Cuomo, Rudy, and Ukraine, Oh My


Andrew Donaldson

Born and raised in West Virginia, Andrew has since lived and traveled around the world several times over. Though frequently writing about politics out of a sense of duty and love of country, most of the time he would prefer discussions on history, culture, occasionally nerding on aviation, and his amateur foodie tendencies. He can usually be found misspelling/misusing words on Twitter @four4thefire and his writing website

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  1. Avatar Jaybird says:

    I saw an interesting take on this that said that this one might have legs because it’s Trump doing something behind closed doors.

    If Trump calls for Russia to release Hillary’s emails in a speech? No problem. Hey, it’s funny.
    If Trump calls for Russia to release Hillary’s emails in a private phone call? EVERYBODY FREAK OUT.

    So this one might have legs.Report

    • Avatar Philip H in reply to Jaybird says:

      And add in the reporting of a senior intel whistleblower being quashed after the DNI’s IG said Congressional notification should be triggered and you may have something.Report

  2. Avatar Chip Daniels says:

    Opening scene, remake of A Few Good Men:

    “Col. Jessup, did you order a Code Red?”

    “I did not, and you’re damn right I did!”

    End Scene

  3. Avatar greginak says:

    Life is so sped up now for us old folks. We were supposed to have a week of “GAH FAKE NEWS THE MEDIA LIES” bull squat before trumpkins say “well yeah of course we did and we would do it again. Laws…shmaws. What’s yur problem” I yearn for the blissful slowness and peace of two years ago.Report

    • Avatar dragonfrog in reply to greginak says:

      If you’re going to get to “term limits are for suckers and anyone suggesting Trump step down is unpatriotic” far enough in advance to make sure there no meaningful 2024 Republican primaries, you have to keep a foot on the gas.Report

  4. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Trump and Co are doing all sorts of trial balloons to see what they can get away with. There was also this gem but I guess the real threat to academic freedom is still a 20-year old Oberlin sophomore with a sense of hyperbole:

  5. Avatar Aaron David says:

    Considering the media has spent the last three years pooping the bed over Trump, gathering up said poop to make a mountain of it, and then smearing said poop all over themselves (looking at you NYT), I am content roll my eyes at this. Could there be something? Sure, but at this point, I will place my bet on the pass line.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Aaron David says:

      I don’t know how to read this.

      Is Trump taunting the press and saying “you won’t throw me into the briar patch!” because he thinks they’re genre savvy?

      Or is he genre savvy and thinks they’re not?

      Or what?

      I’m so confused.


    • Avatar Chip Daniels in reply to Aaron David says:

      Trump is accused of trying to force Ukraine to dig up dirt on political opponents:
      Trump fans: Hmm, I’m not seeing any evidence;

      Trump’s personal lawyer: “I leaned on Ukraine to force them to dig up dirt on my political opponents”;
      Trump fans: Hmm, just not seeing it;

      Trump: One autographed book, “Russian Penis Enlarger 3000, Or, How I Leaned On Ukraine To Force Them To Dig Up Dirt On My Political Opponents- It Is My Bag, Baby”Report

    • Avatar greginak in reply to Aaron David says:

      Hmmm maybe there should be a report hundreds of pages long showing exactly what we know about the investigation. People, could like you know, read the report to see exactly how much corruption happened and even tally a scorecard on the things the “media” got right and wrong. Short answer: plenty of both. But if only the actual substance was there in an official report………(wistful)….if only….Report

  6. Avatar Saul Degraw says:

    Eight calls to the President of the Ukraine for dirt on Biden’s son. Eight times.

    But it owns the libs so people will defend it here.Report

    • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      But it owns the libs so people will defend it here.

      Any minute now…Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to Jaybird says:

        Anyway, here is the contact info for Nancy Pelosi (you need to verify that you’re in her district) and I recommend that all people who are in her district contact her and DEMAND that she start impeachment proceedings.

        If you live near Washington DC, I urge you to participate in sit-ins at her office. If you can only go for a couple hours, take some bottled water with you and share with the people who can be there longer! Hold their place for them while they go off to use the john.Report

        • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird says:

          Wouldn’t you say that pressuring republicans for impeachment would be the more sensible course of action? If any significant fraction of the GOP were to call for impeachment Pelosi would put it into motion in no time flat.

          As long as the GOP is united in support of Trump; pressuring Pelosi is simply advocating for banging her head against a wall; no surprise she would decline.Report

          • Avatar Jaybird in reply to North says:

            Republicans don’t control the House.Report

            • Avatar Stillwater in reply to Jaybird says:


              Angry Democrat in 2021: “Look, it’s not our fault Trump didn’t get impeached in his first term, it’s Mitch McConnell’s fault.”Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Stillwater says:


                Angry Democrat in 2021: “Damn that impeachment drive and subsequent acquittal sure helped push Trump over the edge in 2020. Kinda like it boosted Clinton back in the 90’s. Who’da seen that coming? “Report

              • Avatar Stillwater in reply to North says:

                Clinton had very high favorables and was charged with lying about a blowjob

                Trump has very low favorables and is charged with (eg) attempting to extort a foreign government for personal political favors.

