NASCAR Bans Confederate Flags


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar veronica d says:

    This is clearly a good thing they should have done ages ago.

    That said, it seems as if it might distract people from the issue of police brutality.Report

    • Avatar Oscar Gordon in reply to veronica d says:

      The people that it will piss off are largely the people that are OK with police brutality (as long as it doesn’t touch them).Report

      • Avatar veronica d in reply to Oscar Gordon says:

        No doubt. And indeed, I don’t mind seeing those people made angry. The whole “die mad about it” is a lovely thing.

        I guess the issue is this: I can be as petty as anyone, but I at least recognize when I’m being petty. I want more than that though.

        Anyway, pissing off bigots is not the real goal, not long term. The goal is justice. Angering bigots will not on it’s own produce justice. Moreover, justice requires more than symbolic change. There needs to be substance.Report

        • Avatar Truth in reply to veronica d says:

          The meltdowns from racist confederates outing themselves on NASCAR’s facebook page are simultaneously delicious to read and terrifying in their number.Report

          • Avatar MacHern in reply to Truth says:

            “Racist confederates” is a misnomer. There are confederates (people who believe in the supremacy of states’ rights) who are not racist. And there are racists (those who believe in the supremacy of one race) who are not confederates. You need to do a better job sifting the wheat from the chaff.Report

            • Avatar Truth in reply to MacHern says:

              If you are unable to grasp how continuing allegiance to a secession attempt whose “corner-stone” was racism is inherently racist, or how the “supremacy of states’ rights” cry is inseparable from racist dog whistling, you may need to be updated on history.

              The fact that there are racists who are not confederates is precisely why I made the point to use the terming “racist confederates” to describe those who are melting down on NASCAR’s facebook page.


            • Avatar Truth in reply to MacHern says:

              “You start out in 1954 by saying, “N[redacted], n[redacted], n[redacted].” By 1968 you can’t say “n[redacted]”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff,”

              And this is precisely what Reagan did in 1980 at Neshoba County Fair, standing on the graves of murdered civil rights workers while shouting “states’ rights”.


            • Avatar veronica d in reply to MacHern says:

              When I was a kid on the 70s, born in Atlanta, I didn’t really know anything. My friends and I thought the rebel flag was cool, cuz rebellion was cool. So was getting in fistfights. So were skateboards and punk rock. Over the decades we grew up and realized what that flag meant.

              I still like punk rock and skateboards, although I’m way too old to participate much myself. The rebel flag, however, is racist as shit.

              We all know what it mean, so miss me with that bullshit.Report

        • Avatar MacHern in reply to veronica d says:

          Agreed, and we are getting 0% substance on this racial justice question from BLM and other African-American leaders. No substance, no change. An ideal moment where both blacks and whites are united in outrage, practically wasted.Report

          • Avatar Truth in reply to MacHern says:

            If you believe the problem is a lack of substance from BLM leaders and other civil rights advocates, what you’re actually telling us is that you refuse to listen and become informed.Report

  2. Avatar Marchmaine says:

    Starting to get that feeling where protesting, rioting, and maybe a burgeoning interest in broader Police Reforms settles for a corporate marketing repositioning event.Report

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