From Josh Hawley: Mastercard terminates use of its cards on Pornhub

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  1. Andrew Donaldson Andrew Donaldson
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    Just dropping in to annotate for the record that Hawley is a menaceReport

  2. Avatar Mike Schilling
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    Does Hawley really think that porn is unpopular with his constituents?Report

  3. Avatar Jaybird
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    Reason is, of course, against this.

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  4. Avatar greginak
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    This is an outrage. Clearly the election results must be overturned despite the vote totals so a True Freedom Lover stay prez. Hawley is really fighting for freedom here.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak
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      This is something that Mastercard and Visa, corporations, chose to do.Report

      • Avatar greginak in reply to Jaybird
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        Senator Hawley is out there protecting our freedom. It was his tweets in the post. His eye is on the ball.

        PH’s corporate owner could and likely will make a big effort to try to clean up the most egregious and possibly illegal stuff to get back in the graces of MC. It’s not like uploading porn is hard. Do they require proof of age ( through a credit card) to upload? Do they ask for consent forms for all the people in the vids or at least the really far out stuff?Report

        • Avatar KenB in reply to greginak
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          I think you misunderstood the tweets — Hawley is happy about this.Report

        • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak
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          Greg, I am pleased to say that I have no idea what the answers to your questions are.

          I see Mastercard saying “we don’t want to be used for purchasing certain products” as an obvious outcome of expecting corporations to police how their products get used in practice.

          This is a nice slope we’ve got here.

          Sure would be a tragedy if someone
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          • Avatar greginak in reply to Jaybird
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            Well my questions are +3 Questions of Doom, so i got that going for me. Logical fallacies are still craptastic arguments so nothing new there.

            Corps have had some legal liability, depending on the product, for how their products are used for a while. It’s not exactly new.

            PH can, should and likely will take action to correct this.Report

            • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak
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              We haven’t hammered out whether the slippery slope actually *IS* a fallacy.

              Even after PH can, should, and likely will take action to correct this, there is no obligation for Mastercard to allow itself to be used to purchase its wares.Report

  5. Avatar Saul Degraw
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    The New Republic on the dominionists playing the Times: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhubReport

    • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to Saul Degraw
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      There have been liberal and further left people that have been at least queasy about porn and other forms of commercial sex for a very long time. The main reason is that they see commercial sex has inherently exploitative and porn as degrading towards women. There are some elements of truth in their assertions but trying to get rid of porn and commercial sex entirely isn’t going to work as a solution, especially with distribution being easier than ever. Comstockery worked because the post offices were the only way to distribute porn in the past. These days not so much. So trying to totally eliminate commercial sex that much.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to LeeEsq
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        And, let’s face it, editorials like the one in the NYT make pr0n exceptionally unsympathetic and Visa/Mastercard can look like Decent Upstanding Corporations (rather than Usurers abusing the poor or what have you) by just saying “nah, you can’t use our lucre as middleman to buy that filth.”Report

      • Avatar InMD in reply to LeeEsq
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        Americans have a cultural tendency to turn these issues into bizarre gothic fairy tales. The author of the New Republic piece Saul linked to makes a good point about the incentives in the gig economy combined with social media’s monetization strategy. Buried somewhere in all this is probably a good case for harm reduction rules that keep it all safe and ensure the participants are paid. But why do that when you can find the most lurid examples of corporate tech sliminess to get both the Christianists and carceral feminists all hot and bothered about their long term crusades?Report

        • Avatar Brandon Berg in reply to InMD
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          carceral feminists

          Of or pertaining to imprisonment or a prison?Report

        • Avatar LeeEsq in reply to InMD
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          Americans might have this tendency worse than other developed nations but I don’t think these tensions are unique to the United States. A lot of it comes from the tension that second wave feminism was rebelling against both the traditional controls that society placed on female sexuality and that it wanted women to be pretty sexy help and bedmates for men. There is a certain tension in combatting both these things because women expressing their sexuality are going to naturally attract a lot of heterosexual male attention.

          I also feel that a lot of people really can’t understand why somebody would go into commercial sex work for a living. Not everybody does it out of desperation, although many do or through coercion, but at least in the porn industry there seems to be many people who do it voluntarily. So naturally there is an inability to understand happening here.Report

  6. Avatar DensityDuck
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    oh, so this is yet another one of those things where the people running the website could’ve made good-faith efforts to deal with the problem, but decided to just…not do that, because it was hard, and now We Can’t Have Nice Things.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to DensityDuck
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      This is one of those stories that has been bubbling up every four months or so. Here’s something from April (and I’m pretty sure that effort would result in stuff from 2019 and 2018):

      Report

      • Avatar InMD in reply to Jaybird
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        This person is mentioned in the article Saul linked to. Her title is ‘Director of Abolition’ at Exodus Cry a ‘faith-based organization… that fights sexual exploitation and the sex industry.’

        You don’t have to be in love with PornHub (or have some body part that is) to wonder about her credibility, or whether what she’s reporting is accurate or misleading. This is getting into the 700 Club reporting on heavy metal music territory.Report

        • Avatar Jaybird in reply to InMD
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          I’m more than willing to say that Lalia is a horrible person.

          That said, I used her tweet not because I thought that she was a good person but because I wanted people to look at the thing that she was pointing at.Report

          • Avatar InMD in reply to Jaybird
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            Fair enough. And to be clear I don’t know that she’s a horrible person. Hell I don’t know that I think the 700 club or the Christian conservatives who bought into the Satanic abuse panics back in the day were horrible people. I do question their ability to paint a reliable picture of reality, particularly when it comes to the issues in question.Report

  7. Avatar Chip Daniels
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    Misthreaded comment.Report

  8. Avatar Michael Siegel
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    This will do nothing to help exploited kids. It will do everything to screw over sex workers and consenting adults. One thinks this is the point.Report

  9. Avatar gabriel conroy
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    Believe it or not, I’m behind the times. I’m ill-informed enough not to know until I read the comments to this OP that Mr. Hawley is a US senator. I thought (and still think) Pornhub is pretty much what its name sounds like.

    Therefore, I expected the discussion to be about whether a credit card company should rescind its services for a porn site. Or why it might do so–presumably because (I imagine) children might be exploited.

    I realize now this is primarily about Mr.Hawley’s politics. And to read (most of) the comments, I’m to criticize Mastercard for its decision because Mr. Hawley supports the decision.

    To be sure, not all comments here fall into that line. But the general gist of the thread does.Report

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