                I mean, I realize we’re just banging heads on this issue at this point, but it’s entirely obvious to me that there’s no downside risk to aggressively investigating Trump via House impeachment powers whereas there’s massive downside risk to not impeaching and being viewed (correctly, in my view) as complicit in Trump’s corruption.Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Stillwater says:

                Yeah, I mean at the fundamental level we’re disagreeing on the risks. I see massive downside risk to proceeding and failing with impeachment in both republican turnout factor, the value of an “I was acquitted in the Senate” message to low info voters and swing voter disenchantment with pushing forward without a smoking gun. I don’t think there’s an easy way to tell which one of us has taken the correct temperature of the electorate on this.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater in reply to North says:

                The massive downside risk I see isn’t just limited to this election cycle North. Failing to impeach Trump is something the party will have to live with, and live down, for at least a generation.Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Stillwater says:

                It’s a two party system. If failing to impeach him will be that big a burden in the long run then electing him and affirmatively supporting him will be a hundred times worse.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater in reply to North says:

                A hundred times worse for who? The people who elected him? (???)

                That makes no sense.Report

              • Avatar North in reply to Stillwater says:

                For the GOP, there’re only two parties dude.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater in reply to Stillwater says:

                Elizabeth Warren tweets:

                After the Mueller report, Congress had a duty to begin impeachment. By failing to act, Congress is complicit in Trump’s latest attempt to solicit foreign interference to aid him in US elections. Do your constitutional duty and impeach the president.

                She gets it.Report

              • Avatar George Turner in reply to Stillwater says:

                No she doesn’t. She has no idea what she’s just stepped into, nor does most of the press.

                Trump was trying to get a foreign government to investigate their end of corruption involving a top US government official. Biden certainly did use his power (and an open threat to withhold $1 billion in US aid) if their government went ahead and investigated that US corruption.

                Trump is telling them to keep on investigating, while the Democrats are telling them to cover it all up. Trump’s conned the Democrats into demanding a cover up of foreign collusion and the corruption and bribery of US officials.

                Trump has placed them in a kill box, and he’s going to enjoy the heck out of this. The beautiful part is that he’d look bad if he went after Biden, so he’s using his Sharpie to make the press do all the dirty work because they’re like a cat chasing a laser dot.

                They’re all going to reflexively fire at a Trump poster without realizing that Biden was standing right behind it.

                Sure, he could do as his advisers want and release his phone transcripts, but he’s going to let the Democrats build it all up to a 24/7 scream fest so that absolutely nobody misses what happens.Report

              • Avatar Stillwater in reply to George Turner says:

                Why should Warren be concerned about the press hitting Hunter Biden?Report

              • Avatar Marchmaine in reply to Stillwater says:

                Right… I think she picks up a few points.

                Hunter Biden as the background son of Presidential contender is one thing, but spotlight on Hunter Biden as part of Impeachment proceedings? Hunter Biden doesn’t stand up to that kind of scrutiny. Not well, anyhow.

                Pair him with the Heinz scion and you’ve got a Bernie/Warren shishkabob of unearned privilege… even if its all “legal” its gonna stink.Report

              • Avatar Chip Daniels in reply to George Turner says:


                From Chait’s article:

                “We have known since last spring that Trump, working through Giuliani, is pressuring Ukraine to supply dirt on Joe Biden. The alleged misconduct by Biden concerns his work as vice-president under the Obama administration. The allegation is that Biden supposedly tried to sack a Ukrainian prosecutor who was probing his son’s business in the country. The allegation against Biden is totally baseless.
                In fact, as Bloomberg News discovered, the prosecution was finished before Biden took a stance, the prosecutor was widely considered corrupt, his sacking was consistent with the administration’s pro-democracy agenda, and the Obama administration supported the investigation into Hunter Biden anyway.”Report

            • Avatar North in reply to Jaybird says:

              Republicans control the Senate. How may GOP Senators saying “Impeachment should commence” would it take to get Pelosi to move? My guess: around 2.Report

          • Avatar George Turner in reply to North says:

            I don’t know that they can impeach Biden before he has even won the election, but perhaps impeachment is similar to indicting a ham sandwich.

