid the gender problem.

            I try to use Hispanic based on the language. And yes, because I had the benefit of a roommate in graduate school who grew up in California* speaking both English and Spanish, and was working on his PhD in linguistics, to know that some aspects of the language can change dramatically when you cross a border: “This is a fine phrase to use in Central American country A, but it’s a serious insult in country B.”

            * After both of us finished two years of graduate school in Texas we took three weeks off in California because who knew when we might get an extended vacation again. When I woke up hungry one of the first nights at his mom’s, I rummaged through the refrigerator and came up with flour tortillas and chili. I was heating a tortilla over a burner on the gas stove, flipping it bare-handed so it didn’t burn, before I smeared on the chili. I suddenly realized my roommate’s mom was standing in the doorway watching me. She said, “You are entirely too pale and butcher what little Spanish you speak too badly to know how to do that that well.”Report

    • Philip H in reply to Pinky says:

      To me it comes down to this: the 2020 results could be explained by fraud, or by massive intense hatred of Trump. I’ve seen massive intense hatred of Trump for four years. That doesn’t disprove fraud, but it explains the results.

      Given how down ballot races in Republican areas still went for Republicans, there’s really no way to call it fraud. Hell, Republicans GAINED seats in the House in a race their President lost. You’d think Democrats – if they were committing massive national fraud – would have done something about that.

      Were George T still here he’d no doubt be running on about how that constitutes a brilliant false flag operation from a senile President-elect who can’t articulate his words. I miss him sometimes . . . .Report