            In any event, impeachment should definitely be on the table because threatening Ukrainian officials to protect his son’s corrupt business deal (a deal which wouldn’t have existed if Obama hadn’t put Biden in charge of our Ukraine policy) is certainly outside the bounds, as would be his son flying over to China on Air Force Two and coming back with a billion dollar private equity deal with the Chinese government. I’m pretty sure the Chinese government doesn’t hand cash and important board positions to every random American battling infidelity, alcoholism, and drug abuse, so something fishy was definitely going on.Report

            • Avatar North in reply to George Turner says:

              No doubt he stopped at Comet Ping Pong pizza to drop off the child prostitutes he was smuggling and helped expedite the assassination of Vince Foster while he was at it. At last, George, you have uncovered the true mastermind behind HRC’s eeeevils; Biden!Report

          • Avatar Stillwater in reply to North says:

            As long as the GOP is united in support of Trump; pressuring Pelosi is simply advocating for banging her head against a wall; no surprise she would decline.

            Compare the above to: As long as the GOP controls the Senate passing bills out of the house is just banging her head against a wall; no surpise she would decline.

            There’s only one thing the Dem House can do right now that will have an effect on politics and policy: formally open an impeachment inquiry into Trump and his cohorts. The alternative – focusing on their legislative agenda – is not only just banging their heads against a wall, it’s fiddling while rome burns.

            Or shorter: every time Pelosi refuses to open an impeachment inquiry the Dems chances of winning in 2020 go down.Report

    • Avatar Chip Daniels in reply to Saul Degraw says:

      “But it owns the libs so people will defend it here.”

      Not just here;
      The entire Murdoch/ Fox News wurlitzer will defend it to the death.

      And more importantly, every Republican Senator will shrug it off and the Justice Department will be brought to heel.

      The Republic can withstand a lawless Executive or corrupt Justice or two;
      But the system can’t withstand both a corrupt executive and a corrupted judiciary, and corrupted Senate all at the same time.Report

  7. Avatar Jaybird says:

    CNN reports:

    The whistleblower didn’t have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower’s concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration’s determination that the complaint didn’t fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.


    • Avatar greginak in reply to Jaybird says:

      Well i guess it’s a good thing Trump and Guilianni didn’t, very subtlety and calmly of course as is their style, admit to repeatedly asking Ukraine to investigate a potential opponent. So move along nothing to see here.Report

      • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak says:

        Fair enough. You changed my mind. Pelosi needs to call up articles of impeachment first thing when business opens Monday morning.

        Here’s her office’s phone number: (202) 225-4965Report

        • Avatar greginak in reply to Jaybird says:

          Yeah she should.Report

          • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak says:

            Are you going to call her?

            Or just hope that enough other people do?Report

            • Avatar greginak in reply to Jaybird says:

              Why do you assume i haven’t already called or made my opinion known? But i have to admit your mastery of the recent admissions by trump and Gules has learnt me but good. Yet you still stay on brand with haranguing the wrong thinkers no matter what matter what Trump does. That is good fire discipline.Report

              • Avatar Jaybird in reply to greginak says:

                Because it’s always pretty much safe to assume that someone has not called Nancy Pelosi.

                “Or made my opinion known”

                Hey! You’re making your opinion known here in these comments! Awesome.

                (*DID* you call Pelosi’s office, by the by?)

                Yet you still stay on brand with haranguing the wrong thinkers no matter what matter what Trump does.

                Greg, the person who decides whether or not we Impeach Trump is not Team Evil. It’s Team Good. Team Good has to start the ball rolling here.Report

  8. Avatar Chip Daniels says:

    Actually, it does seem as if the ground is shifting here in favor of impeachment.

    Here is a good website that Let’s you find your Congressperson and press them on the issue.

  9. Avatar Jaybird says:

    Good news!


    • Avatar Marchmaine in reply to Jaybird says:

      My unsolicited advise to House Democrats:

      Impeach the President, not Trump.
      Define the Power abused, not the law transgressed.
      Make the case that Congress is circumscribing Presidential Power, and that this is about defining limits for all future Presidents… and not because Trump is unique or especially bad.

      You can build consensus around this if done with the intent of reigning in Presidential Powers.

      I’ll say right now that while this seems easy, I’m not sure it is.Report

  10. Avatar Jaybird says:

    Right wing pollster Nate Silver has weighed in:


    • Avatar Stillwater in reply to Jaybird says:

      One of the weirdest things about Silver is that he’s quietly moved from stats analyst to pure punditry without anyone having noticed. Even weirder is that he thinks he’s good at it, but maybe the bar is so low he’s right to think so.Report

  11. Avatar Jaybird says:

    If you’re not following Trumwill on the twitters, you’re missing out:


  12. Avatar aaron david says:

    This whole time I was wondering, “What Would Avenatti say? And, like magic, he appears!

  13. Avatar Jaybird says:

    From the sharpest political mind on Twitter: